(01-22-2014 09:59 AM)ken d Wrote:  ken d Wrote: Why wouldn't they [get full rides]? And if the decision isn't made by the school, who is it made by? Partial scholarships aren't unusual in Olympic sports.


Marge Schott replied: Because baseball has a maximum of 11.7 scholarships. Scholarship limits are per NCAA regulations, not school.

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The fact that there is a scholarship limit for some sports that is not a whole number demonstrates that the NCAA recognizes and approves of schools' decisions to split scholarships for some athletes. But it doesn't require that they do. That is to say, they don't forbid a school from giving some baseball players a full ride. That decision is made by the school, not the NCAA.

You are correct that the school decides how to divvy up the scholarship money, to an extent. Every player receiving part of a baseball scholarship is required to receive at least 1/3 of one - I believe. And while a school could literally offer 11 guys full scholarships and one guy a .7, that accounts for less than half of your roster, so you wouldn't really be giving "full rides" to the whole baseball team.

I could be wrong, but I'm not aware of any NCAA rule that prohibits a school from splitting scholarships in football or men's basketball, either. I think schools generally offer only full scholarships for market driven reasons. If Alabama offered a partial scholarship to a 3 star player, and Georgia would be willing to give him a full ride, Alabama would likely lose that recruiting battle. Since they are limited in how many players at any time can receive some scholarship aid, they have no need to split scholarships.

Incorrect. Football and both basketballs MUST be full scholarships.

But the very fact that schools do offer partial scholarships, and because this practice has never been challenged under Title IX to my knowledge, it seems to establish the precedent for paying some players more than others, based presumably on their expected value to the school, either based on their talent or on the revenue generated by their sport. Therefore, a school may choose to pay football players and men's basketball players for "full cost of attendance" while paying other athletes a lesser amount. That lesser amount would basically be market driven, just as partial scholarships are now.

(01-22-2014 02:25 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(01-22-2014 09:59 AM)ken d Wrote:  ken d Wrote: Why wouldn't they [get full rides]? And if the decision isn't made by the school, who is it made by? Partial scholarships aren't unusual in Olympic sports.


Marge Schott replied: Because baseball has a maximum of 11.7 scholarships. Scholarship limits are per NCAA regulations, not school.

__________________________________________________________

The fact that there is a scholarship limit for some sports that is not a whole number demonstrates that the NCAA recognizes and approves of schools' decisions to split scholarships for some athletes. But it doesn't require that they do. That is to say, they don't forbid a school from giving some baseball players a full ride. That decision is made by the school, not the NCAA.

You are correct that the school decides how to divvy up the scholarship money, to an extent. Every player receiving part of a baseball scholarship is required to receive at least 1/3 of one - I believe. And while a school could literally offer 11 guys full scholarships and one guy a .7, that accounts for less than half of your roster, so you wouldn't really be giving "full rides" to the whole baseball team.

I could be wrong, but I'm not aware of any NCAA rule that prohibits a school from splitting scholarships in football or men's basketball, either. I think schools generally offer only full scholarships for market driven reasons. If Alabama offered a partial scholarship to a 3 star player, and Georgia would be willing to give him a full ride, Alabama would likely lose that recruiting battle. Since they are limited in how many players at any time can receive some scholarship aid, they have no need to split scholarships.

Incorrect. Football and both basketballs MUST be full scholarships.

But the very fact that schools do offer partial scholarships, and because this practice has never been challenged under Title IX to my knowledge, it seems to establish the precedent for paying some players more than others, based presumably on their expected value to the school, either based on their talent or on the revenue generated by their sport. Therefore, a school may choose to pay football players and men's basketball players for "full cost of attendance" while paying other athletes a lesser amount. That lesser amount would basically be market driven, just as partial scholarships are now.

Actually, now that I have looked it up, you are partly correct. Football scholarships in the FBS must be full rides. FCS schools may give partial scholarships, but may not have more than 85 players sharing their 63 scholarships. Basketball scholarships must be full for D-I, but may be partial at the D-II level. But the point is, that even if they weren't required to do so, they would have to to be competitive in recruiting.

