(01-28-2014 01:13 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  

Hey, considering some of the rumors the past few days ...

Is that the guy that South Alabama barred from their campus for making ridiculous claims?

He clearly was being sarcastic. In case he wasn't, football at Williams Stadium is strictly optional. And yet over half of our residential students choose to come because the experience is so strong from a fan's perspective.

Tom - On his blog he claims to be a Arkansas State fan. He just happens to live in Mobile.

(01-28-2014 02:37 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 02:21 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  If I was to get into a real conversation with Liberty about joining. These would be the standards I would set

1. Liberty's administration and faculty would agree to work together to tone down some of the more serious rhetoric that comes out of the school.

2. The Television Network would need to agree to fall into line with SBC standards, yet also be willing to possibly follow the team on the road in league play to cover conference games in both football and Olympic Sports.

3. The Flames would agree to make sure that their campus is considered open, and inviting to visiting fans and conference officials.

4. The School would need to agree to make a serious commitment to improve the competitiveness of some of their athletic programs to reach SBC Standards, while at the same time publicly showing support for the Sun Belt Conference in any way possible

If those standards were agreed to, then I think you agree to seriously consider Liberty like any other Eastern Candidate.

Mostly reasonable and mostly already in place. Jerry Jr. has already begun taking care of #1 to some degree. #2 is doable and the TV crew already does quite a few road games. #3 It already is. #4 Already being worked on and already a serious concern.

I don't see anything on number 1 out of JFJ.

(01-28-2014 03:41 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 03:24 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 03:21 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 02:39 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 02:38 PM)panama Wrote:  Good for you.

Nobody.Else.Knows.

We do not NEED a 12th team or a CCG.

Actually the 3 million or so who watched the two games on TV know as well.

We do not NEED a 12th team or a CCG.

We don't NEED our schools to play football either. But we do.

So, why not have a championship game on national TV featuring our two best schools?

Because they dont make any additional money and they will be ESPN8U and because if you have a team making a run you risk them getting knocked out of contention (see Houston 2011). So if we find a good #12 sure fine. But a CCG should not be the main driver to add just anyone as #12.

Adding Appalachian State extended the driving footprint of the conference by 300 miles. Adding Liberty takes it out an additional 230 miles from Boone. I am even iffy of JMU for the same reasons and Liberty has none of the advantages that JMU brings. We did the VA thing in the CAA and I have no wish I wish to be in a conference that is in VA and TX unless we are getting a hell of a lot of coin to be doing that much travel. Chattanooga was prostituting themselves the way Liberty is. Much better location and better add.

Come on, Location is not the issue....Idaho anyone?

(01-28-2014 03:54 PM)augustis13 Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 03:41 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 03:24 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 03:21 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 02:39 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Actually the 3 million or so who watched the two games on TV know as well.

We do not NEED a 12th team or a CCG.

We don't NEED our schools to play football either. But we do.

So, why not have a championship game on national TV featuring our two best schools?

Because they dont make any additional money and they will be ESPN8U and because if you have a team making a run you risk them getting knocked out of contention (see Houston 2011). So if we find a good #12 sure fine. But a CCG should not be the main driver to add just anyone as #12.

Adding Appalachian State extended the driving footprint of the conference by 300 miles. Adding Liberty takes it out an additional 230 miles from Boone. I am even iffy of JMU for the same reasons and Liberty has none of the advantages that JMU brings. We did the VA thing in the CAA and I have no wish I wish to be in a conference that is in VA and TX unless we are getting a hell of a lot of coin to be doing that much travel. Chattanooga was prostituting themselves the way Liberty is. Much better location and better add.

Come on, Location is not the issue....Idaho anyone?

Thanks for REALLY making my point. I dont want to be in ID and VA. The Idaho situation has to be dealt with eventually and at least its FB only. NMSU (for all sports) only makes sense because you're already in TX and they are 30 mins from El Paso, have great MBB and baseball and are a national research university. Liberty is just one more out of the way sports trip we dont need. The biggest selling point for this conference was footprint. Now we want to be The American?

