(05-20-2014 10:07 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  If BYU is able to make the Big 12 jump it's likely they take one lucky AAC team with them.

Possibly, but there would still be a possibility for BYU to want SDSU as its Western travel partner; particularly if it was a football only invite.

BYU preference - IMO

1. All Sport invite to BIG XII (not sure if this works due to no play on Sunday's - for football it doesn't matter)

2. Football only to BIG XII with travel partner (SDSU BIG XII/WCC)

3. BYU and SDSU to AAC/WCC

I don't think BYU wants to be in the MWC ever again; maybe a new conference of the best of the MWC/AAC/leftovers of BIG XII after more realignment chaos.

http://www.cougarboard.com/board/message...d=12426268

Byu, sdsu, unlv, and afa additions would instantly put the aac back and above old big east standards for fall and put the aac back in top 1-3 talk as a ball conference. Remember the aac adds WERE NOT fball powers. They were actually bball adds disguised as fball adds

(05-20-2014 10:10 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 09:54 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  I can see BYU finally making the decision to join the Big 12. It solves all of their problems. Otherwise it's the MWC IMO.

Making the decision to join the Big12? That's all well and good... if there's an invite; But the B12 saw BYU as a less appealing option than TCU, so to assume they'd add them solely on their merits as a singular addition is dicey.

As for the MWC, THOSE ARE THE TEAMS THAT BYU SPLIT FROM, in forming the original MWC. I doubt they will go there.

I'm ... Homer made a sensible post.

Sorry. I meant the acc adds were bball adds disguised as fball adds.lol

(05-20-2014 01:08 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 10:07 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  If BYU is able to make the Big 12 jump it's likely they take one lucky AAC team with them.

Possibly, but there would still be a possibility for BYU to want SDSU as its Western travel partner; particularly if it was a football only invite.

On what planet is San Diego a "travelling" partner for BYU? They are ten hours away. And, BYU would not be in a position, if they did get an invite, the make demands on a 12th team anyway.

(05-20-2014 10:57 AM)Tigersmoke Wrote:  The big 12 is not going to look back at byu sorry. The aac is byu's best option, also I would take them as a full member along with sdsu, unlv, afa. Then call it a day and look for a new contract. Wouldn't that big of a change start new contract negotiations?

The problem with this scenario is that Aresco floated this East - West national conference model to TV execs and it didn't entice any of the networks to feel like they needed to overpay for our TV rights. That was why Boise backed out of the deal and the other rumored programs to complete the western wing of the conference were on holding pattern.

The question still remains, why would adding more teams compel ESPN to voluntarily pay more? It's not like the AAC has done anything on the field football wise....yet? I could perhaps see a modest bump of perhaps an addition $1 to $1.5 million per team....but when competing against the B1G, ACC, SEC and B12 that all bring in greater than $20-million per team....it really doesn't make a difference or close the gap.

I like the idea from a football point of view of having a true eastern vs true Western teams face off for the conference championship...but unless it's tied to an automatic access bowl that pays at the same level as other conferences...I am not sure that it's worth the effort and futher dilution of our TV contract. Moreover, the new western wing would likely want assurances from other programs through a GOR....which I doubt any teams in the current AAC with P5 aspirations are going to sign.

My $0.02

(05-20-2014 01:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 10:10 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 09:54 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  I can see BYU finally making the decision to join the Big 12. It solves all of their problems. Otherwise it's the MWC IMO.

Making the decision to join the Big12? That's all well and good... if there's an invite; But the B12 saw BYU as a less appealing option than TCU, so to assume they'd add them solely on their merits as a singular addition is dicey.

As for the MWC, THOSE ARE THE TEAMS THAT BYU SPLIT FROM, in forming the original MWC. I doubt they will go there.

I'm ... Homer made a sensible post.

Wasn't the choice of TCU over BYU based more on the fact that TCU was already transitioning from the MWC to the BE and were therefore available to join the Big12 that year? The Big12 was desperate for a team immediately.

(05-20-2014 01:28 PM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  Wasn't the choice of TCU over BYU based more on the fact that TCU was already transitioning from the MWC to the BE and were therefore available to join the Big12 that year? The Big12 was desperate for a team immediately.

Never heard that. If anything that was just more red tape. I expect their history with the other Texas schools was far more of a factor.

Based on the quote from the article “During the haze of conference realignment, the Big 12 did not invite BYU -- in part -- because of concerns about geography. The league had just lost Colorado to the Pac-12 and Big 12 members would have been flying farther west to get to BYU.” Why would all of a sudden because BYU needs a conference home would the individual universities in the Big 12 change their stance on traveling to BYU? I don’t think BYU has as many options as people on these boards tend to think. If the Big 12 wanted BYU (or anyone else) they would be in that conference already. If the Big 12 felt they were going to need 12 for a conference championship game they would have 12 by now.

