http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/oldest...ies-n36851

This is pretty amazing and her attitude coudnt be better RIP. Angryaphid you are probably starting to feel pretty lonely!

Always hard to believe that a bunch of people could just kill a bunch of other people
because they do not like them; whether the Holocaust or mass other killings.

(02-24-2014 05:02 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Always hard to believe that a bunch of people could just kill a bunch of other people
because they do not like them; whether the Holocaust or mass other killings.

To your post re: mass other killings:

Number of Jews killed during the Nazi Holocaust - 6,000,000.
Number of American babies aborted since 9/11/2001 - 14,301,000
Total number of abortions in the United States 1967-2013: 56,605,430
Population of 82 largest U.S. cities: 56,628,114 (2011)
Number of babies aborted each year worldwide -- 50,000,000.
Number of babies aborted throughout the world since World War II:
More than 1.5 billion people.


edit to above: greatly reduced, full stats moved to another (NY babies killed) thread.

No the real mass killings today are b/t christians and muslims in Africa. Please do not turn this thread into zealotry!

I find it hard to believe that there are Holocaust deniers. How can someone deny something that happened when we have people still living who survived it and were first-hand witnesses to the slaughter?

When I was a kid there was a man and wife team who worked their asses off in a bakery, and I mean they worked their asses off. They also had the tattooed numbers the Nazis put on their forearms. They died before I could fully appreciate their struggle. They were good people.

(02-24-2014 07:12 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:02 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Always hard to believe that a bunch of people could just kill a bunch of other people
because they do not like them; whether the Holocaust or mass other killings.

Kinda like a lot of folks who don't like all of these people, so they kill them
There's your real Holocaust, and it goes on daily still:

(Updated 4/26/2013)

By Dennis M. Howard

Total number of abortions in the United States 1967-2013: 56,605,430
Population of 82 largest U.S. cities: 56,628,114 (2011)
Number of babies aborted each year worldwide -- 50,000,000.
Number of babies aborted throughout the world since World War II:
More than 1.5 billion.
Top 3 countries in number of abortions annually:
1. China -- 11,000,000.
2. Former Soviet Union -- 6,000,000.
3. The United States -- 1,220,000 (Projected 2013)
Highest abortion/birth ratio in the world: The former Soviet Union
(300 abortions for every 100 live births, and declining)
Highest abortion/birth ratio in the United States: Washington, D.C.
(265 abortions for every 100 live births).
Number of Jews killed during the Nazi Holocaust - 6,000,000.
Number of American babies aborted since 9/11/2001 - 14,301,000
Number of American babies aborted during the Clinton presidency: 11,200,000
Number of babies aborted during Bush II presidency: 10,108,000 (-9.75%)

Number of blacks killed by lynching in the U.S. between 1864 and 1968:
4,946 (47.7 per year).
Number of black babies killed by abortion between 1973 and 2013:
18,778,000 (currently 450,000 per year)
Ratio of black babies killed by abortion to blacks killed by lynching:
3,796 to 1.

War, what is is good for? Absolutely nothing, say it again!

Number of U.S. battle deaths in the 8-year American Revolution:
4,435
Number of babies aborted in one day in the U.S. today:
3,425
Number of U.S. battle deaths in 9-year Vietnam War from 1964 to 1973:
47,369
Number of abortions in the United States in 9 years from 1984 to 1993:
13,950,000
Ratio: 294.5 to 1

War, war is stupid, and people are stupid.

Number of American battle deaths in all U.S. wars since 1776: 650,503
Number of abortions in the United States 1967-2011: 54,900,000
Ratio of U.S. abortions to battle deaths in all U.S. wars: 84.4 to 1

Number of Americans of all ages and races
murdered daily by handguns – 28
Number of American babies of all races
killed every day by abortion – 3,425
Ratio of babies killed by abortion to people killed by handguns:
122.3 to 1
Number of American of all ages who start smoking every day -- 3,000.
Percentage of smokers who will die prematurely 50-70 years later: 30%.
Percentage of babies killed by abortion this year: 23.2%.
Years of life expectancy lost by the average smoker - 7 years.
Years of life expectancy lost by the average aborted baby - 78 years.
Ratio: 11.1 to 1
Total years of life expectancy lost by aborted American babies
since 1967: 4.27 billion life years.
Total distance from one end of the universe to the other:
10 billion light years.
Suicide rate for women following a live birth: 5.9 per 100,000.
Suicide rate for women following an abortion: 34.7 per 100,000.
Increased risk: 488%
Increased risk of breast cancer in women who abort a first pregnancy: 100%.
Increased risk of breast cancer in women with 2 or more abortions: 300%.
Increased risk of breast cancer in women under 18 who abort: 150%
Increased risk of breast cancer in women under 18
with a family history of breast cancer who abort: 1000%

