(12-11-2013 08:14 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:05 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:01 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 07:42 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 07:39 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romneycare

Nah, you just drink the kool aid too much and treat politics too much like a team sport. Libertarians are driven by principle. You are driven by a collection of issues -- which have ideological and morally conflicting implications -- and above all a hatred of "the other guys".

That doesn't tell me anything. That is my observation from watching libertarians. Libertarians help democrats win elections....period.

It does not tell you anything because you have been programmed ignore it...not because it is not true. Stop blaming your failures on others. Own them Okie. The GOP has not offered Libertarians anything to vote for lately. When it does...Ill support them. It is not complicated.

My failures? We aren't talking about my failures. I am very successful. What are your failures? I am member of a party that is relevant.


You are a prime example. The only thing libertarian about you is that avatar.

A prime example of what...someone that won't compromise their principles at the voting booth?
There is nothing particularly Libertarian about the Gadsden BTW..but..carry on with your diatribe.

Got your Obamacare card yet? Are you even sure you are insured?

(12-11-2013 08:16 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:14 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:05 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:01 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 07:42 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  That doesn't tell me anything. That is my observation from watching libertarians. Libertarians help democrats win elections....period.

It does not tell you anything because you have been programmed ignore it...not because it is not true. Stop blaming your failures on others. Own them Okie. The GOP has not offered Libertarians anything to vote for lately. When it does...Ill support them. It is not complicated.

My failures? We aren't talking about my failures. I am very successful. What are your failures? I am member of a party that is relevant.


You are a prime example. The only thing libertarian about you is that avatar.

A prime example of what...someone that won't compromise their principles at the voting booth?
There is nothing particularly Libertarian about the Gadsden BTW..but..carry on with your diatribe.

Got your Obamacare card yet? Are you even sure you are insured?

I have zero idea where you came to this. Evidently you misunderstood something. Have not signed up for anything. I work with several men that did because they received the welfare. I was not involved in that. I had to buy my policy directly from NCBCBS and did. Coverage Jan 1..only subsidized by my employer and I. Enough with the nonsense.

(12-11-2013 08:16 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Got your Obamacare card yet? Are you even sure you are insured?

You're approaching (RobertN ^ -1).

(12-11-2013 08:22 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:16 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:14 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:05 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:01 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  It does not tell you anything because you have been programmed ignore it...not because it is not true. Stop blaming your failures on others. Own them Okie. The GOP has not offered Libertarians anything to vote for lately. When it does...Ill support them. It is not complicated.

My failures? We aren't talking about my failures. I am very successful. What are your failures? I am member of a party that is relevant.


You are a prime example. The only thing libertarian about you is that avatar.

A prime example of what...someone that won't compromise their principles at the voting booth?
There is nothing particularly Libertarian about the Gadsden BTW..but..carry on with your diatribe.

Got your Obamacare card yet? Are you even sure you are insured?

I have zero idea where you came to this. Evidently you misunderstood something. Have not signed up for anything. I work with several men that did because they received the welfare. I was not involved in that. I had to buy my policy directly from NCBCBS and did. Coverage Jan 1..only subsidized by my employer and I. Enough with the nonsense.

You told me that you and your entire company bought a plan through the ACA website.

(12-11-2013 08:22 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:16 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Got your Obamacare card yet? Are you even sure you are insured?

You're approaching (RobertN ^ -1).

False. Robert doesn't have a stance. I do.

Please feel free to change my mind about libertarians. Maybe if I see more libertarians talk about what they stand for, and how their solutions are the answer - instead of their constant attack on the GOP - I'll change my tune. I want to hear more than the usual drug war crap, how cops suck and a vague idea about a smaller but more powerful military.

You can be mad at me for speaking up about it, but I can promise you that my tone is shared by a large segment.

(12-11-2013 08:25 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:22 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:16 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:14 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:05 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  My failures? We aren't talking about my failures. I am very successful. What are your failures? I am member of a party that is relevant.


You are a prime example. The only thing libertarian about you is that avatar.

A prime example of what...someone that won't compromise their principles at the voting booth?
There is nothing particularly Libertarian about the Gadsden BTW..but..carry on with your diatribe.