(01-28-2014 03:48 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 03:47 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  I fail to see the angst:

Quote:Georgia State has been to the NCAA Tournament two times. Their combined record is 1–2.

Do you think you can beat us?

We did in soccer last year, haha. and we almost did in hoops in '12. http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=323372335
Can't wait to play GSU in football in '15.

(01-28-2014 04:01 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 03:48 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 03:47 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  I fail to see the angst:

Quote:Georgia State has been to the NCAA Tournament two times. Their combined record is 1–2.

Do you think you can beat us?

We did in soccer last year, haha. and we almost did in hoops in '12. http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=323372335
Can't wait to play GSU in football in '15.

That should be a nice tune up for us. A middling FCS program against an SBC program up to full speed.

And they would have to invoke the mercy rule in a MBB game played today.

Shoot. Might be great to have Liberty University as part of the Sun Belt.

1. Weekly SBC Commissioner meetings on why the SBC does not necessarily condone the activities of it's member institutions.
2. The JMU ire in 2024 when they are still "thinking" about going FBS.
3. The Billion Dollar on-line Liberty University educational courses that the Washington Post wrote about seemingly with disdane.
4. The endless jokes. Good times.
5. The LU TV Network that doesn't seem to mean anything for the Sun Belt.
6. The laughing when the other SBC Presidents dictate that LU needs to play all their athletic events on Sundays.
7. Having knucklehead as a daily poster - would actually be a good thing.
8. The gay and lesbian demonstrations during televised events.
9. Let's invite Bob Jones University also. They can be traveling partners - not regionally but in life.
   

Would be a lot of laughs.

(01-28-2014 03:59 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 03:54 PM)augustis13 Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 03:41 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 03:24 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 03:21 PM)panama Wrote:  We do not NEED a 12th team or a CCG.

We don't NEED our schools to play football either. But we do.

So, why not have a championship game on national TV featuring our two best schools?

Because they dont make any additional money and they will be ESPN8U and because if you have a team making a run you risk them getting knocked out of contention (see Houston 2011). So if we find a good #12 sure fine. But a CCG should not be the main driver to add just anyone as #12.

Adding Appalachian State extended the driving footprint of the conference by 300 miles. Adding Liberty takes it out an additional 230 miles from Boone. I am even iffy of JMU for the same reasons and Liberty has none of the advantages that JMU brings. We did the VA thing in the CAA and I have no wish I wish to be in a conference that is in VA and TX unless we are getting a hell of a lot of coin to be doing that much travel. Chattanooga was prostituting themselves the way Liberty is. Much better location and better add.

Come on, Location is not the issue....Idaho anyone?

Thanks for REALLY making my point. I dont want to be in ID and VA. The Idaho situation has to be dealt with eventually and at least its FB only. NMSU (for all sports) only makes sense because you're already in TX and they are 30 mins from El Paso, have great MBB and baseball and are a national research university. Liberty is just one more out of the way sports trip we dont need. The biggest selling point for this conference was footprint. Now we want to be The American?

I have always thought of the Sunbelt as a southern based conference and VA is in the south..I agree NMSU should be a fulltime member in all sports as they bring alot to the conference and are just 30 mins from El Paso..IF UTC was ready, if JMU were not so wishy washy about moving up and joining, if MoST were close to being ready, if if if if......Problem is not of the ifs are on the table...

(01-28-2014 04:10 PM)augustis13 Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 03:59 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 03:54 PM)augustis13 Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 03:41 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 03:24 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  We don't NEED our schools to play football either. But we do.

So, why not have a championship game on national TV featuring our two best schools?

Because they dont make any additional money and they will be ESPN8U and because if you have a team making a run you risk them getting knocked out of contention (see Houston 2011). So if we find a good #12 sure fine. But a CCG should not be the main driver to add just anyone as #12.

