(05-03-2014 08:27 AM)bubbapt Wrote:  The teams that win NCAA championships have NBA talent.

That is exactly right. At least one or two.

Other than his first year I haven’t been able to predict accurately what Josh’s teams will do. I have not been able to determine what they will run, who will get the bulk of PT, who will be the go-to guy, (ect ect).

The past season was no different. After hearing reports they were working all summer on a full court press I thought we would play and rotate 2 guards at a time, press and wear out some teams. Instead we played 3 guards at all times and almost never pressed. I also thought we would play Nick King and Iverson at the SF but this didn’t happen either.

As for talent coaches try to land the best recruits available. I see no advantage with having less talented players. Get the best you can and try to make them better.

I'll take 5 DJ Stephens to go please.

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Lol , there aren’t 5 DJ Stephens in our entire solar system.

so many suns so many galaxies so many universes
but only one DJ

so you know what that makes us....
some very fortunate ******s.

uhm....are words heretofor not allowed now being allowed. Or did ******* slip through?

(05-03-2014 01:05 AM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  Does anybody besides me feel the JP might just be a better coach with less heralded players?

I'm just not sure the 5 star guys fit with him.

3-4 star guys not looking to go pro every year may be where Josh excels.

You do realize that our past several teams have not exactly been bad.

In fact they have been really good- although unfortunately short of elite level.

I am not buying into the under the statement sentiment that Pastner has not been a good coach and all those 5 stars blah blah blah.

Those 5 stars- and there have not been THAT many- Will Barton, Joe Jackson, Adonis Thomas and Austin Nichols- helped the team to all NCAA tournaments, and in position to be an automatic for a while.

The theme you are attempting is that the kids (nearly all Memphis kids what a shock) are selfish- looking for NBA- and that is part of the problem.

Our team may be better next year, and this past year's team was really good, because some kids will play better and a million other factors.

One day our fanbase can look to a new year without the bashing of past years, players and coaches. And none of that means myself or many others do not see faults and do not want even more success. Just simply not willing to buy into this whiney baby idea that 4 consecutive tourneys, the last 2 with tourney wins, the last season with a handful of wins over really good teams, is some kind of failure.

I see this board hasn't changed since I been gone

(05-03-2014 08:33 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  I'm curious on "who" he didnt get to play up to their potential? Tarik and Adonis situation for example seem to be on them and their attitude.

WHO ? and Adonis

(05-03-2014 10:04 AM)Chattanoogatiger Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 07:53 AM)howboutthemtigers Wrote:  With all due respect, I think you are wrong. I think one of the legitimate knocks on Josh is that he has been unable to get players to play to their potential. I don't see how less talented players will help his style.

Every one of Pastner's teams has had significant deficiencies that hindered them from making a big run. Had nothing to do with Pastner's coaching ability.

A team relying on smallish guards that can't consistently shoot well, shouldn't be expected to compete with an Elite 8 level team.

So who should we credit those deficiencies to? Where does the buck stop?

(05-03-2014 07:05 PM)Mimi Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 01:05 AM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  Does anybody besides me feel the JP might just be a better coach with less heralded players?

I'm just not sure the 5 star guys fit with him.

3-4 star guys not looking to go pro every year may be where Josh excels.

You do realize that our past several teams have not exactly been bad.

In fact they have been really good- although unfortunately short of elite level.

I am not buying into the under the statement sentiment that Pastner has not been a good coach and all those 5 stars blah blah blah.

Those 5 stars- and there have not been THAT many- Will Barton, Joe Jackson, Adonis Thomas and Austin Nichols- helped the team to all NCAA tournaments, and in position to be an automatic for a while.

The theme you are attempting is that the kids (nearly all Memphis kids what a shock) are selfish- looking for NBA- and that is part of the problem.

Our team may be better next year, and this past year's team was really good, because some kids will play better and a million other factors.

One day our fanbase can look to a new year without the bashing of past years, players and coaches. And none of that means myself or many others do not see faults and do not want even more success. Just simply not willing to buy into this whiney baby idea that 4 consecutive tourneys, the last 2 with tourney wins, the last season with a handful of wins over really good teams, is some kind of failure.

Well said. Thanks.

(05-03-2014 11:20 PM)JTS Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 10:04 AM)Chattanoogatiger Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 07:53 AM)howboutthemtigers Wrote:  With all due respect, I think you are wrong. I think one of the legitimate knocks on Josh is that he has been unable to get players to play to their potential. I don't see how less talented players will help his style.

Every one of Pastner's teams has had significant deficiencies that hindered them from making a big run. Had nothing to do with Pastner's coaching ability.

A team relying on smallish guards that can't consistently shoot well, shouldn't be expected to compete with an Elite 8 level team.

So who should we credit those deficiencies to? Where does the buck stop?

He took a gamble. It didn't work out as well as expected. Just about everyone was predicting them to be the best backcourt in the nation, and that's what we needed in order to be elite.

