And now it is now longer "global warming", but "climate chage". The left eco nutjobs have been proved to be idiots, but they will never admit it. Time for this board's resident eco idiot to chime in.

Ice continued to build this past week on the Great Lakes due to the cold air and temperatures staying below freezing, and Lake Superior's new record shows it.

The lake is 92 percent frozen, toppling a 20-year-old record of 91 percent set on Feb. 5, 1994. That statistic helped total Great Lakes ice cover soar, and we can expect to see more form in coming days.

The air temperatures this past week averaged around five degrees below normal for the Great Lakes area. This amount of deviation from normal means it was a fairly cold week.

As of February 5, 2014, the entire Great Lakes system is now reportedly covered 77 percent with ice, according to the Great Lakes Environmental Research Laboratory. Last week at this time the ice cover was 66 percent. The 77 percent ice cover now still lags behind 1994, when the entire Great Lakes system had an average ice cover of 84 percent on February 5. This data is according to Jia Wang, physical oceanographer at the Great Lakes Environmental Research Center in Ann Arbor, MI.

Let's look at each individual lake.

Lake Superior

Lake Superior is almost frozen over as of yesterday February 5, 2014. Lake Superior is 92 percent covered with ice now. The ice has increased rapidly in the past week, from 76 percent ice cover on January 30, 2014. The high resolution satellite picture from February 3, 2014 shows all of the ice cover on Lake Superior. The current ice cover on Lake Superior is the highest amount ever for February 5. In 1994, Lake Superior was reportedly 91 percent covered in ice.

Lake Michigan

Lake Michigan is now 51 percent covered with ice, as opposed to 42 percent at this time last week. Coyotes were seen walking on the ice just offshore of Chicago this week. This makes us wonder if the lakes freeze over totally, will animals from Canada be able to cross over Lake Huron or Lake Superior, and enter Michigan. It is thought that this is how the last wolverine spotted in Michigan made it into Michigan. Lake Michigan has been covered with more ice on this date in the past. In 1977 and 1996, Lake Michigan was up to 74 percent ice covered.

More: A first-hand look of ice on the Great Lakes from a U.S. Coast Guard Cutter

Lake Huron

Ice cover on Lake Huron rocketed up an additional 14 percent this week, climbing to a total ice cover of 86 percent. If the ice continues to build at that rate in this next week, Lake Huron could be almost frozen over, or frozen over by the end of next week. People ice fishing are reporting 24 inches of ice on Saginaw Bay near Bay City. Lake Huron has been as much at 95 percent covered in ice on this date back in 1981 and 1994.

Lake Erie

Lake Erie is the shallowest of the Great Lakes, with an average depth of 62 feet and a maximum depth of 210 feet. It also has the least volume of any Great Lake, with 116 cubic miles of water. So it should come as no surprise that Lake Erie currently has the highest percentage of ice cover. Lake Erie is 96 percent covered with ice. Last week at this time Lake Erie had 94 percent ice cover. Erie was entirely ice covered on February 5, 1996.

Lake Ontario

Lake Ontario is an interesting lake. It is the smallest Great Lake when it comes to surface area, but actually holds more than three times the amount of water when compared to Lake Erie. The average depth of Lake Ontario is 283 feet, making it the second deepest Great Lake behind Lake Superior. The deepest spot in Lake Ontario is 802 feet. The ice cover on Lake Ontario is the lowest of any of the Great Lakes, with only 32 percent covered in ice. Last week at this time, Lake Ontario had 27 percent ice cover. Lake Ontario has been covered with as much as 79 percent ice up to this point in the winter in 1994.

Will ice continue to grow?

The ice cover should continue to grow at a rapid rate based on temperatures expected in the next few weeks. You may not want to hear this, but I don't see several days in a row cracking the freezing mark until at least February 21. There could be a few hours above freezing late next week, but that won't slow the ice growth. Also, the weather pattern is going to be fairly quiet in the next two weeks. This means lower wind speeds around the Great Lakes, which should help accelerate ice cover growth.

It is going to be close, but we may be living in a historic winter with regards to amount of Great Lakes ice.

We will see some fascinating ice sculptures if we get a big wind that breaks the ice, and piles it up.

We will also be fascinated when the ice has melted, and we see spring.
Mark Torregrossa has been the chief meteorologist for three television news stations in Michigan. A resident of the state for 20 years, he has also gardened since the age of ten and is an avid hunter. Email him at [email protected] and find him on Facebook at facebook.com/mark.torregrossa and Twitter

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Two threads about Global Warming this week? Oh joy.

(02-07-2014 08:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Two threads about Global Warming this week? Oh joy.

Come on, for a left winger, you are not towing the company line with that response.

(02-07-2014 09:12 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 08:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Two threads about Global Warming this week? Oh joy.

Come on, for a left winger, you are not towing the company line with that response.

Is this a good time to explain to you that weather isn't the same as climate?

(02-07-2014 09:19 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 09:12 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 08:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Two threads about Global Warming this week? Oh joy.

