(02-28-2014 05:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 03:39 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Then the parents should wear the American flag. Who's going to stop THEM? This is so wrong in every respect. As for Califas falling into the ocean, give it time.

That state is so bad that God would probably feel it's in the same area as Sodom and Gomorrah when Abraham asked God if he would spare Sodom if Abraham could find 50 righteous people. I don't think you'll find that many in San Francisco that's for sure.

You don't get it. The two students deliberately wore the American flag on Cinco de Mayo day knowing that it would cause trouble.

The ruling under Tinker vs. Des Moines, the Supreme Court ruled that school officials can ban 1st amendment rights if they determine that it will cause disruption and cause students not to learn.

Errr, cause trouble? The American flag? Trouble with whom? And why would this possibly cause trouble, ever? Pledge allegiance, get your mind straight, it's not that hard.

Seem that Cinco de Mayo is the problem.

'Murica is going down the tubes.

(03-01-2014 03:07 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 05:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 03:39 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Then the parents should wear the American flag. Who's going to stop THEM? This is so wrong in every respect. As for Califas falling into the ocean, give it time.

That state is so bad that God would probably feel it's in the same area as Sodom and Gomorrah when Abraham asked God if he would spare Sodom if Abraham could find 50 righteous people. I don't think you'll find that many in San Francisco that's for sure.

You don't get it. The two students deliberately wore the American flag on Cinco de Mayo day knowing that it would cause trouble.

The ruling under Tinker vs. Des Moines, the Supreme Court ruled that school officials can ban 1st amendment rights if they determine that it will cause disruption and cause students not to learn.

Errr, cause trouble? The American flag? Trouble with whom? And why would this possibly cause trouble, ever? Pledge allegiance, get your mind straight, it's not that hard.

The American flag being worn on Cinco De Mayo in a predominately Hispanic community could be a problem. If you can't see that then I don't know what else to tell you.

When I was in middle school, L.A. Raiders and Chicago Bulls jerseys were banned because they caused fights but everyone was still allowed to wear Dallas Cowboys shirts.

(03-01-2014 12:47 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  The American flag being worn on Cinco De Mayo in a predominately Hispanic community could be a problem. If you can't see that then I don't know what else to tell you.

I believe you that it will cause a problem.

My point is, what the hell is wrong with San Jose that it's a problem?

(03-01-2014 12:47 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-01-2014 03:07 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 05:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 03:39 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Then the parents should wear the American flag. Who's going to stop THEM? This is so wrong in every respect. As for Califas falling into the ocean, give it time.

That state is so bad that God would probably feel it's in the same area as Sodom and Gomorrah when Abraham asked God if he would spare Sodom if Abraham could find 50 righteous people. I don't think you'll find that many in San Francisco that's for sure.

You don't get it. The two students deliberately wore the American flag on Cinco de Mayo day knowing that it would cause trouble.

The ruling under Tinker vs. Des Moines, the Supreme Court ruled that school officials can ban 1st amendment rights if they determine that it will cause disruption and cause students not to learn.

Errr, cause trouble? The American flag? Trouble with whom? And why would this possibly cause trouble, ever? Pledge allegiance, get your mind straight, it's not that hard.

The American flag being worn on Cinco De Mayo in a predominately Hispanic community could be a problem. If you can't see that then I don't know what else to tell you.

When I was in middle school, L.A. Raiders and Chicago Bulls jerseys were banned because they caused fights but everyone was still allowed to wear Dallas Cowboys shirts.

Fit, I don't understand why you keep defending this. If gay kids wore rainbow shirts and were getting into fights over it you can bet your left nut the kids who start the fights would be getting in trouble and not the gays. And this is a perfect example of some Mexicans not wanting to assimilate into America. Oh, and your reference to the sports jerseys doesn't apply because they imply gang membership, not national pride.

I lived in El Paso for 2 years and this was never a problem down there. In fact, the Latinos in El Paso wanted the Mexican's who disrespected this country to leave.