At the end of the day, it would have been unlikely that this team could have made a Final Four run under any coach. A bunch of really good players and I enjoyed their time here, but they reached their ceiling.

(05-03-2014 09:10 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 08:33 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  I'm curious on "who" he didnt get to play up to their potential? Tarik and Adonis situation for example seem to be on them and their attitude.

With all due respect, I think you are wrong. I think one of the legitimate knocks on Josh is that he has been unable to get players to play to their potential. I don't see how less talented players will help his style.

There doesn't have to be a specific player mentioned to have this effect! If we as a team, have a difficult time of winning against the top % of teams when it really counts(In the post-season). Then the team is under-performing as a whole. So, it's not a matter of "who" doesn't play up to their potential, as Josh hasn't shown to get a unit to play in Harmony;efficiently & effectively to it's full potential. But that also comes with individuals understanding how to maximize their time on the floor by getting them in positions that they are the strongest and most confident in! That's a glaring fact, as we have seen Shaq and Austins development; on occasion they look good, but it's obvious sometimes they could have been more efficient.....Same thing goes for our guards...at times they were good,also at times they were horrendous...and that should not have been so when you have/had four that were interchangeable. Also the lack of development with King/Iverson/Dom/and Wilson....Our team would have been much stronger if those players had definite roles that they could have grown confident in. But that seemed not to be the case as Joshs' coaching tactics were more reactionary than being proactive.....resulting in players that weren't ready when called upon....

Hum, I thought we were tied with Connecticut and they beat us in OT. That is better than any team did in the NCAA Tournament. We also beat last year's NCAA Champion Louisville.... TWICE. I think there are high points and low points in every season for every team. Connecticut was ranked below the Top 20 before the tournament and was a #7 seed yet still won the Championhip after losing 8 regular season games.

None of CJPs top classes stayed together for one reason or another. With the top talent he got I only wonder what we would look like if T.Black, JJ, CC, Shaq, Adonis and Stokes had all stucked together as we thought. They would have been a very tough out.

(05-03-2014 05:15 PM)maximus Wrote:  I'll take 5 DJ Stephens to go please.

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And you wouldn't even make the NIT

I dont think we have to worry about a top class for awhile, the Dude cant coach! I hear auburn gonna be bringing in a pretty good squad and Skal a kentucky lock.

(05-04-2014 04:48 PM)memphisike Wrote:  I dont think we have to worry about a top class for awhile, the Dude cant coach! I hear auburn gonna be bringing in a pretty good squad and Skal a kentucky lock.

Word on the street is you like to troll

(05-04-2014 05:25 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(05-04-2014 04:48 PM)memphisike Wrote:  I dont think we have to worry about a top class for awhile, the Dude cant coach! I hear auburn gonna be bringing in a pretty good squad and Skal a kentucky lock.

Word on the street is you like to troll

That's all this alias is for. Pretend to be a Tiger fan, say obnoxious crap and hope they hook somebody. Fortunately, fishing's bad.

(05-04-2014 06:00 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(05-04-2014 05:25 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(05-04-2014 04:48 PM)memphisike Wrote:  I dont think we have to worry about a top class for awhile, the Dude cant coach! I hear auburn gonna be bringing in a pretty good squad and Skal a kentucky lock.

Word on the street is you like to troll

That's all this alias is for. Pretend to be a Tiger fan, say obnoxious crap and hope they hook somebody. Fortunately, fishing's bad.

He might should try noodling.

(05-04-2014 07:20 AM)Chattanoogatiger Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 11:20 PM)JTS Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 10:04 AM)Chattanoogatiger Wrote:  

(05-03-2014 07:53 AM)howboutthemtigers Wrote:  With all due respect, I think you are wrong. I think one of the legitimate knocks on Josh is that he has been unable to get players to play to their potential. I don't see how less talented players will help his style.

Every one of Pastner's teams has had significant deficiencies that hindered them from making a big run. Had nothing to do with Pastner's coaching ability.

A team relying on smallish guards that can't consistently shoot well, shouldn't be expected to compete with an Elite 8 level team.

So who should we credit those deficiencies to? Where does the buck stop?

He took a gamble. It didn't work out as well as expected. Just about everyone was predicting them to be the best backcourt in the nation, and that's what we needed in order to be elite.

At the end of the day, it would have been unlikely that this team could have made a Final Four run under any coach. A bunch of really good players and I enjoyed their time here, but they reached their ceiling.

I realized this in January and posted with all of our guards being seniors they had reached their apex and we were relying too much on them. I also noticed while other teams adjusted and were getting better our team was not.

Other than sporadically going inside-out (which was successful when we actually did it), we continued to focus primarily on the inconsistent play of our backcourt. Playing Chris & Nick King (when he was in) out of position was IMHO an under use of their talent. Chris abandoned his midrange game, never attacked the rim, and thus only shot a handful of free throws. Say what you will but that’s on coach.

Seems like every season we install some new “gimmick” and even if unsuccessful, we tend stick with it for the entire season. I hope the upcoming season will be different but I’m not holding my breath.