(01-28-2014 02:51 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Amazing that some who would not support an FCS team that has made the playoffs 20 times
would support LU who has never made the playoffs.
Makes a person wonder if there is an agenda with some.

No agenda for me. Just looking at facilities, resources and support. I think the condition of the program is very important which is why I can't support EKU. I would take UTC, JMU, MO State before Liberty if all wanted in at the same time (although 14 members would cross my mind). I'm saying Liberty is not a bad choice when you look at the metrics.

Playoffs really don't add or detract in my calculus. If 3k show up at a playoff game, does it make a sound? I'd rather have a program that is supported by the alumni and students, is well financed, and has invested in facilities.

I think your wishlist is very achievable, chiefsfan.

Just curious, in which non-revenue sports do you see Liberty sub-standard for the Sun Belt? Softball is the only obvious one at first glance and we just hired Dot Richardson to turn that program around and have a brand new stadium under construction that we hope to use this spring. Volleyball just had one down year but has been a Top-40 program for quite some time.

(01-28-2014 03:08 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  I think your wishlist is very achievable, chiefsfan.

Just curious, in which non-revenue sports do you see Liberty sub-standard for the Sun Belt? Softball is the only obvious one at first glance and we just hired Dot Richardson to turn that program around and have a brand new stadium under construction that we hope to use this spring. Volleyball just had one down year but has been a Top-40 program for quite some time.

I was mainly going after football. I would guess baseball would need some work to get up to SBC level as well...but I don't know about the school to answer that question.

(01-28-2014 03:17 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 03:08 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  I think your wishlist is very achievable, chiefsfan.

Just curious, in which non-revenue sports do you see Liberty sub-standard for the Sun Belt? Softball is the only obvious one at first glance and we just hired Dot Richardson to turn that program around and have a brand new stadium under construction that we hope to use this spring. Volleyball just had one down year but has been a Top-40 program for quite some time.

I was mainly going after football. I would guess baseball would need some work to get up to SBC level as well...but I don't know about the school to answer that question.

Baseball made a regional last year after winning the conference. They went on to Columbia SC and beat Clemson 2x and lost to USC. But the goal is to go to Omaha this year.

(01-28-2014 02:39 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 02:38 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 02:22 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 02:20 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 02:17 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  We do IMHO. We have to have a championship game... played at the highest ranking team's home stadium. The national exposure to our best teams is crucial, and we would be the only conference without one. We really have to go to at least 12 since we are stuck at 11... one shy of a championship.

Why?

Where is the proof of said exposure in the G5? Quick! Who played in the MAC championship 2 years ago? Dont look it up? Who played in the MWC championship last year?

1. Northern Illinois and Kent State
2. Fresno and Utah State.

Good for you.

Nobody.Else.Knows.

We do not NEED a 12th team or a CCG.

Actually the 3 million or so who watched the two games on TV know as well.

We do not NEED a 12th team or a CCG.

Is attendance at LU football games mandatory,
as is 3 church/school meeting each week?

(01-28-2014 03:21 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Is attendance at LU football games mandatory,
as is 3 church/school meeting each week?

Not sure where you are going here. Most private institutions require some sort of religious based activity as part of their curriculum.

(01-28-2014 03:21 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 02:39 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 02:38 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 02:22 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 02:20 PM)panama Wrote:  Why?

Where is the proof of said exposure in the G5? Quick! Who played in the MAC championship 2 years ago? Dont look it up? Who played in the MWC championship last year?

1. Northern Illinois and Kent State
2. Fresno and Utah State.

Good for you.

Nobody.Else.Knows.

We do not NEED a 12th team or a CCG.

Actually the 3 million or so who watched the two games on TV know as well.

We do not NEED a 12th team or a CCG.

We don't NEED our schools to play football either. But we do.

So, why not have a championship game on national TV featuring our two best schools?

(01-28-2014 03:21 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Is attendance at LU football games mandatory,
as is 3 church/school meeting each week?

No sir. there are 12K+ on campus students and the student section is usually around 6 to 8 K at a football game depending on the opponent.

Liberty has a history of making a significant investment in athletics but in over two decades it's produced three NCAA bids coming out of one of the weaker leagues with only one regular season title and no post-season in football.

(01-28-2014 03:24 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 03:21 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 02:39 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 02:38 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 02:22 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  1. Northern Illinois and Kent State
2. Fresno and Utah State.

Good for you.

Nobody.Else.Knows.

We do not NEED a 12th team or a CCG.

Actually the 3 million or so who watched the two games on TV know as well.