Adding Appalachian State extended the driving footprint of the conference by 300 miles. Adding Liberty takes it out an additional 230 miles from Boone. I am even iffy of JMU for the same reasons and Liberty has none of the advantages that JMU brings. We did the VA thing in the CAA and I have no wish I wish to be in a conference that is in VA and TX unless we are getting a hell of a lot of coin to be doing that much travel. Chattanooga was prostituting themselves the way Liberty is. Much better location and better add.

Come on, Location is not the issue....Idaho anyone?

Thanks for REALLY making my point. I dont want to be in ID and VA. The Idaho situation has to be dealt with eventually and at least its FB only. NMSU (for all sports) only makes sense because you're already in TX and they are 30 mins from El Paso, have great MBB and baseball and are a national research university. Liberty is just one more out of the way sports trip we dont need. The biggest selling point for this conference was footprint. Now we want to be The American?

I have always thought of the Sunbelt as a southern based conference and VA is in the south..I agree NMSU should be a fulltime member in all sports as they bring alot to the conference and are just 30 mins from El Paso..IF UTC was ready, if JMU were not so wishy washy about moving up and joining, if MoST were close to being ready, if if if if......Problem is not of the ifs are on the table...

So the B12 is in the exact same situation and would realize even more value from a CCG. What are they doing?

(01-28-2014 04:12 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 04:10 PM)augustis13 Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 03:59 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 03:54 PM)augustis13 Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 03:41 PM)panama Wrote:  Because they dont make any additional money and they will be ESPN8U and because if you have a team making a run you risk them getting knocked out of contention (see Houston 2011). So if we find a good #12 sure fine. But a CCG should not be the main driver to add just anyone as #12.

Adding Appalachian State extended the driving footprint of the conference by 300 miles. Adding Liberty takes it out an additional 230 miles from Boone. I am even iffy of JMU for the same reasons and Liberty has none of the advantages that JMU brings. We did the VA thing in the CAA and I have no wish I wish to be in a conference that is in VA and TX unless we are getting a hell of a lot of coin to be doing that much travel. Chattanooga was prostituting themselves the way Liberty is. Much better location and better add.

Come on, Location is not the issue....Idaho anyone?

Thanks for REALLY making my point. I dont want to be in ID and VA. The Idaho situation has to be dealt with eventually and at least its FB only. NMSU (for all sports) only makes sense because you're already in TX and they are 30 mins from El Paso, have great MBB and baseball and are a national research university. Liberty is just one more out of the way sports trip we dont need. The biggest selling point for this conference was footprint. Now we want to be The American?

I have always thought of the Sunbelt as a southern based conference and VA is in the south..I agree NMSU should be a fulltime member in all sports as they bring alot to the conference and are just 30 mins from El Paso..IF UTC was ready, if JMU were not so wishy washy about moving up and joining, if MoST were close to being ready, if if if if......Problem is not of the ifs are on the table...

So the B12 is in the exact same situation and would realize even more value from a CCG. What are they doing?

They are doing whatever Texas tells them to do....I would rather follow the SEC model than the Big 12 model..I heard a suggestion a while back I really liked..Have a SBC Championship game in Atlanta the Thursday night before the SEC Championship game...Would make for a great weekend of football in Atlanta especially with so many SEC fans sharing states and followings with SBC schools...

(01-28-2014 04:20 PM)augustis13 Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 04:12 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 04:10 PM)augustis13 Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 03:59 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 03:54 PM)augustis13 Wrote:  Come on, Location is not the issue....Idaho anyone?

Thanks for REALLY making my point. I dont want to be in ID and VA. The Idaho situation has to be dealt with eventually and at least its FB only. NMSU (for all sports) only makes sense because you're already in TX and they are 30 mins from El Paso, have great MBB and baseball and are a national research university. Liberty is just one more out of the way sports trip we dont need. The biggest selling point for this conference was footprint. Now we want to be The American?

I have always thought of the Sunbelt as a southern based conference and VA is in the south..I agree NMSU should be a fulltime member in all sports as they bring alot to the conference and are just 30 mins from El Paso..IF UTC was ready, if JMU were not so wishy washy about moving up and joining, if MoST were close to being ready, if if if if......Problem is not of the ifs are on the table...

