every parent should see this story and recognize that the use of heroin by young people (ALL OF THEM NO MATTER WHAT PART OF TOWN THEY LIVE IN) is exploding. its tragic when the gateway drugs for addicts are now provided by physicians so many times. something must be done to require more pre-screening and follow up exams when opiates are prescribed with limits placed on the doseages and AMOUNTS.
(02-16-2014 10:29 AM)tigerjeb Wrote: [ -> ]every parent should see this story and recognize that the use of heroin by young people (ALL OF THEM NO MATTER WHAT PART OF TOWN THEY LIVE IN) is exploding. its tragic when the gateway drugs for addicts are now provided by physicians so many times. something must be done to require more pre-screening and follow up exams when opiates are prescribed with limits placed on the doseages and AMOUNTS.
You would not believe how much is done already. You can't get your pain meds from your regular physician any more or even a specialist. Pain clinics popping up all over the place. Drug testing every visit. And who suffers? People that really need it to get through the day, normal everyday people that keep working that otherwise couldn't if if wasn't for pain meds. My father is one example. He is in so much pain every day and that my mom made me take his gun home with me because there are times that he just wants it all to stop. I don't know what the answer is, but even more extensive screening is not one of them.
(02-16-2014 11:48 AM)Tanyaskees Wrote: [ -> ] (02-16-2014 10:29 AM)tigerjeb Wrote: [ -> ]every parent should see this story and recognize that the use of heroin by young people (ALL OF THEM NO MATTER WHAT PART OF TOWN THEY LIVE IN) is exploding. its tragic when the gateway drugs for addicts are now provided by physicians so many times. something must be done to require more pre-screening and follow up exams when opiates are prescribed with limits placed on the doseages and AMOUNTS.
You would not believe how much is done already. You can't get your pain meds from your regular physician any more or even a specialist. Pain clinics popping up all over the place. Drug testing every visit. And who suffers? People that really need it to get through the day, normal everyday people that keep working that otherwise couldn't if if wasn't for pain meds. My father is one example. He is in so much pain every day and that my mom made me take his gun home with me because there are times that he just wants it all to stop. I don't know what the answer is, but even more extensive screening is not one of them.
Exactly right Tanya, the oversight now is suffocating for those who truly need pain meds.
Americans have too much access to meds in general.
Quote:Experts say most of those prescriptions are unnecessary. The United States makes up only 4.6 percent of the world's population, but consumes 80 percent of its opioids -- and 99 percent of the world's hydrocodone, the opiate that is in Vicodin.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/prescription-pa...d=13421828
We live in a society that has come to believe that if there is a problem...there is a pill to solve it.
It was a great article. My biggest takeaway was my happiness the little boy seems to be in great health.
(02-16-2014 03:48 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote: [ -> ]We live in a society that has come to believe that if there is a problem...there is a pill to solve it.
Probably coming from someone who does not have to live with chronic daily pain.
(02-16-2014 03:56 PM)Tanyaskees Wrote: [ -> ] (02-16-2014 03:48 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote: [ -> ]We live in a society that has come to believe that if there is a problem...there is a pill to solve it.
Probably coming from someone who does not have to live with chronic daily pain.
Probably making assumptions about someone you know nothing about.
My spouse has had her colon removed, sees a pain doctor monthly, gets nerve blocks, and is on pain patches....but that doesn't change my opinion.
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Read the article, googled around and found this:
Quote:nearly 1 ER visit ever 2 minutes due to heroin.
abc world news with Dianne Sawyer
source: SAMHSA.2011
(02-16-2014 03:56 PM)Tanyaskees Wrote: [ -> ] (02-16-2014 03:48 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote: [ -> ]We live in a society that has come to believe that if there is a problem...there is a pill to solve it.
Probably coming from someone who does not have to live with chronic daily pain.
Tanya I'm sure you remember what camaro went through with his wife before they got married. If I remember correctly they weren't sure if she was going to make it.
I don't think those are the kind of instances he is talking about. I think he means we go to dr with issues and the easy way out is to give mess instead of working with other ways to fix the issue.
For instance, bp and cholesterol. I'm going to use my husband for instance. His problem is his eating habits and no exercise. His dr has not put him on any diet or exercise just gave him pills. This has been at least a year ago. He didn't start both at the same time. A few month ago he had a check up and had high numbers for everything and was prediabetic. I put him on a strict diet and cut out all of his sweets. All he was allowed was fruits and veggies and lean meats. Guess what his numbers came back down. If he would listen to me and eat a healthy diet and exercise he could get off of the pills.
