(12-04-2013 03:40 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 02:34 PM)fedale Wrote:  FIU had about 1,000 at our game against them and 500 were Marshall fans... yet they somehow averaged 14,000.

Big numbers make him tired.

(12-04-2013 09:05 PM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 03:40 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 02:34 PM)fedale Wrote:  FIU had about 1,000 at our game against them and 500 were Marshall fans... yet they somehow averaged 14,000.

Big numbers make him tired.

Lol...

Perhaps attendance can be increased by this strategy...

http://www.odusports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...=209331753

(12-04-2013 03:44 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 03:14 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Yep that's an average of 26,201 over the last 5 years to be exact.

I don't know what you are using but my caculator says 25,015 the last 5 years including this one, and lower than that the last 6 years.

For some stupid reason I started at the bottom and worked my way up instead of top down. It was a long day.

(12-04-2013 03:57 PM)919R Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 11:01 AM)9erken Wrote:  16630 is a sellout for the current stadium and with I think 3 non-D1 teams, pretty good numbers.

No, 15,300 is a "official" sell-out. 16,630 is the MAX standing room only total.

You're close... as was stated earlier and discussed in the thread, past the first page... The RICH seats 15,314 with the Fire Marshall setting the occupancy with standing room at 16,630.

Teams are supposed to average 15,000 home-game attendance to be FBS, is that enforced at all?

I would expect that ECU's will increase next year but this economy does suck to high heaven so who knows?

As far as noon kickoffs affecting attendance, I can tell you that I think it helps ECU, with (my opinion only). with a 2 PM or so kickoff being ideal. We have a lot of "out of towners" at the games (like me) and driving four hours round trip can make things difficult. I'm sure that it's the same for Marshall and a few others.

(12-04-2013 11:27 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 11:01 AM)9erken Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 10:49 AM)Digi368 Wrote:  Charlotte fans where did you guys finish up?

Not sure if these numbers are accurate (49RFootballNow could probably give a clear answer), but just based on the box scores, we had 15540 average over 6 home games:

16630
16598
16630
12222
16630
14534

16630 is a sellout for the current stadium and with I think 3 non-D1 teams, pretty good numbers.

15,314 is capacity... anything over that is standing room only crowds, with the Fire Marshall limiting occupancy at 16,630 for the current stadium arrangement.

Can never be too careful with those flammable concrete stadiums, and their limited exits to the outdoors... Why, one cigarette can send the entire thing into an inferno in seconds....

Just kidding (for firefighter posters).

(12-04-2013 10:28 PM)Fear The Beak Wrote:  Teams are supposed to average 15,000 home-game attendance to be FBS, is that enforced at all?

IIRC, You can sell 15,000 $1 tickets to a corporation to meet the requirement. EMU has done it before. I don't think UAB will have to do anything like that since two in-state opponents come to Birmingham next year.

(12-04-2013 10:39 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 10:28 PM)Fear The Beak Wrote:  Teams are supposed to average 15,000 home-game attendance to be FBS, is that enforced at all?

IIRC, You can sell 15,000 $1 tickets to a corporation to meet the requirement. EMU has done it before. I don't think UAB will have to do anything like that since two in-state opponents come to Birmingham next year.

The actual on-the-books requirement isn't enforced because the NCAA has no way of judging actual attendance, and the conferences have effectively blocked this rule by declining to propose a joint definition of attendance.

(12-04-2013 10:31 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  I would expect that ECU's will increase next year but this economy does suck to high heaven so who knows?

As far as noon kickoffs affecting attendance, I can tell you that I think it helps ECU, with (my opinion only). with a 2 PM or so kickoff being ideal. We have a lot of "out of towners" at the games (like me) and driving four hours round trip can make things difficult. I'm sure that it's the same for Marshall and a few others.

I agree the economy does suck because 75% of the jobs that were created this year were part-time. People need full time jobs to pay for sporting events. It costs money to buy tickets, gas, tailgate, pay for parking and get concessions. We will spend $400 just to make a day trip for a home game for our family. We can't go to games before like we once did. I am like you though. I prefer the 2 or 3pm games as it gives us time to get the family together and get to Greenville.

