(05-08-2014 10:53 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Some people just aren't mechanically inclined or book smart. What other option do they have except to flip burgers.

We either raise the minimum wage for burger flippers or they continue to receive government assistance. Either way, taxpayers end up footing the bill.

At least with an increase in minimum wage, they have the extra dough to buy things and help the economy.

So Fit, what do you do with "Dave"? The guy that started 3 years ago at minimum and has steadily worked his way up a bit. He now makes 12 bucks an hour and has a stellar employment record. The snot nosed kid off the school bus is going to walk in there making 10, knowing nothing? Is Dave screwed or does his wage go up to?

Do that math all the way up the food chain and see where it lands you.

(05-08-2014 11:04 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 10:53 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Some people just aren't mechanically inclined or book smart. What other option do they have except to flip burgers.

We either raise the minimum wage for burger flippers or they continue to receive government assistance. Either way, taxpayers end up footing the bill.

At least with an increase in minimum wage, they have the extra dough to buy things and help the economy.

So Fit, what do you do with "Dave"? The guy that started 3 years ago at minimum and has steadily worked his way up a bit. He now makes 12 bucks an hour and has a stellar employment record. The snot nosed kid off the school bus is going to walk in there making 10, knowing nothing? Is Dave screwed or does his wage go up to?

Do that math all the way up the food chain and see where it lands you.

Dave is screwed. The same thing happened to me. I started working when minimum was 3.25. When it went up to 5.25, I got a raise but I was again making the same as new employees and I had been there 3 years.

It happens. Life isn't fair.

So the job creation reports should consist of 2 numbers, one for the number of jobs you can support a family on, and one for the low-paying jobs that are only for people that aren't supporting anyone, including themselves.

(05-08-2014 11:10 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 11:04 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 10:53 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Some people just aren't mechanically inclined or book smart. What other option do they have except to flip burgers.

We either raise the minimum wage for burger flippers or they continue to receive government assistance. Either way, taxpayers end up footing the bill.

At least with an increase in minimum wage, they have the extra dough to buy things and help the economy.

So Fit, what do you do with "Dave"? The guy that started 3 years ago at minimum and has steadily worked his way up a bit. He now makes 12 bucks an hour and has a stellar employment record. The snot nosed kid off the school bus is going to walk in there making 10, knowing nothing? Is Dave screwed or does his wage go up to?

Do that math all the way up the food chain and see where it lands you.

Dave is screwed. The same thing happened to me. I started working when minimum was 3.25. When it went up to 5.25, I got a raise but I was again making the same as new employees and I had been there 3 years.

It happens. Life isn't fair.

So now your stellar employer "Dave" is pissed and unappreciated, the snot nosed kid, having done nothing so far is nearly on par with him. Good idea.

Life isn't fair, so guess what? Dave walks. Now what?

Government mandating an arbitrary wage on any private enterprise is just lazy pandering. It costs the politician and government nothing and mandates the business take on an additional cost. Do we NOT make it tough enough on businesses around here already? They are the same bunch of clowns that then grandstand about "Job 1, has got to be about jobs". Uhhhhh, guess what, clown? You and yours are doing everything you can to stifle economic growth and hiring. But by all means, keep piling on.


The employee will look for his best situation. If no one takes the job the wage will necessarily go up. Arbitrary "numbers" are nearly meaningless.

(05-06-2014 10:49 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-06-2014 08:36 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-06-2014 08:28 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-06-2014 08:11 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 04:46 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I stayed at that job because they allowed me to go to school and make my own hours. I was able to finish college in 6 years and worked 40 hours a week.

Bravo. The sad thing today is that someone would be expected to be commended for doing what you did. Back in the day, what you did was just expected and it was just understood working the minimum wage job was precursor to bigger and better things, not a final destination job.

This....

Yep, I worked minimum wage througout highschool and then only for a little more through college. As college graduation approached my boss said to me, "I guess you'll be leaving soon better find someone else". Like I said, it was just expected back then.

