(01-17-2014 02:10 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

Quote:I just take issue with the notion that people who are on food stamps are lazy. I have a friend who is no food stamps and he works every day delivering flowers. The guy just can't feed his family of four on that kind of a pay check.

Those kind of average people, I (and I'd wager most of us on here feel the same way) don't have as much of an issue with (unless they're not looking for a better job if the opportunity presents itself.).

It's the people who are getting a check and arent' trying to get off those subsidized roll-calls, such as the people we talked about earlier, they go to a job interview in a manner they _know_ is not going to get a job, then they go tell their unemployment office "I went here , here, and here for a job". Or the ones who simply abuse the system and don't even bother trying to look for work.

Yep, just get rid of the billions in fraud and I don't think many would have an issue with the program.

(01-17-2014 02:10 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

Quote:I just take issue with the notion that people who are on food stamps are lazy. I have a friend who is no food stamps and he works every day delivering flowers. The guy just can't feed his family of four on that kind of a pay check.

Those kind of average people, I (and I'd wager most of us on here feel the same way) don't have as much of an issue with (unless they're not looking for a better job if the opportunity presents itself.).

It's the people who are getting a check and arent' trying to get off those subsidized roll-calls, such as the people we talked about earlier, they go to a job interview in a manner they _know_ is not going to get a job, then they go tell their unemployment office "I went here , here, and here for a job". Or the ones who simply abuse the system and don't even bother trying to look for work.

I understand your frustration but you and I both know that these people are the exception. Not the norm.

Statistics clearly show that.

(01-17-2014 02:16 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 02:10 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

Quote:I just take issue with the notion that people who are on food stamps are lazy. I have a friend who is no food stamps and he works every day delivering flowers. The guy just can't feed his family of four on that kind of a pay check.

Those kind of average people, I (and I'd wager most of us on here feel the same way) don't have as much of an issue with (unless they're not looking for a better job if the opportunity presents itself.).

It's the people who are getting a check and arent' trying to get off those subsidized roll-calls, such as the people we talked about earlier, they go to a job interview in a manner they _know_ is not going to get a job, then they go tell their unemployment office "I went here , here, and here for a job". Or the ones who simply abuse the system and don't even bother trying to look for work.

I understand your frustration but you and I both know that these people are the exception. Not the norm.

Statistics clearly show that.

You'd have to point me to somewhere where those statistics exist, Fit. Because I only remember seeing articles about "actual fraud" being in the billions for SNAP and EBTs.

I work in construction.. And I always find myself laughing at the guy that comes up wearing slippers, jogging pants, and a t-shirt with a bud leaf on it and saying.. Ya'll hiring?

When asked what he can do.. I can do it all I think..

Those guys aren't serious.. The ones I hate turning back are the ones coming in wearing work clothes and asking if we have any work for them to do.. which here they'd make $40/hour thanks to the Union rates.

Why does a guy delivering flowers have four children? If he's been laid off through no fault of his own and is working/looking hard for a replacement gig, then fine. Otherwise, WTF is he thinking?

(01-17-2014 02:26 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Why does a guy delivering flowers have four children? If he's been laid off through no fault of his own and is working/looking hard for a replacement gig, then fine. Otherwise, WTF is he thinking?

I won't knock the guy that way, JMU. You don't know the guys story. Did he have a great job and could afford a four-kid familiy.

(01-17-2014 02:31 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 02:26 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Why does a guy delivering flowers have four children? If he's been laid off through no fault of his own and is working/looking hard for a replacement gig, then fine. Otherwise, WTF is he thinking?

I won't knock the guy that way, JMU. You don't know the guys story. Did he have a great job and could afford a four-kid familiy.

Errr, did you read what I wrote? You just restated what I said, basically.

(01-17-2014 02:48 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 02:31 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 02:26 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Why does a guy delivering flowers have four children? If he's been laid off through no fault of his own and is working/looking hard for a replacement gig, then fine. Otherwise, WTF is he thinking?

I won't knock the guy that way, JMU. You don't know the guys story. Did he have a great job and could afford a four-kid familiy.

Errr, did you read what I wrote? You just restated what I said, basically.