BYU is facing what some of the other programs like UConn, Cincy, USF, Boise ect have been forced to face, in the conference realignment game of musical chairs the music unfortunately has stopped and they are left standing.

BYU has 3 choices, go to the MWC, align themselves with new institutions and new geography in the AAC, or stay independent and deal with the increased struggles with scheduling and bowl access.

(05-20-2014 01:08 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 10:07 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  If BYU is able to make the Big 12 jump it's likely they take one lucky AAC team with them.

Possibly, but there would still be a possibility for BYU to want SDSU as its Western travel partner; particularly if it was a football only invite.

BYU preference - IMO

1. All Sport invite to BIG XII (not sure if this works due to no play on Sunday's - for football it doesn't matter)

2. Football only to BIG XII with travel partner (SDSU BIG XII/WCC)

3. BYU and SDSU to AAC/WCC

I don't think BYU wants to be in the MWC ever again; maybe a new conference of the best of the MWC/AAC/leftovers of BIG XII after more realignment chaos.

http://www.cougarboard.com/board/message...d=12426268

The WCC is not an option

"Eventually, with the 2010 realignment opening up new avenues for expansion, the WCC decided to revisit expansion plans. The conference decided that it would only seek out private schools, but would not limit its search to faith-based institutions"

(05-20-2014 01:25 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 10:57 AM)Tigersmoke Wrote:  The big 12 is not going to look back at byu sorry. The aac is byu's best option, also I would take them as a full member along with sdsu, unlv, afa. Then call it a day and look for a new contract. Wouldn't that big of a change start new contract negotiations?

The problem with this scenario is that Aresco floated this East - West national conference model to TV execs and it didn't entice any of the networks to feel like they needed to overpay for our TV rights. That was why Boise backed out of the deal and the other rumored programs to complete the western wing of the conference were on holding pattern.

The question still remains, why would adding more teams compel ESPN to voluntarily pay more? It's not like the AAC has done anything on the field football wise....yet? I could perhaps see a modest bump of perhaps an addition $1 to $1.5 million per team....but when competing against the B1G, ACC, SEC and B12 that all bring in greater than $20-million per team....it really doesn't make a difference or close the gap.

I like the idea from a football point of view of having a true eastern vs true Western teams face off for the conference championship...but unless it's tied to an automatic access bowl that pays at the same level as other conferences...I am not sure that it's worth the effort and futher dilution of our TV contract. Moreover, the new western wing would likely want assurances from other programs through a GOR....which I doubt any teams in the current AAC with P5 aspirations are going to sign.

My $0.02

The national conference is just the best option of a bunch of crappy options. G5 life sucks. Bottom line for me---I have do desire to get the CUSA band back together---which is effectively the only other real option for a raided AAC. I'd rather SMU, Houston, and Tulsa go to the MW with BYU if the only other option is a reconstituted CUSA. Now if a national G5 conference is an option---Im all for that one.

Is a national G5 conference going to compete on an even plane with the P5? Of course not. Can a national G5 conference carve out a niche as the most popular, most successful, most dominant, most watched G5 conference? Yes, I think it can. And as the most watched G5 that is recognized and is of passing interest in every major corner of the entire country---it's pay would likely lie well above the other G5's, yet well below the P5's. If each school in the national G5 conference is making around half what a P5 school makes, then the G5 national conference would be a grand slam homerun success in my view. There is a reasonable chance a national G5 conference can accomplish that. There is zero chance that a reconstituted CUSA will come anywhere close to that level of success---ZERO CHANCE.

(05-20-2014 01:46 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 01:28 PM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  Wasn't the choice of TCU over BYU based more on the fact that TCU was already transitioning from the MWC to the BE and were therefore available to join the Big12 that year? The Big12 was desperate for a team immediately.

Never heard that. If anything that was just more red tape. I expect their history with the other Texas schools was far more of a factor.

No the immediate availability, current profile, AND Texas location (to replace the departed A&M) were numbers 1, 2, and 3 and not necessarily in that order. The history with Texas, Baylor, and Texas Tech really wasn't an issue, at least not a major one.

I think the conference Championship game rules will be what decides B12 expands. If the NCAA approves it to Ten teams then I predict they stay pat. I just have a hard time seeing the other P5 conferences that had to expand to get the game be willing to let it fall under 12. I may be wrong but aren't there two proposals, ACC and B12? Or is it a joint proposal?