So the B12 is in the exact same situation and would realize even more value from a CCG. What are they doing?

They are doing whatever Texas tells them to do....I would rather follow the SEC model than the Big 12 model..I heard a suggestion a while back I really liked..Have a SBC Championship game in Atlanta the Thursday night before the SEC Championship game...Would make for a great weekend of football in Atlanta especially with so many SEC fans sharing states and followings with SBC schools...

Do you live here? That game would go unnoticed. We haven't gotten to the point where people and the media are just randomly interested in SBC football here. Like I said, a CCG should not be the driver for #12. And I cannot believe that a GSU fan would be this keen on adding a VA school giving our CAA MBB experience 2 years ago.

Expansion to get to 12 is a bad idea. Remember Idaho was a tack-on to make it 12. UMass was a tack-on to the MAC to get to 14. Pursuing a number for the sake of a number is foolishness.

While everything is temporary when realignment is in full frenzy you don't take a school under the assumption everything will shift in five years. You take schools under the assumption it is a permanent association. Few people know that the MAC voted to kick Eastern Michigan out in 1981 or 1982 and they lobbied and worked and put forward we will shape up proposals and they backed off and let them stay in. I would wager that many in the MAC wish that had never happened but now they are so entrenched you can't get them out.

Then Sun Belt historically has been a bit more cold-blooded. When Texas-Pan Am got caught cheating again and then ASKED the NCAA to give them death in basketball so they could get rid of the coach (NCAA said no we will punish you by not getting rid of basketball) the Sun Belt had enough and the votes were lined up to expel them so they left. The Denver and UNO situations became headaches so the presidents adopted standards requiring sponsorship of 15 league sports by a date certain to give Denver time to go elsewhere and to give UNO time to figure out what they wanted to do or could afford to do (and UNO dropped to Division III, changed their mind to drop to Division II, then changed it again and came back to Division I) but it was a proposal clearly set to force Denver out and UNO to do SOMETHING.

But the general principle applies that you don't take a school unless you want it to be permanent.

If the presidents look over Liberty and say they want to be affiliated with Liberty, then fine, admit Liberty but if the only reason is we want to have 12 teams and they are ready to say yes then I'm opposed to Liberty. I don't work in the academic circles so while I recognize the concerns about Liberty those concerns aren't my concerns.

WKU snark aside about basketball my concern is adding schools that are serious about the sports they field in the Sun Belt. I don't like looking at the Bubas Cup standings and seeing a school that has ones and twos across the board in half their sports. A school that throws all accountability and resources behind one sport and then isn't competitive in seven or eight sports is bad for the league. Additionally I want schools that benefit at least one of the two major sports. If you finish in the bottom half of the league in football for four straight years, I want you to be in the top 4 in men's basketball those years or vice versa a school that is an RPI drain AND a drain on football ratings is a detriment.

(01-28-2014 04:57 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Expansion to get to 12 is a bad idea. Remember Idaho was a tack-on to make it 12. UMass was a tack-on to the MAC to get to 14. Pursuing a number for the sake of a number is foolishness.

While everything is temporary when realignment is in full frenzy you don't take a school under the assumption everything will shift in five years. You take schools under the assumption it is a permanent association. Few people know that the MAC voted to kick Eastern Michigan out in 1981 or 1982 and they lobbied and worked and put forward we will shape up proposals and they backed off and let them stay in. I would wager that many in the MAC wish that had never happened but now they are so entrenched you can't get them out.

Then Sun Belt historically has been a bit more cold-blooded. When Texas-Pan Am got caught cheating again and then ASKED the NCAA to give them death in basketball so they could get rid of the coach (NCAA said no we will punish you by not getting rid of basketball) the Sun Belt had enough and the votes were lined up to expel them so they left. The Denver and UNO situations became headaches so the presidents adopted standards requiring sponsorship of 15 league sports by a date certain to give Denver time to go elsewhere and to give UNO time to figure out what they wanted to do or could afford to do (and UNO dropped to Division III, changed their mind to drop to Division II, then changed it again and came back to Division I) but it was a proposal clearly set to force Denver out and UNO to do SOMETHING.