Got your Obamacare card yet? Are you even sure you are insured?

I have zero idea where you came to this. Evidently you misunderstood something. Have not signed up for anything. I work with several men that did because they received the welfare. I was not involved in that. I had to buy my policy directly from NCBCBS and did. Coverage Jan 1..only subsidized by my employer and I. Enough with the nonsense.

You told me that you and your entire company bought a plan through the ACA website.

If I said that?...I misspoke..the ones the qualified for subsidies did... Those of us that didn't had no reason to do that. The same gentleman handled all of it.

(12-11-2013 08:56 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:25 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:22 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:16 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:14 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  A prime example of what...someone that won't compromise their principles at the voting booth?
There is nothing particularly Libertarian about the Gadsden BTW..but..carry on with your diatribe.

Got your Obamacare card yet? Are you even sure you are insured?

I have zero idea where you came to this. Evidently you misunderstood something. Have not signed up for anything. I work with several men that did because they received the welfare. I was not involved in that. I had to buy my policy directly from NCBCBS and did. Coverage Jan 1..only subsidized by my employer and I. Enough with the nonsense.

You told me that you and your entire company bought a plan through the ACA website.

If I said that?...I misspoke..the ones the qualified for subsidies did... Those of us that didn't had no reason to do that. The same gentleman handled all of it.

That's s bit of a relief. It would seem that the ACA would go against the very core of the libertarian platform.

This is what the democrats bring. The exact opposite of what the libertarians say they stand for. That being said, nothing else should matter but to remove the very people who made this and all the other unspeakable nanny state initiatives a reality.

We need to remember that the GOP runs one of three wheels. We also need to remind ourselves who controls the media and how the media controls America.

I don't give two chits about a drug war or the cops or anything else that takes us off the main focus. You guys need to stop trashing the GOP at every turn, start kicking some ass and practice what you preach.

That's my stance.

If theres no Libertarian (or libertarian) on the ballot, I'd rather stay home before voting Republican or Democrat.

Libertarians didn't STEAL my vote from the Republicans. Republicans never had it to begin with.

(12-11-2013 05:55 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  If Christie is the Republican nominee I'll be voting for Hillary. I will not hold my nose to vote for another establishment candidate.

Hillary! is the ultimate establishment candidate.

(12-11-2013 09:26 PM)RaiderATO Wrote:  If theres no Libertarian (or libertarian) on the ballot, I'd rather stay home before voting Republican or Democrat.

Libertarians didn't STEAL my vote from the Republicans. Republicans never had it to begin with.

Then you deserve everything Obama and the Democrats make a reality, because you don't have the numbers to stop them.

(12-11-2013 09:04 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:56 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:25 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:22 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:16 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Got your Obamacare card yet? Are you even sure you are insured?

I have zero idea where you came to this. Evidently you misunderstood something. Have not signed up for anything. I work with several men that did because they received the welfare. I was not involved in that. I had to buy my policy directly from NCBCBS and did. Coverage Jan 1..only subsidized by my employer and I. Enough with the nonsense.

You told me that you and your entire company bought a plan through the ACA website.

If I said that?...I misspoke..the ones the qualified for subsidies did... Those of us that didn't had no reason to do that. The same gentleman handled all of it.

That's s bit of a relief. It would seem that the ACA would go against the very core of the libertarian platform.

This is what the democrats bring. The exact opposite of what the libertarians say they stand for. That being said, nothing else should matter but to remove the very people who made this and all the other unspeakable nanny state initiatives a reality.

We need to remember that the GOP runs one of three wheels. We also need to remind ourselves who controls the media and how the media controls America.

I don't give two chits about a drug war or the cops or anything else that takes us off the main focus. You guys need to stop trashing the GOP at every turn, start kicking some ass and practice what you preach.

That's my stance.

I don't trash the GOP anymore than the other gang. In fact less. I don't have that many problems with the GOP..but..a small number of issues are deal breakers with me... Like a cat that schits on the carpet...and...I am not alone in my sentiments from the results the GOP is getting from Independents lately. It is up to the GOP to get me to support it. The opportunity is there for the taking if it has just a tiny bit of vision.