I think we will have much higher attendance next year.

(12-04-2013 01:42 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 01:37 PM)fedale Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 01:14 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 10:44 AM)lmckay92 Wrote:  Marshall had a down year thanks to noon kickoffs.

noon kickoffs . . . it's always something. with the dark powers arrayed against marshall, we can only hope that their uniforms don't spontaneously combust saturday. you can't trust those uniform manufacturers.

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and at no point did we blame that on the conference, our opponents, the BCS, dark conspiracies, or the state of texas.

and that is the point. do you see the difference, princess?

You should have. The same Consortium ran Fedora off and forced your adminstration to hire Ellis. Once they realized you'd be going west they scrapped the idea fired Ellis and gave you Monken.

(12-04-2013 07:42 PM)owl40 Wrote:  There are so many variables to talk smack about

- Players in NFL from your school
- Players on your team
- Your schemes/why you win
- Coaches and what they have done/are doing/their coaching tree
- Graduation/GPA
- Performance in all sports vs. just FB
- Recruiting/Future
- OOC performance for your team/schedule
- Your stats above/beyond scoreboard
- Recognition of your school in things above/beyond the game
- Why your kids are better role models and leaders than others
- etc., etc.

What continues to amaze me is how Herd fans are obsessed w/ this one attendance variable. It is a primary focal point and Herd are not even in the top 75 of FBS attendance and not even #1 or #2 in C-USA. They have one of the top offenses in all of College FB, they have an improved D, they have a legacy to be proud of, they have guys in the NFL, etc., etc. but for whatever reason, it is about butts-in-seats. See it on C-USA board, on Herd Nation, from their media, from their social media, etc., etc. Please turn down the volume. You are so worried about the C-USA 'brand' for this upcoming game b/c of Rice's attendance. Think about what it looks like to your brand when fans at one of the 75+ FBS schools with better attendance than you has to listen to you pound chest about 25K at the Joan. That hurts your credibility.

Lots more (and better) things for Herd fans to be proud about..

For Rice, of course you will never see us talk attendance smack. We know better. When pushed (like this week) we will remind people of our size and higher %'s of participation from people affiliated from the University compared to any other school now in C-USA, our #'s that do travel to bowl games, the unfortunate 'optics' of our stadium vs. people actually there, etc. but we prefer to focus our smack on GPA's, graduation, future leaders, kids not getting in trouble, etc. Increasingly, it has been nice to turn some focus to guys in NFL, recruiting, better stats in all of FBS, etc. but not yet mature enough to get too cocky here...so we have to tread lightly in this new territory for us.

Bottom line...focus your smack on what you are really good at.. Attendance figures of 25,023 does not qualify.

It's easy not to notice when you're home games are in an empty stadium, but one of the reasons we left the MAC was the constantly empty stadiums and the lack of any traveling fans from ANY of the other schools in the MAC. So we get to CUSA and guess what? Same ******* thing. No one is asking any of the CUSA teams to sell out every game. But get some people in the stands, bring some people to other venues, and report it accurately. The NCAA isn't moving anyone down to FCS for less than 15k butts in seats. It's ok to report actual attendance now.

The fact that our attendance has remained basically the same no matter what goes on here for decades shows that 1. Our fans come to watch OUR team play and 2. There just isn't anyone else to draw from in this area.

Also I don't recall anyone saying anything about the conference in relation to noon games except those from other schools. That's our AD that sets the times for home games as far as I know.

(12-04-2013 11:08 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 01:42 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 01:37 PM)fedale Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 01:14 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 10:44 AM)lmckay92 Wrote:  Marshall had a down year thanks to noon kickoffs.

noon kickoffs . . . it's always something. with the dark powers arrayed against marshall, we can only hope that their uniforms don't spontaneously combust saturday. you can't trust those uniform manufacturers.

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and at no point did we blame that on the conference, our opponents, the BCS, dark conspiracies, or the state of texas.

and that is the point. do you see the difference, princess?

You should have. The same Consortium ran Fedora off and forced your adminstration to hire Ellis. Once they realized you'd be going west they scrapped the idea fired Ellis and gave you Monken.

I love how they are lumping in every Marshall fan with being snobby about attendance...

