(12-11-2013 05:37 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  You mean those railroading of rules in Tampa had consequences?? Nawwwwwwww you don't say.

Quote:One proposal being weighed by the RNC members would involve sanctioning a small handful of debates while penalizing candidates who participate in any nonsanctioned GOP debate by stripping them of one-third of their delegates to the national convention.

http://reason.com/blog/2013/12/11/republ...-its-prima

Because Ken Cuccinelli.

You guys are way off base here - nobody is worried about Libertarians. They are worried about the Tea Party.

(12-12-2013 06:57 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 06:44 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:07 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:03 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 07:54 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  How so?

By making it very hard to get an edge. By constantly attacking the GOP and aligning themselves with the liberal media's attack on the GOP. By diluting the vote. I honestly don't see much difference between the common libertarians and liberals. They kind of remind me of anarcho socialists with their attitude on entities like the police. Other than that, I don't see much of the fiscal savings but a whole lot of the social liberalism.+


We are at war with liberalism. That will only escalate. At some point the libertarians are going to have to choose. The GOP is the only weapon we have against liberalism - and libertarians promote much of the liberal agenda.

Yes..Limited government and Fiscal and personal responsibility are for sure Liberal agendas. Gotcha.

And you'd throw it all away in order for homosexual perverts to be normalized and celebrated.

Nobody is going to agree 100%. Libertarians need to step back and reassess priorities and the republican establishment needs to go.

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The principle of non aggression is the nexus of Libertarian philosophy. I don't see that changing. Just the fact that you instantly brought up the gay issue clearly shows the problem the GOP has...and obsession with controlling the lives of others that are not in any way harming anyone.

I am not a gay supporter...but...until they violate non aggression principle...what they do is none of my business...period. I don't have to like what they do. I just know for me to live free...I must allow others the same privilege.

When you are teaching to my kids against our own moral philosophy and try to recruit my kids to your lifestyle, you are violating the "principle of non-aggression". The whole principle is bullsh*t anyway.

The government is always the aggressor and it would be no different if it was controlled by a libertarian. One of the biggest libertarians in world history that managed to wrest power was Maxmillian Robespierre and his rise led to the reign of terror. You need to find out what is important to you. You say the gay issue isn't, but you just admitted are willing to let the power go into the hands of those like Barack Obama and Terry McAulliffe over the issue, telling me that gays are more important to you than limited government. Cuccinelli even got Ron Paul enthusiastically campaigning for him and the libertarians still threw 7% to a fake libertarian that worked for the Clinton campaign... and all over the single issue of homosexualism.

(12-12-2013 08:14 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  Because Ken Cuccinelli.

You guys are way off base here - nobody is worried about Libertarians. They are worried about the Tea Party.

The GOP was FAR more hostile to Ron Paul -- down to the bitter end when he had clearly already lost -- than they ever were with crazy Ken.

Good! Now you will all have to vote for Chris Christie. Glad the establishment is putting you tea-partiers in your place.

(12-12-2013 09:38 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 08:14 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  Because Ken Cuccinelli.

You guys are way off base here - nobody is worried about Libertarians. They are worried about the Tea Party.

The GOP was FAR more hostile to Ron Paul -- down to the bitter end when he had clearly already lost -- than they ever were with crazy Ken.

Put forward a platform the masses can get on board with. I'm going to tell you right now that the drug war and police brutality is pretty low on the American totem pole. Bashing the GOP isn't helping your cause. If the libertarians want to be relevant, they will need to demonstrate they can lead.

Right now they have nothing but criticism - mainly directed at the RNC.

(12-12-2013 09:42 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Right now they have nothing but criticism - mainly directed at the RNC.

They also have money that Terrence McAuliffe's boys handed them to help beat Cuccinelli.

(12-12-2013 10:47 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 09:42 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Right now they have nothing but criticism - mainly directed at the RNC.

They also have money that Terrence McAuliffe's boys handed them to help beat Cuccinelli.

Exactly.

(12-12-2013 12:00 AM)RaiderATO Wrote:  Liberties have eroded under the watchful eye of Republicans just as much as Democrats. I've decided to support neither, because both just lay their heavy hand on top of me.

Exactly the truth... there is no "lesser of 2 evils" between these parties. They both are pure evil as far as the Constitution is concerned and I wish more voters would recognize this and vote in different parties all together until these 2 "major" parties finally saw the light and started looking out for the middle class. Both of them suck balls.

(12-12-2013 01:40 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 12:00 AM)RaiderATO Wrote:  Liberties have eroded under the watchful eye of Republicans just as much as Democrats. I've decided to support neither, because both just lay their heavy hand on top of me.

Exactly the truth... there is no "lesser of 2 evils" between these parties. They both are pure evil as far as the Constitution is concerned and I wish more voters would recognize this and vote in different parties all together until these 2 "major" parties finally saw the light and started looking out for the middle class. Both of them suck balls.

Not buying this anymore. Liberty continues to erode as the libertarians continue to aid the democrats in winning elections.

(12-12-2013 09:20 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  The government is always the aggressor and it would be no different if it was controlled by a libertarian. One of the biggest libertarians in world history that managed to wrest power was Maxmillian Robespierre and his rise led to the reign of terror. You need to find out what is important to you. You say the gay issue isn't, but you just admitted are willing to let the power go into the hands of those like Barack Obama and Terry McAulliffe over the issue, telling me that gays are more important to you than limited government. Cuccinelli even got Ron Paul enthusiastically campaigning for him and the libertarians still threw 7% to a fake libertarian that worked for the Clinton campaign... and all over the single issue of homosexualism.