And while a school could literally offer 11 guys full scholarships and one guy a .7, that accounts for less than half of your roster, so you wouldn't really be giving "full rides" to the whole baseball team.[/color]


I don't recall anyone suggesting that they could.

(01-22-2014 05:02 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-22-2014 02:25 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(01-22-2014 09:59 AM)ken d Wrote:  ken d Wrote: Why wouldn't they [get full rides]? And if the decision isn't made by the school, who is it made by? Partial scholarships aren't unusual in Olympic sports.


Marge Schott replied: Because baseball has a maximum of 11.7 scholarships. Scholarship limits are per NCAA regulations, not school.

__________________________________________________________

The fact that there is a scholarship limit for some sports that is not a whole number demonstrates that the NCAA recognizes and approves of schools' decisions to split scholarships for some athletes. But it doesn't require that they do. That is to say, they don't forbid a school from giving some baseball players a full ride. That decision is made by the school, not the NCAA.

You are correct that the school decides how to divvy up the scholarship money, to an extent. Every player receiving part of a baseball scholarship is required to receive at least 1/3 of one - I believe. And while a school could literally offer 11 guys full scholarships and one guy a .7, that accounts for less than half of your roster, so you wouldn't really be giving "full rides" to the whole baseball team.

I could be wrong, but I'm not aware of any NCAA rule that prohibits a school from splitting scholarships in football or men's basketball, either. I think schools generally offer only full scholarships for market driven reasons. If Alabama offered a partial scholarship to a 3 star player, and Georgia would be willing to give him a full ride, Alabama would likely lose that recruiting battle. Since they are limited in how many players at any time can receive some scholarship aid, they have no need to split scholarships.

Incorrect. Football and both basketballs MUST be full scholarships.

But the very fact that schools do offer partial scholarships, and because this practice has never been challenged under Title IX to my knowledge, it seems to establish the precedent for paying some players more than others, based presumably on their expected value to the school, either based on their talent or on the revenue generated by their sport. Therefore, a school may choose to pay football players and men's basketball players for "full cost of attendance" while paying other athletes a lesser amount. That lesser amount would basically be market driven, just as partial scholarships are now.

Actually, now that I have looked it up, you are partly correct. Football scholarships in the FBS must be full rides. FCS schools may give partial scholarships, but may not have more than 85 players sharing their 63 scholarships. Basketball scholarships must be full for D-I, but may be partial at the D-II level. But the point is, that even if they weren't required to do so, they would have to to be competitive in recruiting.

And while a school could literally offer 11 guys full scholarships and one guy a .7, that accounts for less than half of your roster, so you wouldn't really be giving "full rides" to the whole baseball team.[/color]


I don't recall anyone suggesting that they could.

The ACC doesn't participate in the FCS and D-II, does it? I'm not incorrect at all.

I believe that orange foo foo seems to think it's Cuse's decision whether or not to offer full rides to baseball players...

(01-22-2014 11:40 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(01-22-2014 05:02 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-22-2014 02:25 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(01-22-2014 09:59 AM)ken d Wrote:  ken d Wrote: Why wouldn't they [get full rides]? And if the decision isn't made by the school, who is it made by? Partial scholarships aren't unusual in Olympic sports.


Marge Schott replied: Because baseball has a maximum of 11.7 scholarships. Scholarship limits are per NCAA regulations, not school.

__________________________________________________________

The fact that there is a scholarship limit for some sports that is not a whole number demonstrates that the NCAA recognizes and approves of schools' decisions to split scholarships for some athletes. But it doesn't require that they do. That is to say, they don't forbid a school from giving some baseball players a full ride. That decision is made by the school, not the NCAA.

You are correct that the school decides how to divvy up the scholarship money, to an extent. Every player receiving part of a baseball scholarship is required to receive at least 1/3 of one - I believe. And while a school could literally offer 11 guys full scholarships and one guy a .7, that accounts for less than half of your roster, so you wouldn't really be giving "full rides" to the whole baseball team.