Come on, for a left winger, you are not towing the company line with that response.

Is this a good time to explain to you that weather isn't the same as climate?

Is this a good time to explain to you that climate has been changing on this earth for thousands of years?

(02-07-2014 08:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Two threads about Global Warming this week? Oh joy.

Climate Change Fit... Climate Change...

(02-07-2014 09:48 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 08:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Two threads about Global Warming this week? Oh joy.

Climate Change Fit... Climate Change...

So by climate change does that mean that the earth warms and cools or just cools?

(02-07-2014 09:19 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 09:12 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 08:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Two threads about Global Warming this week? Oh joy.

Come on, for a left winger, you are not towing the company line with that response.

Is this a good time to explain to you that weather isn't the same as climate?

That's not the argument libs use when it's abnormally hot out, or when we have tornados, hurricanes, or droughts.

So let me ask you, what is the temperature of the Earth supposed to be?

(02-07-2014 09:50 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 09:48 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 08:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Two threads about Global Warming this week? Oh joy.

Climate Change Fit... Climate Change...

So by climate change does that mean that the earth warms and cools or just cools?

It means whatever the Green Gestapo wants it to mean..

I can't believe what I just read.....really can't

snapshots in time used to describe long term issues/consequences that we don't understand yet due to lack of data as a thread......

absolutely amazing....

(02-08-2014 02:48 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  I can't believe what I just read.....really can't

snapshots in time used to describe long term issues/consequences that we don't understand yet due to lack of data as a thread......

absolutely amazing....

Then provide us with enough data that people can agree on to convince the world that climate change is happening and is attributable to mankind.
Not really sure that a thread is the place for it, and certainly doesn't have the room. But if it is amazing that we do not think the way you think we should then somehow we must be wrong. So change everyone's minds. I was wrong once; but then I realized I was mistaken about being wrong.

(02-08-2014 02:48 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  I can't believe what I just read.....really can't

snapshots in time used to describe long term issues/consequences that we don't understand yet due to lack of data as a thread......

absolutely amazing....

Since you're fairly new here in this forum............in a Nutshell what has been going on in a multitude of threads here is that the "Climate Change ne Global Warming" crowd has been saying is that man is changing the climate and we (the United States) needs to take immediate steps to reverse this from happening.

What most everyone else here is/has said is - of course the climate is changing, it has done so for millions of years. Man's impact is debatable at best given the short period of time we have any accurate data on. Moreover, even if man is impacting the climate, to what degree is the impact and additionally, do they really expect us to supply all of our energy needs with solar and wind? Really, just can all the fossil fuels?

That is why we have so many sarcastic comments in this thread and why I also suspect the "Global Warmists" have been rather quiet - given that a good portion of the US has been living in an icebox for much longer than we would like.................................

Unless you live on the shores of one of the Great Lakes (as I have for some 69 winters), you might not know about the truly deleterious effect of lake ice. Simply, the lack of a spring season.

When the lakes are relatively warm in late fall, and a cold air mass passes over the warmer water, moisture is sucked into the atmosphere and causes the massive, and legendary, lake effect snow storms. These are reported by the Weather Channel and others.

When the lake is frozen over, it takes substantial warmth to thaw that ice which can be 20 feet thick. Yet the warmer spring air is cooled by the ice which results in cold springs and late summers.

I've seen ice in Lake Erie in May and expect that to occur again this year.

(02-08-2014 08:16 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 02:48 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  I can't believe what I just read.....really can't

snapshots in time used to describe long term issues/consequences that we don't understand yet due to lack of data as a thread......

absolutely amazing....

Since you're fairly new here in this forum............in a Nutshell what has been going on in a multitude of threads here is that the "Climate Change ne Global Warming" crowd has been saying is that man is changing the climate and we (the United States) needs to take immediate steps to reverse this from happening.

What most everyone else here is/has said is - of course the climate is changing, it has done so for millions of years. Man's impact is debatable at best given the short period of time we have any accurate data on. Moreover, even if man is impacting the climate, to what degree is the impact and additionally, do they really expect us to supply all of our energy needs with solar and wind? Really, just can all the fossil fuels?

That is why we have so many sarcastic comments in this thread and why I also suspect the "Global Warmists" have been rather quiet - given that a good portion of the US has been living in an icebox for much longer than we would like.................................

You're an idiot. Just like the all the other AGW deniers. The fact the lakes froze early and the eastern US has been very cold is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. The arctic was baking last month (relatively speaking), and the global mean was once again above the long-term average.

Global warming deniers believe that climate scientists are all in a grand conspiracy to lie to the entire world about the climate - the very thing they are dedicated to studying and reporting the truth about. Of course it would only take one scientist exposing the scientific truth to break that massive conspiracy, so it's also the most cohesive massive conspiracy of all time. You're all idiots. You go ahead and follow the politicians and pundits. Those of us who have functioning brains will follow the science.