His point is that there is very little difference between the candidates in either major party. That is what a handful of the Republicans around here don't understand... Libertarians and independents hate the fact that neither party stands for the Constitution anymore. They hate the fact that both parties have attacked the freedoms we have been promised from day 1. I don't understand why you fail to understand this... it isn't about gay vs straight, black vs white, it is about protections afforded us in the Constitution that neither party represents any longer. It is a disgrace that we are forced to vote for 2 parties that are both evil.

(12-12-2013 01:42 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Not buying this anymore. Liberty continues to erode as the libertarians continue to aid the democrats in winning elections.

The Patriot Act was bipartisan. The NSA is bipartisan. Both parties are completely involved with not only keeping them in power, but protecting them.

No, Libertarians do not care about the right wing social issues (gay rights, abortion, etc.) just as they do not care about the left wing social issues (welfare, social security, medicare/Medicaid).

(12-11-2013 09:27 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 05:55 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  If Christie is the Republican nominee I'll be voting for Hillary. I will not hold my nose to vote for another establishment candidate.

Hillary! is the ultimate establishment candidate.

She's Obama in a pantsuit minus the Chicago connections. The woman lies as effortlessly as the big O, and is shamelessly lusting after power. That's what motivates her.

If she and Christie are the nominees, I may have to vote 'other.'

(12-12-2013 01:47 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 01:42 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Not buying this anymore. Liberty continues to erode as the libertarians continue to aid the democrats in winning elections.

The Patriot Act was bipartisan. The NSA is bipartisan. Both parties are completely involved with not only keeping them in power, but protecting them.

No, Libertarians do not care about the right wing social issues (gay rights, abortion, etc.) just as they do not care about the left wing social issues (welfare, social security, medicare/Medicaid).

The NSA is not using the Patriot Act to spy on everyday Americans. The author of the Patriot Act has confirmed that. I also do not believe they do not care about the liberal agenda. They take money from DNC boosters to help defeat RNC candidates.

The best thing for the RNC is to break any association with the Libertarian movement and let them fend for themselves. If the Democrats want to fund them, at least they can't hide behind a GOP ticket.

I'm sorry dude. I don't believe the libertarians are genuine.

(12-12-2013 01:53 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  The best thing for the RNC is to break any association with the Libertarian movement and let them fend for themselves. If the Democrats want to fund them, at least they can't hide behind a GOP ticket.

I'm sorry dude. I don't believe the libertarians are genuine.

You are loony. While I'm not really a libertarian, my stances usually line up with theirs on MOST issues. I don't know where you get your ideas on this from but they seem off by quite a bit.

I'm hoping for some sanity to surface from the GOP leadership but that is a pipe dream. All they seem to want is to push on us some candidate whom most would have to hold their nose to vote for - same as it ever was. Christie fits the bill.

Most of what we see in D.C. is political theatre. The decisions have already been made and the "two parties" are just playing their parts. They know that we're heading down the tubes at 'private sector velocity' and don't really want to be leading when it all crashes down.

The GOP has already broken away from any "Libertarian" movement because they decided to get into bed with the Conservative Christian organizations. Since then things have really been on a downhill run for the GOP. The Democrats, at the same time, embraced those "liberal" viewpoints (specifically gay rights) and you've seen where their party has gone.

(12-12-2013 02:09 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 01:53 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  The best thing for the RNC is to break any association with the Libertarian movement and let them fend for themselves. If the Democrats want to fund them, at least they can't hide behind a GOP ticket.

I'm sorry dude. I don't believe the libertarians are genuine.

You are loony. While I'm not really a libertarian, my stances usually line up with theirs on MOST issues. I don't know where you get your ideas on this from but they seem off by quite a bit.

I'm hoping for some sanity to surface from the GOP leadership but that is a pipe dream. All they seem to want is to push on us some candidate whom most would have to hold their nose to vote for - same as it ever was. Christie fits the bill.

Most of what we see in D.C. is political theatre. The decisions have already been made and the "two parties" are just playing their parts. They know that we're heading down the tubes at 'private sector velocity' and don't really want to be leading when it all crashes down.

Pointing out the facts. Nothing the libertarians have done would make me believe they are anything more than an arm of the DNC.

1. They take donations from DNC boosters
2. They rail against the RNC
3. They don't offer any concrete alternative that the masses can get behind.
4. Repeat and promote negative propaganda aimed at the RNC
5. Purposely attempt to dilute the RNC vote.

(12-12-2013 02:32 PM)mlb Wrote:  The GOP has already broken away from any "Libertarian" movement because they decided to get into bed with the Conservative Christian organizations. Since then things have really been on a downhill run for the GOP. The Democrats, at the same time, embraced those "liberal" viewpoints (specifically gay rights) and you've seen where their party has gone.

Newsflash. We are a conservative party. We always have been.

Solution: Stop riding the GOP coat tails. Run under a libertarian ticket - not our ticket. Form an identity all your own. Let people decide.

(12-12-2013 02:58 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  2. They rail against the RNC
3. They don't offer any concrete alternative that the masses can get behind.
4. Repeat and promote negative propaganda aimed at the RNC

You sure you aren't talking about the Tea Party here?

(12-12-2013 03:02 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-12-2013 02:58 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  2. They rail against the RNC
3. They don't offer any concrete alternative that the masses can get behind.
4. Repeat and promote negative propaganda aimed at the RNC

You sure you aren't talking about the Tea Party here?

The Tea Party is simply a group that demands fiscal responsibility. Last time I checked, the DNC wasn't funding the Tea Party.

The Tea Party does everything you just mentioned above. Just sayin'....