But the general principle applies that you don't take a school unless you want it to be permanent.

If the presidents look over Liberty and say they want to be affiliated with Liberty, then fine, admit Liberty but if the only reason is we want to have 12 teams and they are ready to say yes then I'm opposed to Liberty. I don't work in the academic circles so while I recognize the concerns about Liberty those concerns aren't my concerns.

WKU snark aside about basketball my concern is adding schools that are serious about the sports they field in the Sun Belt. I don't like looking at the Bubas Cup standings and seeing a school that has ones and twos across the board in half their sports. A school that throws all accountability and resources behind one sport and then isn't competitive in seven or eight sports is bad for the league. Additionally I want schools that benefit at least one of the two major sports. If you finish in the bottom half of the league in football for four straight years, I want you to be in the top 4 in men's basketball those years or vice versa a school that is an RPI drain AND a drain on football ratings is a detriment.

Can't like the Atlanta championship game idea. We may be a warm-up act but damned if we should embrace that.

The touted reason from the commissioner for having a title game is give the champ a boost in the competition for the access bowl slot since the champs of AAC, CUSA, MAC, and MWC will have played 13 games while our champ will have played 12.

I've seen the emptiness of the MAC title game at Ford Field. The host should be the highest rated division champ. You do that and odds are you've got a packed house. I saw a winner takes all AState vs. MTSU in Centennial Bank Stadium there were very few empty seats. I have no doubt at all the same would be true at Cajun Field. I expect the same would be true at Kidd Brewer, Paulson, etc. The only places that I'd have any concern about not having most seats filled would be Georgia State for obvious reasons of capacity and maybe USA though I think Mobile's attitude would be much like Orlando when UCF made the CUSA title game and suddenly packed the Citrus Bowl.

Give your best team the best shot to win if the point is trying to crack the access bowl.

(01-28-2014 05:07 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Can't like the Atlanta championship game idea. We may be a warm-up act but damned if we should embrace that.

The touted reason from the commissioner for having a title game is give the champ a boost in the competition for the access bowl slot since the champs of AAC, CUSA, MAC, and MWC will have played 13 games while our champ will have played 12.

I've seen the emptiness of the MAC title game at Ford Field. The host should be the highest rated division champ. You do that and odds are you've got a packed house. I saw a winner takes all AState vs. MTSU in Centennial Bank Stadium there were very few empty seats. I have no doubt at all the same would be true at Cajun Field. I expect the same would be true at Kidd Brewer, Paulson, etc. The only places that I'd have any concern about not having most seats filled would be Georgia State for obvious reasons of capacity and maybe USA though I think Mobile's attitude would be much like Orlando when UCF made the CUSA title game and suddenly packed the Citrus Bowl.

Give your best team the best shot to win if the point is trying to crack the access bowl.

We have seen successful championship games in the MWC and CUSA based on playing it one of the participant's stadiums

(01-28-2014 05:14 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 05:07 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Can't like the Atlanta championship game idea. We may be a warm-up act but damned if we should embrace that.

The touted reason from the commissioner for having a title game is give the champ a boost in the competition for the access bowl slot since the champs of AAC, CUSA, MAC, and MWC will have played 13 games while our champ will have played 12.

I've seen the emptiness of the MAC title game at Ford Field. The host should be the highest rated division champ. You do that and odds are you've got a packed house. I saw a winner takes all AState vs. MTSU in Centennial Bank Stadium there were very few empty seats. I have no doubt at all the same would be true at Cajun Field. I expect the same would be true at Kidd Brewer, Paulson, etc. The only places that I'd have any concern about not having most seats filled would be Georgia State for obvious reasons of capacity and maybe USA though I think Mobile's attitude would be much like Orlando when UCF made the CUSA title game and suddenly packed the Citrus Bowl.