One last question; on Cinco de Mayo should schools not fly the American flag or say the Pledge of Allegiance because they might offend kids or start fights?

(03-01-2014 12:47 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-01-2014 03:07 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 05:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 03:39 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Then the parents should wear the American flag. Who's going to stop THEM? This is so wrong in every respect. As for Califas falling into the ocean, give it time.

That state is so bad that God would probably feel it's in the same area as Sodom and Gomorrah when Abraham asked God if he would spare Sodom if Abraham could find 50 righteous people. I don't think you'll find that many in San Francisco that's for sure.

You don't get it. The two students deliberately wore the American flag on Cinco de Mayo day knowing that it would cause trouble.

The ruling under Tinker vs. Des Moines, the Supreme Court ruled that school officials can ban 1st amendment rights if they determine that it will cause disruption and cause students not to learn.

Errr, cause trouble? The American flag? Trouble with whom? And why would this possibly cause trouble, ever? Pledge allegiance, get your mind straight, it's not that hard.

The American flag being worn on Cinco De Mayo in a predominately Hispanic community could be a problem. If you can't see that then I don't know what else to tell you.

When I was in middle school, L.A. Raiders and Chicago Bulls jerseys were banned because they caused fights but everyone was still allowed to wear Dallas Cowboys shirts.

HBG now has strict guidelines on clothing worn....the parochials still do the plaid thingy....

...today's world can get you killed, as opposed to just beating the shite out of someone....Is est quis is est...and we developed this psyche....

(03-01-2014 12:59 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(03-01-2014 12:47 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-01-2014 03:07 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 05:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 03:39 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Then the parents should wear the American flag. Who's going to stop THEM? This is so wrong in every respect. As for Califas falling into the ocean, give it time.

That state is so bad that God would probably feel it's in the same area as Sodom and Gomorrah when Abraham asked God if he would spare Sodom if Abraham could find 50 righteous people. I don't think you'll find that many in San Francisco that's for sure.

You don't get it. The two students deliberately wore the American flag on Cinco de Mayo day knowing that it would cause trouble.

The ruling under Tinker vs. Des Moines, the Supreme Court ruled that school officials can ban 1st amendment rights if they determine that it will cause disruption and cause students not to learn.

Errr, cause trouble? The American flag? Trouble with whom? And why would this possibly cause trouble, ever? Pledge allegiance, get your mind straight, it's not that hard.

The American flag being worn on Cinco De Mayo in a predominately Hispanic community could be a problem. If you can't see that then I don't know what else to tell you.

When I was in middle school, L.A. Raiders and Chicago Bulls jerseys were banned because they caused fights but everyone was still allowed to wear Dallas Cowboys shirts.

Fit, I don't understand why you keep defending this. If gay kids wore rainbow shirts and were getting into fights over it you can bet your left nut the kids who start the fights would be getting in trouble and not the gays. And this is a perfect example of some Mexicans not wanting to assimilate into America. Oh, and your reference to the sports jerseys doesn't apply because they imply gang membership, not national pride.

I lived in El Paso for 2 years and this was never a problem down there. In fact, the Latinos in El Paso wanted the Mexican's who disrespected this country to leave.

One last question; on Cinco de Mayo should schools not fly the American flag or say the Pledge of Allegiance because they might offend kids or start fights?

...typical isolated rhetoric....

lol, all the kids wearing US flags should just wear Mexican flag shirts on that day. Heck, they'll probably piss those other people off even more.

(02-28-2014 11:04 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 05:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  You don't get it. The two students deliberately wore the American flag on Cinco de Mayo day knowing that it would cause trouble.

This is America. They should be able to deliberately wear their shirt on Cinco de Mayo o Seis de Mayo o Siete de Mayo o cualquier dia de Mayo. Maybe the American kids should start becoming offended of the Mexican flag and start threatening violence. Seriously, if any of the students start getting heated, then suspend them...that is the appropriate action.