Percentage of adult men and women (18-64) who
have been involved in 1 or more abortions: 25% (1 out of 4)
Percentage of adult men and women (18-64)
who will admit to an abortion: 10% (1 out of 10)
Typical cost for an abortion in the United States today - $400
Estimated cost of preventing an abortion
through early education of young people - $25

Number of babies who could be saved by a $400 donation - 146
(Early education is the most cost effective way to prevent abortion)
Estimated future GDP gain of a baby saved from abortion: $25,000,000
Ratio to cost of an average abortion: 71,430 to 1

Est. total U.S. GDP loss to date for 56,605,430 abortions:
$50 trillion (2013)

Estimated future U.S. GDP loss by 2040 if abortion continues:
$400 trillion
Your share of this future loss: $1,290,325

Notes: Basic Data drawn from the U.S. Statistical Abstract, and World Almanac
with projections and analysis by the Movement for a Better America.
Abortion data based on published data from Guttmacher Institute.
For permission to distribute copies of The Abortion Index, write to:

Movement for a Better America
PO Box 472, Mt. Freedom, NJ 07970-0472

Show some respect.

I hate when people politicize something that needs to be kept clear of politics. This is about the death of the oldest known holocaust survivor.

I agree with Math here; the abortion post was in extremely poor taste.

(02-24-2014 11:26 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I agree with Math here; the abortion post was in extremely poor taste.

Agree some people have to bring their religion on the interwebz.

(02-24-2014 04:55 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/oldest...ies-n36851

This is pretty amazing and her attitude coudnt be better RIP. Angryaphid you are probably starting to feel pretty lonely!

It’s impossible to feel lonely with you constantly in my shadow.

(02-25-2014 07:46 AM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 11:26 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I agree with Math here; the abortion post was in extremely poor taste.

Agree some people have to bring their religion on the interwebz.

The issue is killing, not religion. Your comment mentions religion, not mine.

The lady who was the holocaust survivor found a way to preserve her life in the midst of mindless killing. I'm sure some of those in the camp she was in might well have said to her (or even yelled at her and the others playing) "What's the point? People are dying despite what you are doing."

I did not mention politics either, only quoted numbers of people killed in different scenarios to show the mind-boggling magnitude of what is being done and referenced the source. Like people mention the 6,000,000 killed in the Holocaust, but conveniently ignore the 20,000,000 killed by Stalin in Russia. Or the genocide in Africa, or in China, or South America, etc... etc...

If one is outraged about killing, then one is outraged about killing.

One can be an atheist and be against killing. Or for it, for that matter.
One can be apolitical or independent and against killing. Or for it for that matter.

The lady who was the Holocaust survivor chose to speak in the way she could, which was through music. Providing a light in the darkness, no matter how dark. Preserving some life instead of despairing that all was lost since so many had been killed already, and the killing was not stopping because of what she was doing. She did it anyway, and kept playing until her death.

In deference to your comments, I pared the original comment way down and moved the data to another thread.

My posting it was in response to the comment about people mass killing people. I don't know if you have a direct family connection to the Nazis tyranny or the Holocaust, but I do. Let's say killing the innocent of any category is a sensitive topic for me. Drawing parallels to educate the public at large so that people do not repeat the tragedies and atrocities of the past is the exact thing many people who survived fought so hard to do with the rest of their lives, in whatever ways they could.

(02-24-2014 07:40 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  No the real mass killings today are b/t christians and muslims in Africa.

Muslims and Christians in Africa. Muslims and Hindus in India. Muslims and Jews in Israel.

Coming over the horizon: Muslims and "nones" in Europe. Although the voluntarily plunging birth-rates among the "nones" will reduce the casualties.

(02-24-2014 07:58 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  I find it hard to believe that there are Holocaust deniers. How can someone deny something that happened when we have people still living who survived it and were first-hand witnesses to the slaughter?

I think, for some people, the sheer scale of the Holocaust just seems impossible to grasp. The "rational", "civilized" part of our consciousness recoils from the very idea of it.

One of Eisenhower's shrewdest decisions was to recognize -- immediately -- the need to get photographs and film of the death-camps while the survivors (and some of the dead) were still there in spring of 1945. Instinctively, Ike just knew that this (denial of what had actually happened) would be an issue (both at the time, and in the future) and he wanted to preserve as much evidence as he could.

(02-24-2014 04:55 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/oldest...ies-n36851

This is pretty amazing and her attitude coudnt be better RIP. Angryaphid you are probably starting to feel pretty lonely!

Saw this one yesterday as well...

Quote:Always hard to believe that a bunch of people could just kill a bunch of other people
because they do not like them; whether the Holocaust or mass other killings.

unfortunately, there are those kind of despots around the world that do just that.