I could be wrong, but I'm not aware of any NCAA rule that prohibits a school from splitting scholarships in football or men's basketball, either. I think schools generally offer only full scholarships for market driven reasons. If Alabama offered a partial scholarship to a 3 star player, and Georgia would be willing to give him a full ride, Alabama would likely lose that recruiting battle. Since they are limited in how many players at any time can receive some scholarship aid, they have no need to split scholarships.

Incorrect. Football and both basketballs MUST be full scholarships.

But the very fact that schools do offer partial scholarships, and because this practice has never been challenged under Title IX to my knowledge, it seems to establish the precedent for paying some players more than others, based presumably on their expected value to the school, either based on their talent or on the revenue generated by their sport. Therefore, a school may choose to pay football players and men's basketball players for "full cost of attendance" while paying other athletes a lesser amount. That lesser amount would basically be market driven, just as partial scholarships are now.

Actually, now that I have looked it up, you are partly correct. Football scholarships in the FBS must be full rides. FCS schools may give partial scholarships, but may not have more than 85 players sharing their 63 scholarships. Basketball scholarships must be full for D-I, but may be partial at the D-II level. But the point is, that even if they weren't required to do so, they would have to to be competitive in recruiting.

And while a school could literally offer 11 guys full scholarships and one guy a .7, that accounts for less than half of your roster, so you wouldn't really be giving "full rides" to the whole baseball team.[/color]


I don't recall anyone suggesting that they could.

The ACC doesn't participate in the FCS and D-II, does it? I'm not incorrect at all.

I believe that orange foo foo seems to think it's Cuse's decision whether or not to offer full rides to baseball players...

Apparently the distinction between giving full scholarships (i.e. as opposed to a partial scholarship) and giving everyone a full scholarship is lost on you. I said that it's Syracuse's decision whether or not to give baseball players full rides. It is. SU chooses not to elevate the program and give out scholarships. The NCAA is not forcing SU to not field a DI team and provide scholarships. There is no death sentence. I never claimed that SU could give everyone on the team a full scholarship. That you imagined.

(01-22-2014 09:59 AM)ken d Wrote:  ken d Wrote: Why wouldn't they [get full rides]? And if the decision isn't made by the school, who is it made by? Partial scholarships aren't unusual in Olympic sports.


Marge Schott replied: Because baseball has a maximum of 11.7 scholarships. Scholarship limits are per NCAA regulations, not school.

__________________________________________________________

The fact that there is a scholarship limit for some sports that is not a whole number demonstrates that the NCAA recognizes and approves of schools' decisions to split scholarships for some athletes. But it doesn't require that they do. That is to say, they don't forbid a school from giving some baseball players a full ride. That decision is made by the school, not the NCAA.

I could be wrong, but I'm not aware of any NCAA rule that prohibits a school from splitting scholarships in football or men's basketball, either. I think schools generally offer only full scholarships for market driven reasons. If Alabama offered a partial scholarship to a 3 star player, and Georgia would be willing to give him a full ride, Alabama would likely lose that recruiting battle. Since they are limited in how many players at any time can receive some scholarship aid, they have no need to split scholarships.

But the very fact that schools do offer partial scholarships, and because this practice has never been challenged under Title IX to my knowledge, it seems to establish the precedent for paying some players more than others, based presumably on their expected value to the school, either based on their talent or on the revenue generated by their sport. Therefore, a school may choose to pay football players and men's basketball players for "full cost of attendance" while paying other athletes a lesser amount. That lesser amount would basically be market driven, just as partial scholarships are now.

Bingo.

I'm not sure why, but the fine folks in Fla. seem to have trouble grasping those two points.

Bruh bruh, you talk in circles.

(01-23-2014 12:50 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Bruh bruh, you talk in circles.

I understand. Those dang nabbit squiggilies are hard to understand. Crayon pictures are sooooooooo much easier, eh?

(01-23-2014 12:50 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Bruh bruh, you talk in circles.

Yes. You need to use words like "bruh bruh" and "foo foo" so she can understand you at her level.