This whole situation has the potential to expose a lot of messed up ****. I hope it does.

The rancher has done nothing wrong.

He has been trying to pay locally.

Surprised the libs don't love this like they loved the occupy Wall Street movement. Maybe there weren't enough drugs, rapes, destruction of private property along with pelosi claiming its American to protest.

(04-14-2014 09:13 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Surprised the libs don't love this like they loved the occupy Wall Street movement. Maybe there weren't enough drugs, rapes, destruction of private property along with pelosi claiming its American to protest.

Because Occupy was all about keeping the Democrats in power. Occupy was orchestrated by Media Matters out of Phoenix, AZ---which I might add takes federal dollars.

(04-14-2014 08:02 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  GOP senators should go on the floor and say the Reid family is tied to big business, rigging land purchases, the recipients of influence peddling, and so on. Harry needs to learn a lesson.

Yea, except all those things are documented to be TRUE! That vicious partisan hack makes wild unfounded accusations about others, then offers zerO proof of same. Him? Dirty as they come.

Embrace your boy leftists, he's your guy!!!

(04-14-2014 08:34 PM)Max Power Wrote:  So you can steal if you're productive? It seems he's been compensated by the market pretty handsomely for his "productivity." He gets to steal too?

I never said he could steal I said he was being more productive than the OWS pukes...

" Bundy grazed his cattle legally on an area of federal land near Bunkerville prior to 1993, but when grazing rules were changed in the Gold Butte, Nevada area in Clark County, he became locked in legal battles with the US government."

For the record the million or so he owes in grazing fees is less than cities had to spend cleaning up after crap like this..



But the fact you look at a man who is protesting the rules being changed on him in the 90's as "scum" and a "theif" while glowing viewing the OWS as airing a grievance is telling...

(04-14-2014 07:17 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

You don’t think the fact that Harry Reid’s son has ties to a firm that wants the land for a Chinese solar company has something to do with Dingy’s position on this?

Actually, this argument doesn't apply

1) the solar company in question, no longer was able to even involve itself in the attempted land buy. They were going under in terms of money, so pulled out of the plan about 3 years ago(?).

2) The land they were interested in wasn't even near the ranching operation in question. (I read they were interested in land further to the south closer to Laughlin, NV?)

Quote:He has been trying to pay locally

I think this is the one bit that might hurt the rancher in the lawsuit. An article (I want to say the Blaze, but don't remember) said that Nevada (and pretty much every other state) cedes the budgetary control of govt-funded land to the federal govt, and it's up to the feds to collect and institute all monetary policies in that regards.

Chinese companies are always going out of business but some subsidiary or holding company
may be pursuing the same thing.

(04-14-2014 07:38 PM)Max Power Wrote:  So Republicans are deifying this guy who has been having his cattle eat grass on federal land without paying and is therefore stealing from all us taxpayers? This FREELOADER/MOOCHER/TAKER/PARASITE is your new hero now?

Lord forbid those mean ol' cows be able to eat that expensive, rare, grass without someone paying. Wait? What? Grass is everywhere and the land isn't used? Who'd have thunk..

"This is OUR land! Your cows do NOT eat here without paying! You better pay those grazing taxes so that you can pay your income taxes when you sell the cattle, your gasoline tax to move them, your vehicle tax to transport them, and so that we can collect sales tax when people buy them."

P.S. We really need to stop the war on animals. I swear this administration doesn't care about animal rights at all. They'd rather see those cows go hungry and die than to let them graze in the meadows. Ps. Obama publicly praised M. Vick for his "turn around." Just goes to show how bad this entire thing is...now it's up to you to figure out where I'm serious.

Bundy should charge the government for the fertilizer his cows provided.
They also probably aerated the ground.

(04-14-2014 11:48 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Bundy should charge the government for the fertilizer his cows provided.
They also probably aerated the ground.

Well they definitely kept the grass down. Not sure how much it grows out there but I know NC DOT pays a loooooot of $$ for mowing crews to mow the sides of the road. State owned lands use controlled burns...not sure what kind of $$ and resources that takes.

So grass cut for free - that's expensive. Probably worth $10,000,000.
Bundy should charge the government for the fertilizer his cows provided.
They also probably aerated the ground.
Probably $20,000,000 the government owes him.

(04-14-2014 11:59 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  So grass cut for free - that's expensive. Probably worth $10,000,000.
Bundy should charge the government for the fertilizer his cows provided.
They also probably aerated the ground.
Probably $20,000,000 the government owes him.

This just in...Reid slipped in a rider on the Obamacare bill for methane release tax on federal lands in Nevada. Calls it even.

(04-14-2014 07:38 PM)Max Power Wrote:  So Republicans are deifying this guy who has been having his cattle eat grass on federal land without paying and is therefore stealing from all us taxpayers? This FREELOADER/MOOCHER/TAKER/PARASITE is your new hero now?

He paid the fees for decades....until he discovered that the money he was paying was being used to shut down his business. WTF would you do Max?

(04-14-2014 10:07 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(04-14-2014 08:34 PM)Max Power Wrote:  So you can steal if you're productive? It seems he's been compensated by the market pretty handsomely for his "productivity." He gets to steal too?

" Bundy grazed his cattle legally on an area of federal land near Bunkerville prior to 1993, but when grazing rules were changed in the Gold Butte, Nevada area in Clark County, he became locked in legal battles with the US government."

This is the real problem here. Some unaccountable bureaucrat made a rule change, so what had previously been legal activity became illegal, and what had previously been economically feasible activity became infeasible.

Did congress vote on that rule change? Did you or I? Do any of us have any recourse?

We are becoming a nation ruled by bureaucratic fiat. And there is absolutely nothing good about that.

(04-14-2014 08:01 PM)Paul M Wrote:  How about Reid and his son be good citizens and represent Yucca and get it open.

^ This.


And, just out of curiousity... why isn't Harry Reid & co helping American companies?

Who gave the snipers the approval to set up on American Citizens? Harry Reid?

The BLM is under the executive branch, FYI.

Quote:The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) is an agency within the United States Department of the Interior that administers America's public lands, totaling approximately 247.3 million acres, or one-eighth of the landmass of the country.[1] The BLM also manages 700 million acres (2,800,000 km2) of subsurface mineral estate underlying federal, state, and private lands. Most public lands are located in western states, especially Alaska. With approximately 10,000 permanent employees and close to 2,000 seasonal employees, this works out to over 21,000 acres (85 km2) per employee. The agency's budget was US$960,000,000 for 2010 ($3.79 per surface acre, $9.38 per hectare).[2]

(04-14-2014 08:00 PM)Max Power Wrote:  I dont know many liberals who deify Charlie Rangel, who got plenty of backlash in the liberal media when his tax evasion issues became public. But good one.

Other ranchers are paying to have their cattle graze on federal land. Now a bunch more are probably going to stop paying to the Treasury because of this *******. Yee haw!

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports...-be-raised

This article predates the current situation in Nevada and explains the origins of this type of grazing and what the value of it actually is.

It's not over until Reid's son gets paid.