(12-11-2013 09:32 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 09:26 PM)RaiderATO Wrote:  If theres no Libertarian (or libertarian) on the ballot, I'd rather stay home before voting Republican or Democrat.

Libertarians didn't STEAL my vote from the Republicans. Republicans never had it to begin with.

Then you deserve everything Obama and the Democrats make a reality, because you don't have the numbers to stop them.

He tried to give you a hint...and it went right over your head.

(12-11-2013 09:45 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 09:32 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 09:26 PM)RaiderATO Wrote:  If theres no Libertarian (or libertarian) on the ballot, I'd rather stay home before voting Republican or Democrat.

Libertarians didn't STEAL my vote from the Republicans. Republicans never had it to begin with.

Then you deserve everything Obama and the Democrats make a reality, because you don't have the numbers to stop them.

He tried to give you a hint...and it went right over your head.

It's not up to me to convince him elections have consequences. It's why I think libertarians are just Democrat operatives. Surely they can make the connection - they just don't mind the results. Libertarians serve the Democrats.

(12-11-2013 09:51 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 09:45 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 09:32 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 09:26 PM)RaiderATO Wrote:  If theres no Libertarian (or libertarian) on the ballot, I'd rather stay home before voting Republican or Democrat.

Libertarians didn't STEAL my vote from the Republicans. Republicans never had it to begin with.

Then you deserve everything Obama and the Democrats make a reality, because you don't have the numbers to stop them.

He tried to give you a hint...and it went right over your head.

It's not up to me to convince him elections have consequences. It's why I think libertarians are just Democrat operatives. Surely they can make the connection - they just don't mind the results. Libertarians serve the Democrats.

The GOP does not need Libertarians..it needs Independents. It is failing to get them on board also. Keep doing the same things..and keep getting the same results. Is there not a single thing you feel the GOP is missing in its message? Damn man...They got beat badly by a horrible POTUS. I honestly doubt the GOP could beat Jimmy Carter now.

(12-11-2013 09:32 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 09:26 PM)RaiderATO Wrote:  If theres no Libertarian (or libertarian) on the ballot, I'd rather stay home before voting Republican or Democrat.

Libertarians didn't STEAL my vote from the Republicans. Republicans never had it to begin with.

Then you deserve everything Obama and the Democrats make a reality, because you don't have the numbers to stop them.

I deserve it for what? Not buying into your false dichotomy? Having principles? Voting for supporters of freedom instead of red-tinted oppression? Not wanting the govt. in my wallet OR my bedroom? Thinking for myself?

Liberties have eroded under the watchful eye of Republicans just as much as Democrats. I've decided to support neither, because both just lay their heavy hand on top of me.

(12-11-2013 10:11 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 09:51 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 09:45 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 09:32 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 09:26 PM)RaiderATO Wrote:  If theres no Libertarian (or libertarian) on the ballot, I'd rather stay home before voting Republican or Democrat.

Libertarians didn't STEAL my vote from the Republicans. Republicans never had it to begin with.

Then you deserve everything Obama and the Democrats make a reality, because you don't have the numbers to stop them.

He tried to give you a hint...and it went right over your head.

It's not up to me to convince him elections have consequences. It's why I think libertarians are just Democrat operatives. Surely they can make the connection - they just don't mind the results. Libertarians serve the Democrats.

The GOP does not need Libertarians..it needs Independents. It is failing to get them on board also. Keep doing the same things..and keep getting the same results. Is there not a single thing you feel the GOP is missing in its message? Damn man...They got beat badly by a horrible POTUS. I honestly doubt the GOP could beat Jimmy Carter now.

You're wrong there. Independents don't give money, knock doors, and work phones. Libertarians will. There is a huge difference between the two. The GOP needs BOTH.

(12-12-2013 12:25 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 10:11 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 09:51 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 09:45 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 09:32 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Then you deserve everything Obama and the Democrats make a reality, because you don't have the numbers to stop them.

He tried to give you a hint...and it went right over your head.

It's not up to me to convince him elections have consequences. It's why I think libertarians are just Democrat operatives. Surely they can make the connection - they just don't mind the results. Libertarians serve the Democrats.