No just one, to allow conferences the autonomy to determine their own champion

(05-20-2014 01:28 PM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 01:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 10:10 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 09:54 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  I can see BYU finally making the decision to join the Big 12. It solves all of their problems. Otherwise it's the MWC IMO.

Making the decision to join the Big12? That's all well and good... if there's an invite; But the B12 saw BYU as a less appealing option than TCU, so to assume they'd add them solely on their merits as a singular addition is dicey.

As for the MWC, THOSE ARE THE TEAMS THAT BYU SPLIT FROM, in forming the original MWC. I doubt they will go there.

I'm ... Homer made a sensible post.

Wasn't the choice of TCU over BYU based more on the fact that TCU was already transitioning from the MWC to the BE and were therefore available to join the Big12 that year? The Big12 was desperate for a team immediately.

I thought it was two reasons: First, TCU was a very comfortable regional/cultural fit, having long ties to Big 12 schools, and second, their status as a "hot" football program after having gone to the Fiesta and Rose Bowls in back to back years.

At that time, the Big 12 didn't just need a team immediately, it needed to beef up its football strength, and TCU seemed to be the ticket. That's why they were enticed by WVU as well.

(05-20-2014 04:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 01:28 PM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 01:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 10:10 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 09:54 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  I can see BYU finally making the decision to join the Big 12. It solves all of their problems. Otherwise it's the MWC IMO.

Making the decision to join the Big12? That's all well and good... if there's an invite; But the B12 saw BYU as a less appealing option than TCU, so to assume they'd add them solely on their merits as a singular addition is dicey.

As for the MWC, THOSE ARE THE TEAMS THAT BYU SPLIT FROM, in forming the original MWC. I doubt they will go there.

I'm ... Homer made a sensible post.

Wasn't the choice of TCU over BYU based more on the fact that TCU was already transitioning from the MWC to the BE and were therefore available to join the Big12 that year? The Big12 was desperate for a team immediately.

I thought it was two reasons: First, TCU was a very comfortable regional/cultural fit, having long ties to Big 12 schools, and second, their status as a "hot" football program after having gone to the Fiesta and Rose Bowls in back to back years.

At that time, the Big 12 didn't just need a team immediately, it needed to beef up its football strength, and TCU seemed to be the ticket. That's why they were enticed by WVU as well.

Evidence shows it was more about this and drunken stories.

Atlas, the AAC has replaced the Big East as the sixth football conference and has retained its image as "The Red headed stepchild of College Football"! The AAC will always fight this battle of proving you belong in the power conferences. Life is not always fair!

(05-20-2014 01:21 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 01:08 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 10:07 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  If BYU is able to make the Big 12 jump it's likely they take one lucky AAC team with them.

Possibly, but there would still be a possibility for BYU to want SDSU as its Western travel partner; particularly if it was a football only invite.

On what planet is San Diego a "travelling" partner for BYU? They are ten hours away. And, BYU would not be in a position, if they did get an invite, the make demands on a 12th team anyway.

Thus, the word POSSIBILITY.

Honestly, I don't see anything happening right now.

Everyone is in wait and see mode...

Wait for the NCAA to rule on if the BIG XII can hold a championship game with only 10 schools.

Wait for the court ruling to be finalized on the Maryland vs. ACC exit fees.

If the NCAA rules you must have 12 teams for a conference championship and/or Maryland wins the court case and escapes with a minimal exit penalty then you will see some movement. Exactly what? Who knows?

SDSU will stay in the MWC (not that there are any other options), BYU will stay independent, the BIG XII will stay at 10.
Also, I don't see any team leaving the AAC for the MWC; makes no sense with exit fees etc.

Until the BIG XII makes a move or the B1G (or another P5 conference) makes a move nothing will change. Too many unknowns at this time.

(05-20-2014 10:57 AM)Tigersmoke Wrote:  The big 12 is not going to look back at byu sorry. The aac is byu's best option, also I would take them as a full member along with sdsu, unlv, afa. Then call it a day and look for a new contract. Wouldn't that big of a change start new contract negotiations?

Not that I wouldn't want to join BYU/SDSU to the AAC but IMO everyone is in a holding pattern. Too many unknowns right now.

If BYU and SDSU joined the AAC and the AAC got raided (UConn, UCF, Cincy... who knows who else) it would be severely weakened and likely not as strong/stable as the MWC with BYU/SDSU.

It is a strong possibility the AAC gets raided in the near future.

So, IMO everyone will wait and see until one of the P5 conferences make another move.