But you have to understand that you and I are rare not because we other people are lazy but because college isn't for everyone or because they just don't know any better.

I went to college because my brother and sisters went to college. I have cousins however where college never crossed their mind. It's just foreign territory for a lot of people.

So you have to go to college to make more than minimum wage?

(05-08-2014 10:53 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Some people just aren't mechanically inclined or book smart. What other option do they have except to flip burgers.

We either raise the minimum wage for burger flippers or they continue to receive government assistance. Either way, taxpayers end up footing the bill.

At least with an increase in minimum wage, they have the extra dough to buy things and help the economy.

It's called unskilled labor in construction and it pays more significantly more than minimum wage.

(05-08-2014 11:38 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 11:10 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 11:04 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 10:53 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Some people just aren't mechanically inclined or book smart. What other option do they have except to flip burgers.

We either raise the minimum wage for burger flippers or they continue to receive government assistance. Either way, taxpayers end up footing the bill.

At least with an increase in minimum wage, they have the extra dough to buy things and help the economy.

So Fit, what do you do with "Dave"? The guy that started 3 years ago at minimum and has steadily worked his way up a bit. He now makes 12 bucks an hour and has a stellar employment record. The snot nosed kid off the school bus is going to walk in there making 10, knowing nothing? Is Dave screwed or does his wage go up to?

Do that math all the way up the food chain and see where it lands you.

Dave is screwed. The same thing happened to me. I started working when minimum was 3.25. When it went up to 5.25, I got a raise but I was again making the same as new employees and I had been there 3 years.

It happens. Life isn't fair.

So now your stellar employer "Dave" is pissed and unappreciated, the snot nosed kid, having done nothing so far is nearly on par with him. Good idea.

Life isn't fair, so guess what? Dave walks. Now what?

Government mandating an arbitrary wage on any private enterprise is just lazy pandering. It costs the politician and government nothing and mandates the business take on an additional cost. Do we NOT make it tough enough on businesses around here already? They are the same bunch of clowns that then grandstand about "Job 1, has got to be about jobs". Uhhhhh, guess what, clown? You and yours are doing everything you can to stifle economic growth and hiring. But by all means, keep piling on.


The employee will look for his best situation. If no one takes the job the wage will necessarily go up. Arbitrary "numbers" are nearly meaningless.

In theory? Maybe

In reality. No. Dave doesn't go anywhere because he knows that three years in that he is next in line to get promoted before the snot nosed kid. He knows that he won't get the same benefits anywhere else, he knows that he has better job security. And he also knows that the same pay has nothing to do with the company he works for.

(05-08-2014 12:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 11:38 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 11:10 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 11:04 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 10:53 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Some people just aren't mechanically inclined or book smart. What other option do they have except to flip burgers.

We either raise the minimum wage for burger flippers or they continue to receive government assistance. Either way, taxpayers end up footing the bill.

At least with an increase in minimum wage, they have the extra dough to buy things and help the economy.

So Fit, what do you do with "Dave"? The guy that started 3 years ago at minimum and has steadily worked his way up a bit. He now makes 12 bucks an hour and has a stellar employment record. The snot nosed kid off the school bus is going to walk in there making 10, knowing nothing? Is Dave screwed or does his wage go up to?

Do that math all the way up the food chain and see where it lands you.

Dave is screwed. The same thing happened to me. I started working when minimum was 3.25. When it went up to 5.25, I got a raise but I was again making the same as new employees and I had been there 3 years.

It happens. Life isn't fair.

So now your stellar employer "Dave" is pissed and unappreciated, the snot nosed kid, having done nothing so far is nearly on par with him. Good idea.

Life isn't fair, so guess what? Dave walks. Now what?