When I see an "otherwise" JMU, i usually read that as "but... i believe" (apologies if I misread your intention)

My friend actually used to work for a Chiropractor and was making very good money when he had his four kids. Then his boss got caught cooking the books so he lost his job and has been jumping around ever since. He went back to school to learn physical therapy but could never find a job. Now he is thousands of dollars in debt, on HUD and food stamps and who knows what else. It's been pretty rough for him. He is a good guy who has been down on his luck for a while now.

(01-16-2014 08:48 PM)maximus Wrote:  UofMemphis is proud he stole food stamps from poor people when he was in college.

True story

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Oh, please do tell.

(01-17-2014 03:42 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  My friend actually used to work for a Chiropractor and was making very good money when he had his four kids. Then his boss got caught cooking the books so he lost his job and has been jumping around ever since. He went back to school to learn physical therapy but could never find a job. Now he is thousands of dollars in debt, on HUD and food stamps and who knows what else. It's been pretty rough for him. He is a good guy who has been down on his luck for a while now.

And there you go. 100% no problem with that at all. THIS is precisely who should be getting this help and I doubt there's much of anyone on here that would object. Matter of fact, if he is looking, working doing (mostly) the right things I wouldn't have any objection to his getting further help through free training, low interest loans to make ends meet a little easier etc.

BUT, it's the leeches and frauds that make that near impossible. They suck so much of the resources up that it poisons the will of an otherwise sympathetic public and limits the resources available to this type of scenario.

Aside- Da Saint, when I said Otherwise, it meant other than the situation I had just described in that same post.

(01-17-2014 03:54 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 03:42 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  My friend actually used to work for a Chiropractor and was making very good money when he had his four kids. Then his boss got caught cooking the books so he lost his job and has been jumping around ever since. He went back to school to learn physical therapy but could never find a job. Now he is thousands of dollars in debt, on HUD and food stamps and who knows what else. It's been pretty rough for him. He is a good guy who has been down on his luck for a while now.

And there you go. 100% no problem with that at all. THIS is precisely who should be getting this help and I doubt there's much of anyone on here that would object. Matter of fact, if he is looking, working doing (mostly) the right things I wouldn't have any objection to his getting further help through free training, low interest loans to make ends meet a little easier etc.

BUT, it's the leeches and frauds that make that near impossible. They suck so much of the resources up that it poisons the will of an otherwise sympathetic public and limits the resources available to this type of scenario.

Aside- Da Saint, when I said Otherwise, it meant other than the situation I had just described in that same post.

But that is just it. Most people don't realize how many people social programs are helping. They tend to focus only on the few who cheat the system.

(01-17-2014 04:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 03:54 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 03:42 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  My friend actually used to work for a Chiropractor and was making very good money when he had his four kids. Then his boss got caught cooking the books so he lost his job and has been jumping around ever since. He went back to school to learn physical therapy but could never find a job. Now he is thousands of dollars in debt, on HUD and food stamps and who knows what else. It's been pretty rough for him. He is a good guy who has been down on his luck for a while now.

And there you go. 100% no problem with that at all. THIS is precisely who should be getting this help and I doubt there's much of anyone on here that would object. Matter of fact, if he is looking, working doing (mostly) the right things I wouldn't have any objection to his getting further help through free training, low interest loans to make ends meet a little easier etc.

BUT, it's the leeches and frauds that make that near impossible. They suck so much of the resources up that it poisons the will of an otherwise sympathetic public and limits the resources available to this type of scenario.

Aside- Da Saint, when I said Otherwise, it meant other than the situation I had just described in that same post.

But that is just it. Most people don't realize how many people social programs are helping. They tend to focus only on the few who cheat the system.

No, most people don't realize how social programs are hurting people. They tend to focus only on the short term benefits, instead of seeing how they harm the chance of long term improvement.

(01-17-2014 04:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 03:54 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 03:42 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  My friend actually used to work for a Chiropractor and was making very good money when he had his four kids. Then his boss got caught cooking the books so he lost his job and has been jumping around ever since. He went back to school to learn physical therapy but could never find a job. Now he is thousands of dollars in debt, on HUD and food stamps and who knows what else. It's been pretty rough for him. He is a good guy who has been down on his luck for a while now.