Most aren't that way, but I am... If you're going to have crappy attendance, report it as such... because you have Rice fans saying they average almost the same as us, when our fanbase actually puts them in the stadium.

I mean if you wanna be in a conference where drawing fans doesn't matter... join a Rec league.

And say what you want about the AAC, but I want in.

I'm kind of glad we didn't get into the AAC this time. To be honest, we need to become a dominate team before anybody is going to take us serious. That's the only thing we have going for us. If every season becomes this season, we should be in the next realignment. Then we can be reunited with our old friends.

(12-05-2013 08:04 AM)fedale Wrote:  I love how they are lumping in every Marshall fan with being snobby about attendance...

Most aren't that way, but I am... If you're going to have crappy attendance, report it as such... because you have Rice fans saying they average almost the same as us, when our fanbase actually puts them in the stadium.

I mean if you wanna be in a conference where drawing fans doesn't matter... join a Rec league.

And say what you want about the AAC, but I want in.

I for one believe you will be in the AAC very soon. You have exactly what they are looking for in a candidate, massive attendance and a huge market!

(12-05-2013 08:18 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 08:04 AM)fedale Wrote:  I love how they are lumping in every Marshall fan with being snobby about attendance...

Most aren't that way, but I am... If you're going to have crappy attendance, report it as such... because you have Rice fans saying they average almost the same as us, when our fanbase actually puts them in the stadium.

I mean if you wanna be in a conference where drawing fans doesn't matter... join a Rec league.

And say what you want about the AAC, but I want in.

I for one believe you will be in the AAC very soon. You have exactly what they are looking for in a candidate, massive attendance and a huge market!

Hm. Well despite your sarcasm, they invited Tulsa, which fits neither criteria...

But honestly. UTEP is the only team from the west I feel is a legit program all around, and it sucks they are so far away. You all deserve the MWC.

(12-04-2013 01:37 PM)fedale Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 01:14 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 10:44 AM)lmckay92 Wrote:  Marshall had a down year thanks to noon kickoffs.

noon kickoffs . . . it's always something. with the dark powers arrayed against marshall, we can only hope that their uniforms don't spontaneously combust saturday. you can't trust those uniform manufacturers.

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Yep, and you had possibly your best 2 year run in a decade or more, and we had our worst 2 year run in our 101 years of playing football, yet you only out drew us by 2,300 fans this year.

Blaming the lack of attendance on the time of the kickoff is sooooo small time. Although it's probably 100% true for Marshall, and most schools in CUSA, it exemplifies one of the main causes of the ever expanding gap between the P5 and the G5.

(12-05-2013 08:42 AM)fedale Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 08:18 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 08:04 AM)fedale Wrote:  I love how they are lumping in every Marshall fan with being snobby about attendance...

Most aren't that way, but I am... If you're going to have crappy attendance, report it as such... because you have Rice fans saying they average almost the same as us, when our fanbase actually puts them in the stadium.

I mean if you wanna be in a conference where drawing fans doesn't matter... join a Rec league.

And say what you want about the AAC, but I want in.

I for one believe you will be in the AAC very soon. You have exactly what they are looking for in a candidate, massive attendance and a huge market!

Hm. Well despite your sarcasm, they invited Tulsa, which fits neither criteria...

But honestly. UTEP is the only team from the west I feel is a legit program all around, and it sucks they are so far away. You all deserve the MWC.

Our attendance is ok but not great. Our market is ok but not great. Our FB sucks. Our BB is decent and there is at least reason to believe it will be good for quite a long time. We are going nowhere and really don't deserve to. I hope we grow and flourish right here in C-USA and build rivalries vs UNT, UTSA, Rice, USM, LT and UAB, assuming UAB moves to the west division for FB. Already have a mbb rivalry to some degree with UAB and on our side of things we kind of look at Rice as a FB rival. Don't think they feel the same. UTSA and UNT can only become rivals of ours if we improve in FB and they improve in basketball.

My sarcasm was due to the reference of Marshall wanting the AAC. Everytime one our members, including UTEP (MWC in our case), get pizzed they start talking about leaving. It's silly talk in most cases and deserves a little sarcasm imo.