(02-08-2014 09:57 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Global warming deniers believe that climate scientists are all in a grand conspiracy to lie to the entire world about the climate - the very thing they are dedicated to studying and reporting the truth about....

and whose very funding is dependent on claims that the sky is falling, and whose research has often been found to be manipulated or to be outright fraudulent in order to keep the coffers open.

Hey, by the way I have a yurt to sell you, any interest? Because it would help if you lived a lifestyle more in tune with your demands of all humanity.

Stop posting would be a good first step.

I mean, how can you justify using coal-fired electricity to power your computer, a computer that uses metals mined from the ground by evil corporations and built out of petroleum (egad!) based plastics?

You are a hypocrite.

And as such, until your lifestyle choices show the same urgency and commitment that you and your ilk demand of everyone else on earth except yourself, you are nothing but a risible little man of no conviction.

(02-08-2014 10:17 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 09:57 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Global warming deniers believe that climate scientists are all in a grand conspiracy to lie to the entire world about the climate - the very thing they are dedicated to studying and reporting the truth about....

and whose very funding is dependent on claims that the sky is falling, and whose research has often been found to be manipulated or to be outright fraudulent in order to keep the coffers open.

Hey, by the way I have a yurt to sell you, any interest? Because it would help if you lived a lifestyle more in tune with your demands of all humanity.

Stop posting would be a good first step.

I mean, how can you justify using coal-fired electricity to power your computer, a computer that uses metals mined from the ground by evil corporations and built out of petroleum (egad!) based plastics?

You are a hypocrite.

And as such, until your lifestyle choices show the same urgency and commitment that you and your ilk demand of everyone else on earth except yourself, you are nothing but a risible little man of no conviction.

As I said, right-wing thinking on AGW, like most all topics, is based in conspiracy theory. It is your contention that thousands of climate scientists, who don't know each other, have all decided to apply for research grants (which fund research not their personal lives or living expenses, which put no demands on the outcome, and which would be available regardless of what the data say), they do the work for these grants, collect and analyze the data, then they ALL decide to lie about what the data says. That's your argument - a grand conspiracy theory.

Let's pretend for a minute that you're not a complete dumba$$ and are instead a climate scientist. If you wanted to make some serious money and get seriously famous, are you better off writing yet another paper that provides evidence of AGW (which you are saying is a lie) or are you better off blowing the whistle and telling what you think is the truth (no AGW)? The scientist who provided solid scientific evidence against AGW would be rich and famous. So where is that scientist? IF AGW is a big lie, isn't there at least one scientist who can produce quality evidence that it is a lie? Or maybe that evidence just doesn't exist. The financial incentive isn't to continue publishing papers supporting AGW. The financial incentive is to prove AGW wrong and cash in from every oil, gas, and coal company on the planet.

Your claim that AGW has "often been found to be manipulated or outright fraudulent" is just stupid. It's a stupid lie repeated by stupid people. Apparently, that's you. In the real world (where conspiracy theories aren't the norm), credible allegations of manipulation of fraud in research is met with independent investigations. Those investigations have occurred and have found no material manipulation or fraud. Of course truth means nothing to you right-wingers. You're hellbent on making sure the planet you give to the future is less hospitable to human habitation so that you can have cheaper energy now and the more comfortable life that provides.

You, and your ilk, are dishonest, stupid, greedy bastards. In other words, typical right-wingers.

(02-08-2014 06:35 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(02-08-2014 02:48 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  I can't believe what I just read.....really can't

snapshots in time used to describe long term issues/consequences that we don't understand yet due to lack of data as a thread......

absolutely amazing....

Then provide us with enough data that people can agree on to convince the world that climate change is happening and is attributable to mankind.
Not really sure that a thread is the place for it, and certainly doesn't have the room. But if it is amazing that we do not think the way you think we should then somehow we must be wrong. So change everyone's minds. I was wrong once; but then I realized I was mistaken about being wrong.

that's not my job nor my area of expertise.....

you whiffed the point where I stated "don't understand it yet"

so rock on with rhetoric....I'll put my judgmental value in the people that have been trained to figure out what the hell is going in an attempt to provide a solution if that is even possible.

You do realize we have ice core data over many a millennia that has helped us get to this point, don't ya? You do realize that science has got us to a very limited point of understanding and with the aid of computers, we can predict the weather better today than using the farmer's almanac, praying to some god/moon/sun, or resort to dancing FOR rain?

this is just common sense unless ignoring things are the preference...

who the fk knows if this is fixable or caused by man.....that's not the issue....to derive a solution requires evaluation, trial and error, and then maybe a solution can be developed.....

if solving the issue of global warming was mechanical, we would have figured it out decades ago.....

most of what I read about this bs is back pocket related in today's world.....we developed a system that is totally dependent on fossil fuel usage w/o having a fkn clue how that would impact the world we live in....so it's either looking for alternatives that don't cause a total economic collapse with the hope that it would benefit the planet more than what we have today, or just throw our arms up in the air and state that the data that has been evaluated to this point is bs....

take your pick....I really don't care....I prefer trying to look for a solution by people that have spent their lives trying to figure it out....not some putz on a bbs.