Government mandating an arbitrary wage on any private enterprise is just lazy pandering. It costs the politician and government nothing and mandates the business take on an additional cost. Do we NOT make it tough enough on businesses around here already? They are the same bunch of clowns that then grandstand about "Job 1, has got to be about jobs". Uhhhhh, guess what, clown? You and yours are doing everything you can to stifle economic growth and hiring. But by all means, keep piling on.


The employee will look for his best situation. If no one takes the job the wage will necessarily go up. Arbitrary "numbers" are nearly meaningless.

In theory? Maybe

In reality. No. Dave doesn't go anywhere because he knows that three years in that he is next in line to get promoted before the snot nosed kid. He knows that he won't get the same benefits anywhere else, he knows that he has better job security. And he also knows that the same pay has nothing to do with the company he works for.

But he isn't appreciated. We've already agreed that Dave has a stellar employment record, has held steady work for several years, his skills and knowledge may well command a higher price elsewhere. So he walks, or is at least disgruntled and looking. Where does the government get off creating from thin air further strife in somebody else's business? Isn't it tough enough these days already?

(05-08-2014 11:46 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(05-06-2014 10:49 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-06-2014 08:36 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-06-2014 08:28 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-06-2014 08:11 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Bravo. The sad thing today is that someone would be expected to be commended for doing what you did. Back in the day, what you did was just expected and it was just understood working the minimum wage job was precursor to bigger and better things, not a final destination job.

This....

Yep, I worked minimum wage througout highschool and then only for a little more through college. As college graduation approached my boss said to me, "I guess you'll be leaving soon better find someone else". Like I said, it was just expected back then.

But you have to understand that you and I are rare not because we other people are lazy but because college isn't for everyone or because they just don't know any better.

I went to college because my brother and sisters went to college. I have cousins however where college never crossed their mind. It's just foreign territory for a lot of people.

So you have to go to college to make more than minimum wage?

Nope, but you need some sort of skill. Maybe a trade or something. Either that or be an entrepeneur and create something.

(05-05-2014 12:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 12:05 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(05-05-2014 11:58 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I had no idea there was a limit.

The Democrats would love to have a country of minimum wage lackey's that they could control. Encouraging them to free themselves from the shackles of the government and be independent in terms of income growth and reach their real potential is a nightmare scenario for the Democrats.

By implying that people on minimum wage are dependent on the government only proves that the minimum wage is too low.

The more you raise the minimum wage, the more people you will have getting minimum wage, the more part time teenage workers won't be able to find jobs, and the more you will increase the cost of living (ie eliminating the middle class).

For those that feel the minimum wage shouldn't be increased, do you also think that the minimum wage should be removed altogether?

(05-08-2014 02:49 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  For those that feel the minimum wage shouldn't be increased, do you also think that the minimum wage should be removed altogether?

Without a doubt. It serves no purpose as it is.

Let the market decide.

(05-08-2014 11:38 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 11:10 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 11:04 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  So Fit, what do you do with "Dave"? The guy that started 3 years ago at minimum and has steadily worked his way up a bit. He now makes 12 bucks an hour and has a stellar employment record. The snot nosed kid off the school bus is going to walk in there making 10, knowing nothing? Is Dave screwed or does his wage go up to?

Do that math all the way up the food chain and see where it lands you.

Dave is screwed. The same thing happened to me. I started working when minimum was 3.25. When it went up to 5.25, I got a raise but I was again making the same as new employees and I had been there 3 years.

It happens. Life isn't fair.

So now your stellar employer "Dave" is pissed and unappreciated, the snot nosed kid, having done nothing so far is nearly on par with him. Good idea.

Life isn't fair, so guess what? Dave walks. Now what?

It's no great loss if Dave leaves his job. If he'd been in a minimum wage job for three years, he's obviously not worth a **** to begin with. Probably never will be. Nothing personal, Dave.