They should be able to wear the Mexican flag shirts anytime. I see nothing offensive about that. I don't however believe it appropriate to have ANY organized national celebrations in the public school other than an American celebration. Last time I checked we don't live in Mexico. The puszies in the school system are to blame for this for allowing this nonsense in the first place.

The bottom line is people think the physical of the flag matters....

IMO, it's like living 10k years ago....

It's a symbol of the people that fought and died to get us to this point....

Things always change....it's how we got here....and everybody and the social media is fkn it all up...

fk it.....

(03-01-2014 02:32 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  The bottom line is people think the physical of the flag matters....

IMO, it's like living 10k years ago....

It's a symbol of the people that fought and died to get us to this point....

Things always change....it's how we got here....and everybody and the social media is fkn it all up...

fk it.....

Hold on a minute...I have to find a 5 year old to translate that for me. Jesus, can you please write your thoughts in a manner that makes it easy for us to understand.

(03-01-2014 02:32 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  The bottom line is people think the physical of the flag matters....

IMO, it's like living 10k years ago....

It's a symbol of the people that fought and died to get us to this point....

Things always change....it's how we got here....and everybody and the social media is fkn it all up...

fk it.....

Wut?

(03-01-2014 12:55 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-01-2014 12:47 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  The American flag being worn on Cinco De Mayo in a predominately Hispanic community could be a problem. If you can't see that then I don't know what else to tell you.

I believe you that it will cause a problem.

My point is, what the hell is wrong with San Jose that it's a problem?

It's a problem because the flag has a different meaning for Americans than it does for Mexicans.

The flag is significant because it honors where you were born or the country you love regardless of race.

The Mexican flag is significant because it honors Hispanics.

Presenting the American flag is not racial in America but it is in Mexico.

Here's the bottom line. All the students at this school are either American or here illegally. If you are American, this is YOUR flag now. You can waive the Mexican flag, but you had better start loving the American one. As to the illegals, who cares. If you break the law to get here, you have no say...deal with it.

(03-02-2014 02:51 AM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  Here's the bottom line. All the students at this school are either American or here illegally. If you are American, this is YOUR flag now. You can waive the Mexican flag, but you had better start loving the American one. As to the illegals, who cares. If you break the law to get here, you have no say...deal with it.

What you fail to understand is that in schools, the majority of kids who have been brought here to this country were brought here against their will. I have many years of experience with children from Mexico who absolutely hate this country but have been brought here by their parents because they know better and understand that America gives them better options.

Given their circumstances, you have to be sympathetic to their refusal to embrace America as children.

(03-02-2014 02:48 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Presenting the American flag is not racial in America but it is in Mexico.

And where is San Jose?

Institutionally reinforcing that hatred strikes me as a bad idea.

(03-02-2014 02:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 02:51 AM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  Here's the bottom line. All the students at this school are either American or here illegally. If you are American, this is YOUR flag now. You can waive the Mexican flag, but you had better start loving the American one. As to the illegals, who cares. If you break the law to get here, you have no say...deal with it.

What you fail to understand is that in schools, the majority of kids who have been brought here to this country were brought here against their will. I have many years of experience with children from Mexico who absolutely hate this country but have been brought here by their parents because they know better and understand that America gives them better options.

Given their circumstances, you have to be sympathetic to their refusal to embrace America as children.

Really? If they hate this country so much and our flag offends them so much, they can take their illegal azzes and go back home to relatives. The exit door is always open; don't let it hit 'em on their dumb azz on the way out. No, I am not sympathetic just as I am not sympathetic to other kids that feel like they have some precious reason as to why they get to be abusive and obnoxious to others.

That's the problem you don't seem to realize. These kids are going to schools. And whether that is in Mexico or the US, they should have some level of decorum and manners about them. Whatever your gripe with society never erases this. So, if you are in America and an American is wearing their country's colors, if it is going to make you mad, I suggest looking the other way or closing your eyes.

That's it, right there.

In America, you don't get to be pissed at someone wearing an American flag, period.

Jesus, do other countries deal with this crap?

No. Unfortunately Fitbud's our problem.