While I fully believe that the administration gave those four men up, and then tried to hide the whole thing beneath their "al quada is on the run" narrative for the sake of an election . . . I don't know what good a minesweeper would have been that night.

(02-15-2014 06:29 PM)EagleX Wrote:  While I fully believe that the administration gave those four men up, and then tried to hide the whole thing beneath their "al quada is on the run" narrative for the sake of an election . . . I don't know what good a minesweeper would have been that night.

You've never been in the military, have you.

(02-15-2014 06:36 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 06:29 PM)EagleX Wrote:  While I fully believe that the administration gave those four men up, and then tried to hide the whole thing beneath their "al quada is on the run" narrative for the sake of an election . . . I don't know what good a minesweeper would have been that night.

You've never been in the military, have you.

tell ya what. let's skip the argument that we both know that comment was intended to provoke, and you just tell me why that would matter?

(02-15-2014 06:49 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 06:36 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 06:29 PM)EagleX Wrote:  While I fully believe that the administration gave those four men up, and then tried to hide the whole thing beneath their "al quada is on the run" narrative for the sake of an election . . . I don't know what good a minesweeper would have been that night.

You've never been in the military, have you.

tell ya what. let's skip the argument that we both know that comment was intended to provoke, and you just tell me why that would matter?

Let's not. Military people do not leave anyone behind to die. You'd know that if....... So skip the minesweeper usefulness, it's irrelevant.

(02-15-2014 07:05 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 06:49 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 06:36 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 06:29 PM)EagleX Wrote:  While I fully believe that the administration gave those four men up, and then tried to hide the whole thing beneath their "al quada is on the run" narrative for the sake of an election . . . I don't know what good a minesweeper would have been that night.

You've never been in the military, have you.

tell ya what. let's skip the argument that we both know that comment was intended to provoke, and you just tell me why that would matter?

Let's not. Military people do not leave anyone behind to die. You'd know that if....... So skip the minesweeper usefulness, it's irrelevant.

if you want to be pissed off about something, you should be pissed off about the ac-130 gunship that was supposedly in the area, yet not called in to dispatch the greasy little bastards off to meet their 72 virgins.

(02-15-2014 07:11 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 07:05 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 06:49 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 06:36 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 06:29 PM)EagleX Wrote:  While I fully believe that the administration gave those four men up, and then tried to hide the whole thing beneath their "al quada is on the run" narrative for the sake of an election . . . I don't know what good a minesweeper would have been that night.

You've never been in the military, have you.

tell ya what. let's skip the argument that we both know that comment was intended to provoke, and you just tell me why that would matter?

Let's not. Military people do not leave anyone behind to die. You'd know that if....... So skip the minesweeper usefulness, it's irrelevant.

if you want to be pissed off about something, you should be pissed off about the ac-130 gunship that was supposedly in the area, yet not called in to dispatch the greasy little bastards off to meet their 72 virgins.

The point is not the assets, soldiers, Americans, were left unaided, to die, because the lack of civilian leadership and their political goal to be re elected. It's is the ugly truth.

(02-15-2014 07:25 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 07:11 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 07:05 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 06:49 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 06:36 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  You've never been in the military, have you.

tell ya what. let's skip the argument that we both know that comment was intended to provoke, and you just tell me why that would matter?

Let's not. Military people do not leave anyone behind to die. You'd know that if....... So skip the minesweeper usefulness, it's irrelevant.

if you want to be pissed off about something, you should be pissed off about the ac-130 gunship that was supposedly in the area, yet not called in to dispatch the greasy little bastards off to meet their 72 virgins.

The point is not the assets, soldiers, Americans, were left unaided, to die, because the lack of civilian leadership and their political goal to be re elected. It's is the ugly truth.

exactly. left to die for political reasons. sacrificed for an election. in an attack that the c-130 could have stopped, and the minesweeper simply could not have.

I think that point really is inescapable.

(02-15-2014 01:02 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 01:00 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  Democrats sure are the only ones who let Americans overseas die on their watch.

Oh wait.

January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al Qaeda attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of "Bali Bombings." No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name "David Foy." This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what's considered American soil.)

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting "Allahu akbar" storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

March 18, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

September 17, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

I did not see a dead US ambassador in there, hmmmmm.

Nor do I see the administration standing down *while* hostilities were ongoing against US soil...

Lets face it you can't stop a suicide bomber and his attack takes seconds. The Bengazi situation was a siege...

(02-15-2014 01:02 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 01:02 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 01:00 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  Democrats sure are the only ones who let Americans overseas die on their watch.