His other problem is sleep and of course dr gives him pill for that. He has been on that for as long as I've known him. Now he is afraid he can't sleep without it. I have had him cut down before to a qrtr pill and he slept fine but he always slowly goes back. I know his dr knows this isn't good but doesn't feel like putting in the work to cut him back.
I think this is what camaro meant. Pills are the easy fix for dr. Give to us and we get out the door and they can move on to the next. And that may be the problem too. They have so many patients that they don't have the time they really need to take to deal with us.
docs rarely ask if a patient has a family history of addiction or abuse and even if they do they take the patients word for it - what else can they do?
(02-16-2014 03:58 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote: [ -> ] (02-16-2014 03:56 PM)Tanyaskees Wrote: [ -> ] (02-16-2014 03:48 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote: [ -> ]We live in a society that has come to believe that if there is a problem...there is a pill to solve it.
Probably coming from someone who does not have to live with chronic daily pain.
Probably making assumptions about someone you know nothing about.
My spouse has had her colon removed, sees a pain doctor monthly, gets nerve blocks, and is on pain patches....but that doesn't change my opinion.
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I didn't know, that's why I said probably. I am sorry about your wife.
(02-16-2014 06:48 PM)Tanyaskees Wrote: [ -> ] (02-16-2014 03:58 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote: [ -> ] (02-16-2014 03:56 PM)Tanyaskees Wrote: [ -> ] (02-16-2014 03:48 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote: [ -> ]We live in a society that has come to believe that if there is a problem...there is a pill to solve it.
Probably coming from someone who does not have to live with chronic daily pain.
Probably making assumptions about someone you know nothing about.
My spouse has had her colon removed, sees a pain doctor monthly, gets nerve blocks, and is on pain patches....but that doesn't change my opinion.
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I didn't know, that's why I said probably. I am sorry about your wife.
No need to apologize Tanya...my apologies for clicking off like I did.
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(02-16-2014 06:37 PM)tigerjeb Wrote: [ -> ]docs rarely ask if a patient has a family history of addiction or abuse and even if they do they take the patients word for it - what else can they do?
I've actually had a surgeon, very we'll known and respected, tell me it is his belief that one cannot become addicted to meds. Great surgeon, but I question that belief.
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(02-16-2014 09:06 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote: [ -> ] (02-16-2014 06:48 PM)Tanyaskees Wrote: [ -> ] (02-16-2014 03:58 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote: [ -> ] (02-16-2014 03:56 PM)Tanyaskees Wrote: [ -> ] (02-16-2014 03:48 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote: [ -> ]We live in a society that has come to believe that if there is a problem...there is a pill to solve it.
Probably coming from someone who does not have to live with chronic daily pain.
Probably making assumptions about someone you know nothing about.
My spouse has had her colon removed, sees a pain doctor monthly, gets nerve blocks, and is on pain patches....but that doesn't change my opinion.
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I didn't know, that's why I said probably. I am sorry about your wife.
No need to apologize Tanya...my apologies for clicking off like I did.
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Thank you, it's just really really difficult watching someone you love in constant pain, as you know. And there is not a damn thing you can do to help them.
(02-16-2014 09:08 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote: [ -> ] (02-16-2014 06:37 PM)tigerjeb Wrote: [ -> ]docs rarely ask if a patient has a family history of addiction or abuse and even if they do they take the patients word for it - what else can they do?
I've actually had a surgeon, very we'll known and respected, tell me it is his belief that one cannot become addicted to meds. Great surgeon, but I question that belief.
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Seriously?
That is crazy. Of course people can become addicted. That's the whole point of this thread.
I would love to know which surgeon told you that. Complete BS. It's not always the "illegal" drugs that cause death.
This stuff with pills and addiction is not new. Lest we remember what killed Memphis' favorite son back in 1977.
(02-16-2014 09:08 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote: [ -> ] (02-16-2014 06:37 PM)tigerjeb Wrote: [ -> ]docs rarely ask if a patient has a family history of addiction or abuse and even if they do they take the patients word for it - what else can they do?
I've actually had a surgeon, very we'll known and respected, tell me it is his belief that one cannot become addicted to meds. Great surgeon, but I question that belief.
I would question using that surgeon if that's his belief. That's ridiculous.
After he graduated from CBHS it was shocking how many of his classmates he told me were on meds. Most started by stealing their parents' stash. At least one is no longer with us.