Give your best team the best shot to win if the point is trying to crack the access bowl.

We have seen successful championship games in the MWC and CUSA based on playing it one of the participant's stadiums

Pac-12 does it at the higher seeded team's home stadium as well. Though the 2012 Pac-12 title game barely outdrew MTSU at AState that week (bad weather) and the CUSA title game had about half that crowd but it was at Tulsa

(01-28-2014 05:20 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 05:14 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 05:07 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Can't like the Atlanta championship game idea. We may be a warm-up act but damned if we should embrace that.

The touted reason from the commissioner for having a title game is give the champ a boost in the competition for the access bowl slot since the champs of AAC, CUSA, MAC, and MWC will have played 13 games while our champ will have played 12.

I've seen the emptiness of the MAC title game at Ford Field. The host should be the highest rated division champ. You do that and odds are you've got a packed house. I saw a winner takes all AState vs. MTSU in Centennial Bank Stadium there were very few empty seats. I have no doubt at all the same would be true at Cajun Field. I expect the same would be true at Kidd Brewer, Paulson, etc. The only places that I'd have any concern about not having most seats filled would be Georgia State for obvious reasons of capacity and maybe USA though I think Mobile's attitude would be much like Orlando when UCF made the CUSA title game and suddenly packed the Citrus Bowl.

Give your best team the best shot to win if the point is trying to crack the access bowl.

We have seen successful championship games in the MWC and CUSA based on playing it one of the participant's stadiums

Pac-12 does it at the higher seeded team's home stadium as well. Though the 2012 Pac-12 title game barely outdrew MTSU at AState that week (bad weather) and the CUSA title game had about half that crowd but it was at Tulsa

You hope for Boise State/Nevada or Houston/USM 3 years ago.

(01-28-2014 04:57 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Expansion to get to 12 is a bad idea. Remember Idaho was a tack-on to make it 12. UMass was a tack-on to the MAC to get to 14. Pursuing a number for the sake of a number is foolishness.

While everything is temporary when realignment is in full frenzy you don't take a school under the assumption everything will shift in five years. You take schools under the assumption it is a permanent association. Few people know that the MAC voted to kick Eastern Michigan out in 1981 or 1982 and they lobbied and worked and put forward we will shape up proposals and they backed off and let them stay in. I would wager that many in the MAC wish that had never happened but now they are so entrenched you can't get them out.

Then Sun Belt historically has been a bit more cold-blooded. When Texas-Pan Am got caught cheating again and then ASKED the NCAA to give them death in basketball so they could get rid of the coach (NCAA said no we will punish you by not getting rid of basketball) the Sun Belt had enough and the votes were lined up to expel them so they left. The Denver and UNO situations became headaches so the presidents adopted standards requiring sponsorship of 15 league sports by a date certain to give Denver time to go elsewhere and to give UNO time to figure out what they wanted to do or could afford to do (and UNO dropped to Division III, changed their mind to drop to Division II, then changed it again and came back to Division I) but it was a proposal clearly set to force Denver out and UNO to do SOMETHING.

But the general principle applies that you don't take a school unless you want it to be permanent.

If the presidents look over Liberty and say they want to be affiliated with Liberty, then fine, admit Liberty but if the only reason is we want to have 12 teams and they are ready to say yes then I'm opposed to Liberty. I don't work in the academic circles so while I recognize the concerns about Liberty those concerns aren't my concerns.

WKU snark aside about basketball my concern is adding schools that are serious about the sports they field in the Sun Belt. I don't like looking at the Bubas Cup standings and seeing a school that has ones and twos across the board in half their sports. A school that throws all accountability and resources behind one sport and then isn't competitive in seven or eight sports is bad for the league. Additionally I want schools that benefit at least one of the two major sports. If you finish in the bottom half of the league in football for four straight years, I want you to be in the top 4 in men's basketball those years or vice versa a school that is an RPI drain AND a drain on football ratings is a detriment.

Last paragraph is spot on...exactly how I feel.