And there you go. 100% no problem with that at all. THIS is precisely who should be getting this help and I doubt there's much of anyone on here that would object. Matter of fact, if he is looking, working doing (mostly) the right things I wouldn't have any objection to his getting further help through free training, low interest loans to make ends meet a little easier etc.

BUT, it's the leeches and frauds that make that near impossible. They suck so much of the resources up that it poisons the will of an otherwise sympathetic public and limits the resources available to this type of scenario.

Aside- Da Saint, when I said Otherwise, it meant other than the situation I had just described in that same post.

But that is just it. Most people don't realize how many people social programs are helping. They tend to focus only on the few who cheat the system.

Well, cause that's the problem. It's not a "few". Unless you are referring to a "few" million.

(01-17-2014 03:50 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 08:48 PM)maximus Wrote:  UofMemphis is proud he stole food stamps from poor people when he was in college.

True story

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Oh, please do tell.

what a bunch of loons...I'm the one who told "the story"

I've never been dishonest about my choices...you should simply read my posts if you want to know more.

(01-16-2014 08:17 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Lets all hate the poor! yay

Did you bother reading the story? Better question...... do you know how to read?

(01-17-2014 04:45 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 08:17 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Lets all hate the poor! yay

Did you bother reading the story? Better question...... do you know how to read?

no, I have no idea how to read but love message boards...that makes a lot of sense.

(01-17-2014 04:28 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 04:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 03:54 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 03:42 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  My friend actually used to work for a Chiropractor and was making very good money when he had his four kids. Then his boss got caught cooking the books so he lost his job and has been jumping around ever since. He went back to school to learn physical therapy but could never find a job. Now he is thousands of dollars in debt, on HUD and food stamps and who knows what else. It's been pretty rough for him. He is a good guy who has been down on his luck for a while now.

And there you go. 100% no problem with that at all. THIS is precisely who should be getting this help and I doubt there's much of anyone on here that would object. Matter of fact, if he is looking, working doing (mostly) the right things I wouldn't have any objection to his getting further help through free training, low interest loans to make ends meet a little easier etc.

BUT, it's the leeches and frauds that make that near impossible. They suck so much of the resources up that it poisons the will of an otherwise sympathetic public and limits the resources available to this type of scenario.

Aside- Da Saint, when I said Otherwise, it meant other than the situation I had just described in that same post.

But that is just it. Most people don't realize how many people social programs are helping. They tend to focus only on the few who cheat the system.

No, most people don't realize how social programs are hurting people. They tend to focus only on the short term benefits, instead of seeing how they harm the chance of long term improvement.

Well said.

(01-17-2014 04:47 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 04:45 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-16-2014 08:17 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Lets all hate the poor! yay

Did you bother reading the story? Better question...... do you know how to read?

no, I have no idea how to read but love message boards...that makes a lot of sense.

then perhaps you should stop being intentionally obtuse.

(01-17-2014 04:28 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 04:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 03:54 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 03:42 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  My friend actually used to work for a Chiropractor and was making very good money when he had his four kids. Then his boss got caught cooking the books so he lost his job and has been jumping around ever since. He went back to school to learn physical therapy but could never find a job. Now he is thousands of dollars in debt, on HUD and food stamps and who knows what else. It's been pretty rough for him. He is a good guy who has been down on his luck for a while now.

And there you go. 100% no problem with that at all. THIS is precisely who should be getting this help and I doubt there's much of anyone on here that would object. Matter of fact, if he is looking, working doing (mostly) the right things I wouldn't have any objection to his getting further help through free training, low interest loans to make ends meet a little easier etc.

BUT, it's the leeches and frauds that make that near impossible. They suck so much of the resources up that it poisons the will of an otherwise sympathetic public and limits the resources available to this type of scenario.

Aside- Da Saint, when I said Otherwise, it meant other than the situation I had just described in that same post.

But that is just it. Most people don't realize how many people social programs are helping. They tend to focus only on the few who cheat the system.

No, most people don't realize how social programs are hurting people. They tend to focus only on the short term benefits, instead of seeing how they harm the chance of long term improvement.

Look at the statistics. There is no such thing as "long term". The vast majority of people on social programs do not stay on them for very long.