I lost my best friend to a heroin overdose a few years back and I actually know one of the people in this article quite well.

(02-17-2014 11:06 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 09:08 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 06:37 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  docs rarely ask if a patient has a family history of addiction or abuse and even if they do they take the patients word for it - what else can they do?

I've actually had a surgeon, very we'll known and respected, tell me it is his belief that one cannot become addicted to meds. Great surgeon, but I question that belief.

I would question using that surgeon if that's his belief. That's ridiculous.

Maybe he was strictly referring to a biochemical addiction and the physiological effects of dependency.
Anything can become an object of psychological addiction.

(02-16-2014 03:48 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  We live in a society that has come to believe that if there is a problem...there is a pill to solve it.

I missed where your username was uofmcamaro M.D.

I'll let my physician make those calls instead of an internet tough guy.

Now that Methamphetamine is harder to manufacture, they're importing it from Mexico. A la Walter White, the imported stuff is much stronger than the stuff made in trailer parks. Its already caused a few deaths in West Tennessee already.

I don't believe its hard to get anxiety medication or painkillers. I've been offered both by multiple providers.

(02-18-2014 11:50 AM)JTiger Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 03:48 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  We live in a society that has come to believe that if there is a problem...there is a pill to solve it.

I missed where your username was uofmcamaro M.D.

I'll let my physician make those calls instead of an internet tough guy.

I missed where not having a M.D. means that I cannot research and form an opinion...and express that opinion, Mr Internet Tougher Guy


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(02-18-2014 01:24 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 11:50 AM)JTiger Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 03:48 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  We live in a society that has come to believe that if there is a problem...there is a pill to solve it.

I missed where your username was uofmcamaro M.D.

I'll let my physician make those calls instead of an internet tough guy.

I missed where not having a M.D. means that I cannot research and form an opinion...and express that opinion, Mr Internet Tougher Guy


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No kidding. And you are certainly not the only one who shares said opinion.

(02-18-2014 01:24 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 11:50 AM)JTiger Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 03:48 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  We live in a society that has come to believe that if there is a problem...there is a pill to solve it.

I missed where your username was uofmcamaro M.D.

I'll let my physician make those calls instead of an internet tough guy.

I missed where not having a M.D. means that I cannot research and form an opinion...and express that opinion, Mr Internet Tougher Guy


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(02-16-2014 03:48 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  We live in a society that has come to believe that if there is a problem...there is a pill to solve it.

Thank God for that. My Mom lived the last 10 years of her life on morphine because of back problems suffered in an auto accident and after three surgeries they couldn't do any more to help.

She was a nurse and never took more than she was instructed to, but sometimes I could see she was still in pain and I worried that she might start taking more to make it go away.

(02-18-2014 02:19 PM)JTiger Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 01:24 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 11:50 AM)JTiger Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 03:48 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  We live in a society that has come to believe that if there is a problem...there is a pill to solve it.

I missed where your username was uofmcamaro M.D.

I'll let my physician make those calls instead of an internet tough guy.

I missed where not having a M.D. means that I cannot research and form an opinion...and express that opinion, Mr Internet Tougher Guy


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Maybe I wouldn't have these problems if a doctor would just push me some Xanax?


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(02-18-2014 03:01 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 02:19 PM)JTiger Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 01:24 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 11:50 AM)JTiger Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 03:48 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  We live in a society that has come to believe that if there is a problem...there is a pill to solve it.

I missed where your username was uofmcamaro M.D.

I'll let my physician make those calls instead of an internet tough guy.

I missed where not having a M.D. means that I cannot research and form an opinion...and express that opinion, Mr Internet Tougher Guy


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Touche

(02-16-2014 04:40 PM)mphstiger79 Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 03:56 PM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  

(02-16-2014 03:48 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  We live in a society that has come to believe that if there is a problem...there is a pill to solve it.

Probably coming from someone who does not have to live with chronic daily pain.

Tanya I'm sure you remember what camaro went through with his wife before they got married. If I remember correctly they weren't sure if she was going to make it.

I don't think those are the kind of instances he is talking about. I think he means we go to dr with issues and the easy way out is to give mess instead of working with other ways to fix the issue.

For instance, bp and cholesterol. I'm going to use my husband for instance. His problem is his eating habits and no exercise. His dr has not put him on any diet or exercise just gave him pills. This has been at least a year ago. He didn't start both at the same time. A few month ago he had a check up and had high numbers for everything and was prediabetic. I put him on a strict diet and cut out all of his sweets. All he was allowed was fruits and veggies and lean meats. Guess what his numbers came back down. If he would listen to me and eat a healthy diet and exercise he could get off of the pills.

His other problem is sleep and of course dr gives him pill for that. He has been on that for as long as I've known him. Now he is afraid he can't sleep without it. I have had him cut down before to a qrtr pill and he slept fine but he always slowly goes back. I know his dr knows this isn't good but doesn't feel like putting in the work to cut him back.

