Nice little Cult over there on Victory Pkwy. Have to admit their Grads to a fine job delivering
my pizza.

(11-19-2013 10:10 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 10:05 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  We don't need that game if it means going to Cintas. The physical safety of the players and fans is of paramount importance. Game should be played downtown or not at all.

Yep, we are not the only program who feels that way, so does Vandy and Purdue.

Spot on Rath, Sub, Jim, Rag and I had some interesting discussions with Vandy fans about it at the Liberty Bowl.

(11-19-2013 07:09 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  There was a even ticket distribution but not an equal amount of fans. Anybody wonder if its possible to move back to campus sites but use an even ticket distribution process that is separate from the season ticket package. To big problem will always be the student section at Xavier.

...ummmm... no...

(11-19-2013 07:08 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I love this rivalry

Me too, but either downtown or not at all.

Superfly - cult is the best way to describe their fans. Lack of class is another. For a small community college they sure think very highly of themselves.

(11-20-2013 10:41 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Nice little Cult over there on Victory Pkwy. Have to admit their Grads to a fine job delivering
my pizza.

Yes, they're deluded thinking "the artist formerly known as the Big East" is actually mentioned in the same breath with the "power conferences". It's now a collection of smaller private universities with mostly local fanbases that USA Today ranks 7th among conferences preseason (below the AAC). As hard as it is for them to accept, objective sources across the country still see Cincy as an historically elite program; many college basketball fans still don't know where X is located.

Enough said. Play downtown or not at all. UC has never "needed" X to remain nationally relevant and won't in the future.

(11-20-2013 08:24 AM)apoe Wrote:  Downtown or cancel it.

My personal distaste for US Bank aside, I thought the game worked well downtown. x clearly wants the game back on campus so they can perpetuate the myth that they have passed UC as a program. Having the game downtown makes them face cold reality as they are soundly out drawn for their "superbowl".

They all of a sudden think that they are Duke or something and everyone should be playing them at Cintas. This from Mack this morning in regards to them continuing the XU/Miami series:

"I’d like to continue to play them. I don’t know if we’re going to go up there, to be very honest,” Mack said. “There aren’t too many teams in our conference that play home-and-home series against (Mid-American Conference) schools.”

I can't wait until they continuously finish 4th or 5th in their new conference. They need a dose of reality to smack them in the face.

(11-20-2013 10:59 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  Superfly - cult is the best way to describe their fans. Lack of class is another. For a small community college they sure think very highly of themselves.

Yep. Whit, his wife probably, and other UC brass were sitting in their seats
after the fight was over and that is when Frease and the other thugs jumped
up on the press table, swung and knocked a mobile phone out of someone's hand, screaming vulgar language at the UC contingent. All the while being cheered by the faithful X fans.

We need a giant picture of that incident hanging in the ADs office, so when
Whit leaves one day the new AD is reminded of this event.

I don't care either way. I want the series to continue and I'd go back to campus for the games if XU would start to take security serious. I'm all for rowdy crowds, but XU let way too much go on and let it get out of hand so that the environment was not only hostile, but dangerous. They did nothing about the fans throwing paint and other projectiles, which are things that should have been dealt with harshly. When you have had multiple opposing teams and fans that have had major issues, you have a problem that needs to be addressed. Fix that and I'm fine with it returning to a home-and-home.

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It's funny... Xavier finally gets into the Little East--AFTER and ONLY because the small, Catholic schools split from the larger State schools--and they act like they have passed up UC. They NEVER would have been in the Big East...NEVER... if that didn't happen. They aren't there because of what they've accomplished, they are there because they are not a large State school that plays football.

I take my original answer back... To hell with this series whether it is played on-campus or downtown. Aside from the fact we share the same basic oxygen with the Muskies, we have nothing else in common with them. Let them hang out with the other little religious schools. Maybe they can use their Catholic connections to get Notre Dame to come into Cintas. Oh, wait, that's not happening either because Notre Dame bailed on the Little East too...

So ready to be done with XU.

I found their institution's lack of accountability even worse than the act itself. Bobinski and Mack never really apologized. Even days after the incident they were still trying to rationalize the player's/fan's behavior and make excuses for them. When the University tried to discipline the students, the students rejected the discipline and nothing came of it. Thankfully the national media did not buy it, even if the local media did.