Oh wait.

January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al Qaeda attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of "Bali Bombings." No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name "David Foy." This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what's considered American soil.)

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting "Allahu akbar" storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

March 18, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

September 17, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

I did not see a US ambassador in there, hmmmmm.

Good argument. Move those goal posts, kiddo.

Let = Allow / Permit... Show me in your examples where there were US forces both within range and who had time to act...

(02-16-2014 12:01 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 01:02 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 01:02 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 01:00 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  Democrats sure are the only ones who let Americans overseas die on their watch.

Oh wait.

January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al Qaeda attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of "Bali Bombings." No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name "David Foy." This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what's considered American soil.)

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting "Allahu akbar" storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

March 18, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

September 17, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

I did not see a US ambassador in there, hmmmmm.

Good argument. Move those goal posts, kiddo.

Let = Allow / Permit... Show me in your examples where there were US forces both within range and who had time to act...

the attack lasted for hours and hours. then, it moved on to the cia annex. you do understand that we have solved the mystery of flight, right?

(02-16-2014 12:10 AM)EagleX Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 12:01 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 01:02 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 01:02 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 01:00 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  Democrats sure are the only ones who let Americans overseas die on their watch.

Oh wait.

January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al Qaeda attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of "Bali Bombings." No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name "David Foy." This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what's considered American soil.)

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting "Allahu akbar" storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

March 18, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

September 17, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

I did not see a US ambassador in there, hmmmmm.

Good argument. Move those goal posts, kiddo.

Let = Allow / Permit... Show me in your examples where there were US forces both within range and who had time to act...

the attack lasted for hours and hours. then, it moved on to the cia annex. you do understand that we have solved the mystery of flight, right?

The shame of it is that this administration didn't even try to rescue them.

If the US had acted immediately, we had hours to try and rescue. The two Navy seals in the area, that had to disobey orders to go offer aid to their fellow countrymen in danger, did save the lives of some of those in the annex by providing cover to allow them to flee. The casualties of Benghazi would've likely been worse, had those two brave heroes not defied the orders to stand down and offered aid.

I wonder to this day, had the two seals survived, if they'd have been court marshaled for disobeying orders.
What true American, in the same situation, wouldn't have gone to try and help? (hint: a coward or someone who cares more about politics than the lives of their fellow Americans - I'm pointing at you Barack and Hillary.)

I also wonder why we haven't heard interviews from the survivors of the attack. We have heard from survivors of Fort Hood, Sandy Hill, Twin Towers, Pentagon, etc. but not Benghazi?

Why are the Benghazi survivors being kept quiet? Why don't we know their names?

(02-15-2014 01:00 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  Democrats sure are the only ones who let Americans overseas die on their watch.

Oh wait.

January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al Qaeda attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of "Bali Bombings." No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name "David Foy." This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what's considered American soil.)

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting "Allahu akbar" storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

March 18, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

September 17, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

Pssst. The left's answer to W was Obama. Eye on the ball, please.

(02-16-2014 08:47 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 12:10 AM)EagleX Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 12:01 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 01:02 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 01:02 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  I did not see a US ambassador in there, hmmmmm.

Good argument. Move those goal posts, kiddo.

Let = Allow / Permit... Show me in your examples where there were US forces both within range and who had time to act...

the attack lasted for hours and hours. then, it moved on to the cia annex. you do understand that we have solved the mystery of flight, right?

The shame of it is that this administration didn't even try to rescue them.

If the US had acted immediately, we had hours to try and rescue. The two Navy seals in the area, that had to disobey orders to go offer aid to their fellow countrymen in danger, did save the lives of some of those in the annex by providing cover to allow them to flee. The casualties of Benghazi would've likely been worse, had those two brave heroes not defied the orders to stand down and offered aid.

I wonder to this day, had the two seals survived, if they'd have been court marshaled for disobeying orders.
What true American, in the same situation, wouldn't have gone to try and help? (hint: a coward or someone who cares more about politics than the lives of their fellow Americans - I'm pointing at you Barack and Hillary.)

I also wonder why we haven't heard interviews from the survivors of the attack. We have heard from survivors of Fort Hood, Sandy Hill, Twin Towers, Pentagon, etc. but not Benghazi?

Why are the Benghazi survivors being kept quiet? Why don't we know their names?

You get it, many others don't and never will. Even with the facts staring them in the face, they will default to the Barry/Killary/NYT version, it was a video, move along.