I think this is what camaro meant. Pills are the easy fix for dr. Give to us and we get out the door and they can move on to the next. And that may be the problem too. They have so many patients that they don't have the time they really need to take to deal with us.

Docs get vacations, meals, on and on, and their staffs get lunches, credit cards on and on from Big Pharma. I think that's one reason they overprescribe some of everything.

One of my family members was prescribed Xanax and Ambien for five years. FIVE YEARS! He got totally hooked and spent a year of hell just trying to detox, which most American docs have no clue about. They all thought he was schizophrenic and misread the symptoms of detoxing. A slow taper is not in their vocabulary.

Anyway, this same doc has tons of patients that he prescribes this stuff to. I think it all depends on the doctor. There seem to be plenty who are willing to hand out stuff like candy. Every time I have a tooth pulled or a kidney stone, I am given a big ole bottle of hydrocodone or Tramadol when all I really need is one or two.

And yet, marijuana is still illegal for sick people in most states. Why? Big Pharma hasn't figured a way to make money off of it and it competes with all their little pills. There are lots of pharmacologic uses of the weed that we have not yet begun to tap.

(02-18-2014 03:12 PM)JTiger Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 03:01 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 02:19 PM)JTiger Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 01:24 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 11:50 AM)JTiger Wrote:  I missed where your username was uofmcamaro M.D.

I'll let my physician make those calls instead of an internet tough guy.

I missed where not having a M.D. means that I cannot research and form an opinion...and express that opinion, Mr Internet Tougher Guy


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Touche

Some people need meds...plain and simple. I would not be able to work and would have to go on disability If it wasn't for migraine meds. My insurance company, as most, will only cover 9 pills a month. Many days I have to take 2. Do the math.....hello pain meds. I do NOT take them unless I have to. Constant pain causes high blood pressure.....hello blood pressure meds. It also causes depression and anxiety.....hello xanax. I choose to work and live my life, even though it's completely different from most. Without my meds I would be in bed in the dark room 90%of my life.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/201...l-mill.mem

(02-19-2014 11:19 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/201...l-mill.mem

Bad link.

(02-19-2014 08:04 AM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  Some people need meds...plain and simple. I would not be able to work and would have to go on disability If it wasn't for migraine meds. My insurance company, as most, will only cover 9 pills a month. Many days I have to take 2. Do the math.....hello pain meds. I do NOT take them unless I have to. Constant pain causes high blood pressure.....hello blood pressure meds. It also causes depression and anxiety.....hello xanax. I choose to work and live my life, even though it's completely different from most. Without my meds I would be in bed in the dark room 90%of my life.

Are you using Immitrex? My wife used to be down 2 or 3 days when she had a migraine, back 20 years ago. Late 90s her doctor started prescribing Immitrex and it has been a life saver. If she feels a migraine coming she can pop one of these and go on about her day.

There were times when I had to give her an Immitrex injection, but those days are over.

Most of Elvis Presley's pain medication stemmed from migraines. What irritates migraines? Loud noises, bright lights? It was tough for him before we had these medications.

(02-19-2014 11:53 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(02-19-2014 08:04 AM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  Some people need meds...plain and simple. I would not be able to work and would have to go on disability If it wasn't for migraine meds. My insurance company, as most, will only cover 9 pills a month. Many days I have to take 2. Do the math.....hello pain meds. I do NOT take them unless I have to. Constant pain causes high blood pressure.....hello blood pressure meds. It also causes depression and anxiety.....hello xanax. I choose to work and live my life, even though it's completely different from most. Without my meds I would be in bed in the dark room 90%of my life.

Are you using Immitrex? My wife used to be down 2 or 3 days when she had a migraine, back 20 years ago. Late 90s her doctor started prescribing Immitrex and it has been a life saver. If she feels a migraine coming she can pop one of these and go on about her day.

There were times when I had to give her an Immitrex injection, but those days are over.

Most of Elvis Presley's pain medication stemmed from migraines. What irritates migraines? Loud noises, bright lights? It was tough for him before we had these medications.

Yes, I take imitrex. But as I said, insurance will only pay for 9 a month. 9 pills generic cost $200. Some days I have to take 2. I am lucky my specialist fought with my insurance company and I can get 9 a week now....again though with daily migraines it's still not enough and imitrex works for me only 50% of the time. I too had injections, not fun. Doctors have not been able to figure out what triggers mine, pretty much everything and nothing. I just wake up with them....go to sleep with them. Seems like they are there all the time. It's a ***** really.

Eating less processed food can do wonders for your health. I've read a lot about weed being helpful too.

(02-19-2014 07:17 PM)tigerbmw Wrote:  Eating less processed food can do wonders for your health. I've read a lot about weed being helpful too.

Scary combination. Weed => munchies => Cheetos => processed food.