In my opinion, Eggzavier is like a miniature version of Notre Dame for Cincinnati. I think because you are Catholic you are required or somehow obligated to cheer for Eggzavier. It's not because they have that many actual fans that care. And they are winning, so they have some band wagon fans too.

(11-20-2013 12:52 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  I found their institution's lack of accountability even worse than the act itself. Bobinski and Mack never really apologized. Even days after the incident they were still trying to rationalize the player's/fan's behavior and make excuses for them. When the University tried to discipline the students, the students rejected the discipline and nothing came of it. Thankfully the national media did not buy it, even if the local media did.

Actually quite a bit of the national media bought it. I remember Dick Vitale had a few harsh words for us on twitter and the Monday after on ESPN Radio. Dan Dakich and a few others guys also chimed in IIRC.

I've told the story before but I recall having luch in Columbus with a business associate a few days after the game and he (not knowing I was a UC grad) was talking about how it was all UC's fault and how the team was a bunch of thugs living in the ghetto, etc. Of course I educated him on things and he backed off a bit but he was not the only one who thought/still thinks this way.

(11-20-2013 01:22 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  In my opinion, Eggzavier is like a miniature version of Notre Dame for Cincinnati. I think because you are Catholic you are required or somehow obligated to cheer for Eggzavier. It's not because they have that many actual fans that care. And they are winning, so they have some band wagon fans too.

I bet the majority of area catholics, who don't have a degree from either school, align with UC.

(11-20-2013 02:16 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 01:22 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  In my opinion, Eggzavier is like a miniature version of Notre Dame for Cincinnati. I think because you are Catholic you are required or somehow obligated to cheer for Eggzavier. It's not because they have that many actual fans that care. And they are winning, so they have some band wagon fans too.

I bet the majority of area catholics, who don't have a degree from either school, align with UC.

Absolutely no question, this is the case.

(11-20-2013 02:18 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 02:16 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 01:22 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  In my opinion, Eggzavier is like a miniature version of Notre Dame for Cincinnati. I think because you are Catholic you are required or somehow obligated to cheer for Eggzavier. It's not because they have that many actual fans that care. And they are winning, so they have some band wagon fans too.

I bet the majority of area catholics, who don't have a degree from either school, align with UC.

Absolutely no question, this is the case.

If true, I stand corrected.

(11-20-2013 10:24 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  Common sense is the first casualty on Bearcat Banter.

This made me laugh, admittedly.

(11-20-2013 02:22 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 02:18 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 02:16 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 01:22 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  In my opinion, Eggzavier is like a miniature version of Notre Dame for Cincinnati. I think because you are Catholic you are required or somehow obligated to cheer for Eggzavier. It's not because they have that many actual fans that care. And they are winning, so they have some band wagon fans too.

I bet the majority of area catholics, who don't have a degree from either school, align with UC.

Absolutely no question, this is the case.

If true, I stand corrected.

No big deal. To survive X has to and is recruiting in the NE and Chicago
for students. For the GCL type students in Cincy, Indy, Dayton.....
X is a fallback option if you can't get into a Big Ten school, UC, or
Miami.

(11-20-2013 02:18 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 02:16 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 01:22 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  In my opinion, Eggzavier is like a miniature version of Notre Dame for Cincinnati. I think because you are Catholic you are required or somehow obligated to cheer for Eggzavier. It's not because they have that many actual fans that care. And they are winning, so they have some band wagon fans too.

I bet the majority of area catholics, who don't have a degree from either school, align with UC.

Absolutely no question, this is the case.

I'm about as hardcore Catholic as they come and I never had any desire to root for XU nor did anyone ever try to tell me I should root for XU because I was Catholic. Just as you could say about Notre Dame, Xavier, or heck most "catholic" universities, the majority don't do a good job of upholding the teachings of the Church, that's if they don't blatantly go against them. I don't like the guys who dress up like the pope at the XU games because they give Catholics a bad name because they make it seem like they're better than everyone else. Those guys need some humility and some time in the confessional with the way they act.

That said, go Bearcats and don't cave to playing at Cintas if they can't GUARANTEE the safety of players, coaches and fans!