(05-08-2014 04:25 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 11:38 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 11:10 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-08-2014 11:04 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  So Fit, what do you do with "Dave"? The guy that started 3 years ago at minimum and has steadily worked his way up a bit. He now makes 12 bucks an hour and has a stellar employment record. The snot nosed kid off the school bus is going to walk in there making 10, knowing nothing? Is Dave screwed or does his wage go up to?

Do that math all the way up the food chain and see where it lands you.

Dave is screwed. The same thing happened to me. I started working when minimum was 3.25. When it went up to 5.25, I got a raise but I was again making the same as new employees and I had been there 3 years.

It happens. Life isn't fair.

So now your stellar employer "Dave" is pissed and unappreciated, the snot nosed kid, having done nothing so far is nearly on par with him. Good idea.

Life isn't fair, so guess what? Dave walks. Now what?

It's no great loss if Dave leaves his job. If he'd been in a minimum wage job for three years, he's obviously not worth a **** to begin with. Probably never will be. Nothing personal, Dave.

Uhhhh, did you actually read the scenario? I'm gonna climb out on this limb and guess not.

Conservatives ***** about there not being jobs.

Then yell at people that they need to get real jobs.

It would be hilarious if it weren't so sad.

Okay, I not singling anyone or posting in this thread about statements only made in this thread. But, I have to say this because several statements mad in several threads here are pissing me off. And, that is the underhanded remarks about single mothers. Not all are single for the same reasons, some were married and now divorced (don't care if you agree with that or not), father is dead, left, to sorry to support his kids, etc. I was raised by a single mom. She didn't ask for help, get government assistance, she worked hard, raised me the best she could and gave me what she could. She managed debt, schedules, everything. I turned out okay I think, graduated, went to college, now working. She instilled a hard work ethic in me, making me get summer jobs from 14 up. When I turn 16 she with my Aunt and Uncle got me a car, my Aunt's old one, sold to me for $1, my mom got the repairs done. But, she told me that I would have to get and keep a part time job while in school and pay for the gas myself and earn my own spending cash. I did, I've been laid off from a few jobs (2) but, since 14 I have never been more than 3 months without a job, and found and got each and everyone myself.

Yes, I know many aren't like my Mom, but let's drop this one size fits all crap. Many times the father is as much to blame on a single parent home as the mother. Me personly, I glad my parents split up, (having seen a couple try to stay to gather for yearsfor the kids that could no longer stand each other and all the fights) I glad I didn't grow up in a loveless home where my parent fought all the time.

(05-08-2014 09:40 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Okay, I not singling anyone or posting in this thread about statements only made in this thread. But, I have to say this because several statements mad in several threads here are pissing me off. And, that is the underhanded remarks about single mothers. Not all are single for the same reasons, some were married and now divorced (don't care if you agree with that or not), father is dead, left, to sorry to support his kids, etc. I was raised by a single mom. She didn't ask for help, get government assistance, she worked hard, raised me the best she could and gave me what she could. She managed debt, schedules, everything. I turned out okay I think, graduated, went to college, now working. She instilled a hard work ethic in me, making me get summer jobs from 14 up. When I turn 16 she with my Aunt and Uncle got me a car, my Aunt's old one, sold to me for $1, my mom got the repairs done. But, she told me that I would have to get and keep a part time job while in school and pay for the gas myself and earn my own spending cash. I did, I've been laid off from a few jobs (2) but, since 14 I have never been more than 3 months without a job, and found and got each and everyone myself.

Yes, I know many aren't like my Mom, but let's drop this one size fits all crap. Many times the father is as much to blame on a single parent home as the mother. Me personly, I glad my parents split up, (having seen a couple try to stay to gather for yearsfor the kids that could no longer stand each other and all the fights) I glad I didn't grow up in a loveless home where my parent fought all the time.

Uhhh, okay. Congrats?

Where did this all come from? Did someone demean anyone working hard and playing by the rules?

I congratulate your Mom for getting it right. Far to often that's not what happens.