We do not NEED a 12th team or a CCG.

We don't NEED our schools to play football either. But we do.

So, why not have a championship game on national TV featuring our two best schools?

Ask 2013 NIU or 2011 Houston what's wrong with title games.

(01-28-2014 03:28 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Liberty has a history of making a significant investment in athletics but in over two decades it's produced three NCAA bids coming out of one of the weaker leagues with only one regular season title and no post-season in football.

It'll fit right in with the SBC basketball.

(01-28-2014 03:29 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 03:24 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 03:21 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 02:39 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 02:38 PM)panama Wrote:  Good for you.

Nobody.Else.Knows.

We do not NEED a 12th team or a CCG.

Actually the 3 million or so who watched the two games on TV know as well.

We do not NEED a 12th team or a CCG.

We don't NEED our schools to play football either. But we do.

So, why not have a championship game on national TV featuring our two best schools?

Ask 2013 NIU or 2011 Houston what's wrong with title games.

I see what you did there. I'd say the team that won in both cases above deserved it. NIU shouldn't be in the BCS discussion if they can't win their conference championship. I said the same thing about App when we left the playoffs earlier than expected. I would think that most programs in the SBC would not shy away from the challenge of being tested in a championship game.

(01-28-2014 03:24 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 03:21 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 02:39 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 02:38 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 02:22 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  1. Northern Illinois and Kent State
2. Fresno and Utah State.

Good for you.

Nobody.Else.Knows.

We do not NEED a 12th team or a CCG.

Actually the 3 million or so who watched the two games on TV know as well.

We do not NEED a 12th team or a CCG.

We don't NEED our schools to play football either. But we do.

So, why not have a championship game on national TV featuring our two best schools?

Because they dont make any additional money and they will be ESPN8U and because if you have a team making a run you risk them getting knocked out of contention (see Houston 2011). So if we find a good #12 sure fine. But a CCG should not be the main driver to add just anyone as #12.

Adding Appalachian State extended the driving footprint of the conference by 300 miles. Adding Liberty takes it out an additional 230 miles from Boone. I am even iffy of JMU for the same reasons and Liberty has none of the advantages that JMU brings. We did the VA thing in the CAA and I have no wish I wish to be in a conference that is in VA and TX unless we are getting a hell of a lot of coin to be doing that much travel. Chattanooga was prostituting themselves the way Liberty is. Much better location and better add.

All distasteful conversation about the school's administration aside, does Liberty advance the standing and prestige of the conference?

I think we all agree the answer is no at this point in time and that's saying nothing about other potential issues.

(01-28-2014 03:28 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Liberty has a history of making a significant investment in athletics but in over two decades it's produced three NCAA bids coming out of one of the weaker leagues with only one regular season title and no post-season in football.

Let that wash over you guys.

There is no denying the frustration of being an Liberty basketball fan. Yeah, our track record is well below standards and anyone denying it is not being honest with themselves.

As for the lack of football playoff appearances, our league has only has an auto bid for two years and we lost tiebreakers in each of those years. We have regularly been a Top 15-25 FCS program for 8-9 years. Not that those credentials should have anyone overly impressed. Playing in the Big South, there is practically zero room for error to get in the playoffs. And we have typically had one inexplicable loss each of the past 5 years or so. This year it was blowing a late 19-point lead to co-champion Coastal Carolina when we lost in double overtime on a blocked kick. It is what it is.

As for our spending, the fortunes of the school financially have changed dramatically in the last 5 years or so. 7-8 or years ago we were treading water to survive financially. Today we are extremely blessed and using the new-found money to invest in our infrastructure and programs.

And for the record, our baseball program is 35th in Collegiate Baseball's Preseason Rankings. Only the Cajuns are ranked higher than us among Sun Belt members. Our baseball program is solid. Just ask Clemson after we beat them twice in regionals last year.

(01-28-2014 03:22 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-28-2014 03:21 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Is attendance at LU football games mandatory,
as is 3 church/school meeting each week?

Not sure where you are going here. Most private institutions require some sort of religious based activity as part of their curriculum.

Very simple. If they have a system set up of enforcement mandating they attend meetings three times a week, could also serve to "encourage" them to maximum attendance to football games.

Panama.....I fail to see the angst:

Quote:Georgia State has been to the NCAA Tournament two times. Their combined record is 1–2.

(01-28-2014 03:47 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  I fail to see the angst:

Quote:Georgia State has been to the NCAA Tournament two times. Their combined record is 1–2.

Do you think you can beat us?