(02-01-2014 07:32 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Buying enough plows and salt trucks and salt to have made a difference would have been a huge expenditure that would sit idle and useless except in this situation, which happens how often? Is that a reasonable use of resources?

There are situations where the expenditure of resources to deal with a rare event is justified by the potential consequences should that event occur. If we had been as well prepared to deal with a deep water oil well blowout as are the North Sea countries, the impact of Macondo would have been much less severe.

But in this case, when all things are considered, the cost of being prepared to deal with the consequences of this storm probably far outweigh the impact of this event. One probably good consequence is that now that people have seen the impact, they should take seriously warnings to stay home next time. Of course, as my Good fellow Owl points out, a lot of the problem in Atlanta is that the city simply is not designed to handle its regular traffic in an efficient manner, so any complication takes things beyond the pale.

The city/state already have the dump trucks in their fleet. They would just need some spreaders to go in the back. I am not sure how much they cost but lets say they are 13,0000 and there is a need for 150 trucks(I think that is a high estimate-probably closer to 100). That is under $2,000,000 for the spreaders. Not sure how much a few salt building cost but I am not really sure that it wouldn't take very many for a state like Georgia. All-in-all likely under $10-15 million(not including labor-which would not cost much yearly). That is probably a good investment given the amount of money lost because few went to work.

Once again, the liberal, Democrat leaders in Atlanta, prove their failure at running a government.

(02-02-2014 03:03 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  Once again, the liberal, Democrat leaders in Atlanta, prove their failure at running a government.

The Governor of Georgia is a Republican and both chambers of the General Assembly are overwhelmingly controlled by the Republican Party. The actual City of Atlanta is only a portion of metro Atlanta. What are there, seven counties an who knows how many municipalities that make up metro Atlanta. I think there are 19 different school districts. I think it is probably true that the city is run by Democrats but I bet the vast majority of those municipalities and counties are Republican.

Within the city itself I don't think there was nearly the problems as were found on the interstates through the metro area, so I don't think they were the ones that screwed up. That said, political affiliation has very little to do with government at the county or municipal level. Nothing makes a "liberal" look more like a "conservative" than sitting on a city or county board and nothing makes a "conservative" look more like a "liberal" than the same thing.

(02-02-2014 02:53 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 07:32 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Buying enough plows and salt trucks and salt to have made a difference would have been a huge expenditure that would sit idle and useless except in this situation, which happens how often? Is that a reasonable use of resources?

There are situations where the expenditure of resources to deal with a rare event is justified by the potential consequences should that event occur. If we had been as well prepared to deal with a deep water oil well blowout as are the North Sea countries, the impact of Macondo would have been much less severe.

But in this case, when all things are considered, the cost of being prepared to deal with the consequences of this storm probably far outweigh the impact of this event. One probably good consequence is that now that people have seen the impact, they should take seriously warnings to stay home next time. Of course, as my Good fellow Owl points out, a lot of the problem in Atlanta is that the city simply is not designed to handle its regular traffic in an efficient manner, so any complication takes things beyond the pale.

The city/state already have the dump trucks in their fleet. They would just need some spreaders to go in the back. I am not sure how much they cost but lets say they are 13,0000 and there is a need for 150 trucks(I think that is a high estimate-probably closer to 100). That is under $2,000,000 for the spreaders. Not sure how much a few salt building cost but I am not really sure that it wouldn't take very many for a state like Georgia. All-in-all likely under $10-15 million(not including labor-which would not cost much yearly). That is probably a good investment given the amount of money lost because few went to work.

Atlanta needs to do something, because as the planet warms and the oceans rise there will probably be a lot more global warming snow storms and blizzards.

(02-02-2014 04:03 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-02-2014 02:53 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 07:32 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Buying enough plows and salt trucks and salt to have made a difference would have been a huge expenditure that would sit idle and useless except in this situation, which happens how often? Is that a reasonable use of resources?

There are situations where the expenditure of resources to deal with a rare event is justified by the potential consequences should that event occur. If we had been as well prepared to deal with a deep water oil well blowout as are the North Sea countries, the impact of Macondo would have been much less severe.

But in this case, when all things are considered, the cost of being prepared to deal with the consequences of this storm probably far outweigh the impact of this event. One probably good consequence is that now that people have seen the impact, they should take seriously warnings to stay home next time. Of course, as my Good fellow Owl points out, a lot of the problem in Atlanta is that the city simply is not designed to handle its regular traffic in an efficient manner, so any complication takes things beyond the pale.

The city/state already have the dump trucks in their fleet. They would just need some spreaders to go in the back. I am not sure how much they cost but lets say they are 13,0000 and there is a need for 150 trucks(I think that is a high estimate-probably closer to 100). That is under $2,000,000 for the spreaders. Not sure how much a few salt building cost but I am not really sure that it wouldn't take very many for a state like Georgia. All-in-all likely under $10-15 million(not including labor-which would not cost much yearly). That is probably a good investment given the amount of money lost because few went to work.

Atlanta needs to do something, because as the planet warms and the oceans rise there will probably be a lot more global warming snow storms and blizzards.

jesus christ you've got to be a troll because you're simply too stupid to exist.

(02-02-2014 04:05 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(02-02-2014 04:03 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-02-2014 02:53 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 07:32 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Buying enough plows and salt trucks and salt to have made a difference would have been a huge expenditure that would sit idle and useless except in this situation, which happens how often? Is that a reasonable use of resources?

There are situations where the expenditure of resources to deal with a rare event is justified by the potential consequences should that event occur. If we had been as well prepared to deal with a deep water oil well blowout as are the North Sea countries, the impact of Macondo would have been much less severe.

But in this case, when all things are considered, the cost of being prepared to deal with the consequences of this storm probably far outweigh the impact of this event. One probably good consequence is that now that people have seen the impact, they should take seriously warnings to stay home next time. Of course, as my Good fellow Owl points out, a lot of the problem in Atlanta is that the city simply is not designed to handle its regular traffic in an efficient manner, so any complication takes things beyond the pale.

The city/state already have the dump trucks in their fleet. They would just need some spreaders to go in the back. I am not sure how much they cost but lets say they are 13,0000 and there is a need for 150 trucks(I think that is a high estimate-probably closer to 100). That is under $2,000,000 for the spreaders. Not sure how much a few salt building cost but I am not really sure that it wouldn't take very many for a state like Georgia. All-in-all likely under $10-15 million(not including labor-which would not cost much yearly). That is probably a good investment given the amount of money lost because few went to work.

Atlanta needs to do something, because as the planet warms and the oceans rise there will probably be a lot more global warming snow storms and blizzards.

jesus christ you've got to be a troll because you're simply too stupid to exist.

Just adhering to Al Gore's meme, or is his truth too inconvenient for you?

(02-02-2014 03:03 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  Once again, the liberal, Democrat leaders in Atlanta, prove their failure at running a government.

well, jeepers, the answer to failure of government must be...wait for it.....even more government! Lets create a study committee, a permanent "Atlanta snow commission", add more government jobs, etc...etc...