The GOP does not need Libertarians..it needs Independents. It is failing to get them on board also. Keep doing the same things..and keep getting the same results. Is there not a single thing you feel the GOP is missing in its message? Damn man...They got beat badly by a horrible POTUS. I honestly doubt the GOP could beat Jimmy Carter now.

You're wrong there. Independents don't give money, knock doors, and work phones. Libertarians will. There is a huge difference between the two. The GOP needs BOTH.

It's a false choice, because the things the republicans need to do to attract independents are the same things they need to do to attract libertarians. Independents tend toward fiscal conservatism and social liberalism, and want government to quit spying on them. The opposite of the neocon message

(12-11-2013 08:07 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:03 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 07:54 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 07:42 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 07:39 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romneycare

Nah, you just drink the kool aid too much and treat politics too much like a team sport. Libertarians are driven by principle. You are driven by a collection of issues -- which have ideological and morally conflicting implications -- and above all a hatred of "the other guys".

That doesn't tell me anything. That is my observation from watching libertarians. Libertarians help democrats win elections....period.

How so?

By making it very hard to get an edge. By constantly attacking the GOP and aligning themselves with the liberal media's attack on the GOP. By diluting the vote. I honestly don't see much difference between the common libertarians and liberals. They kind of remind me of anarcho socialists with their attitude on entities like the police. Other than that, I don't see much of the fiscal savings but a whole lot of the social liberalism.+


We are at war with liberalism. That will only escalate. At some point the libertarians are going to have to choose. The GOP is the only weapon we have against liberalism - and libertarians promote much of the liberal agenda.

Yes..Limited government and Fiscal and personal responsibility are for sure Liberal agendas. Gotcha.

And you'd throw it all away in order for homosexual perverts to be normalized and celebrated.

Nobody is going to agree 100%. Libertarians need to step back and reassess priorities and the republican establishment needs to go.

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(12-12-2013 12:25 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 10:11 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 09:51 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 09:45 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 09:32 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Then you deserve everything Obama and the Democrats make a reality, because you don't have the numbers to stop them.

He tried to give you a hint...and it went right over your head.

It's not up to me to convince him elections have consequences. It's why I think libertarians are just Democrat operatives. Surely they can make the connection - they just don't mind the results. Libertarians serve the Democrats.

The GOP does not need Libertarians..it needs Independents. It is failing to get them on board also. Keep doing the same things..and keep getting the same results. Is there not a single thing you feel the GOP is missing in its message? Damn man...They got beat badly by a horrible POTUS. I honestly doubt the GOP could beat Jimmy Carter now.

You're wrong there. Independents don't give money, knock doors, and work phones. Libertarians will. There is a huge difference between the two. The GOP needs BOTH.

But...Libertarians are not going to do that for a traditional GOP candidate.

(12-12-2013 06:44 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:07 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 08:03 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 07:54 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 07:42 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  That doesn't tell me anything. That is my observation from watching libertarians. Libertarians help democrats win elections....period.

How so?

By making it very hard to get an edge. By constantly attacking the GOP and aligning themselves with the liberal media's attack on the GOP. By diluting the vote. I honestly don't see much difference between the common libertarians and liberals. They kind of remind me of anarcho socialists with their attitude on entities like the police. Other than that, I don't see much of the fiscal savings but a whole lot of the social liberalism.+


We are at war with liberalism. That will only escalate. At some point the libertarians are going to have to choose. The GOP is the only weapon we have against liberalism - and libertarians promote much of the liberal agenda.

Yes..Limited government and Fiscal and personal responsibility are for sure Liberal agendas. Gotcha.

And you'd throw it all away in order for homosexual perverts to be normalized and celebrated.

Nobody is going to agree 100%. Libertarians need to step back and reassess priorities and the republican establishment needs to go.

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The principle of non aggression is the nexus of Libertarian philosophy. I don't see that changing. Just the fact that you instantly brought up the gay issue clearly shows the problem the GOP has...and obsession with controlling the lives of others that are not in any way harming anyone.

I am not a gay supporter...but...until they violate non aggression principle...what they do is none of my business...period. I don't have to like what they do. I just know for me to live free...I must allow others the same privilege.