(11-14-2013 09:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 12:24 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  An idea I'm having for the ACC is it might make the most sense to try and double down on Florida and become for Florida what the B12 is for Texas, the P5 conference for that particular state.

As long as the SEC has Florida, it will be "the P5 conference for that particular state".

Where is Florida in the standings right now compared with FSU, Miami and UCF?

Do you think the SEC owns Texas with Texas A&M? They own a significant piece of Texas but the 4 B12 schools have no problem competing for Texas Top 50 HS players.

Good Lord. Are there really people that believe USF/UCF offer the ACC ANYTHING that they don't already have??? There are 3 major universities that dominate Florida. The ACC already has 2 of them. The other schools in Florida don't even move the needle.

Hope that doesn't come across as harsh, but please take off the tin foil hats.

(11-14-2013 01:02 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 12:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 11:21 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I think the ACC will try to stay at 14/15 schools for now and will consider schools like UConn, Cincinnati, UCF and USF as back fillers, should other ACC schools leave for either the Big Ten or SEC (nobody is leaving for the Big 12 or the Pac-12).

... and with the GoR's in place, movement among the P5 isn't happening until at least the end of this decade, which means that we are all stuck in the AAC for probably the next 7-10 years, minimum.

As for USF vs UCF, put your money on USF. UCF had an 18-year head start on us in football, and yet we blew right past them in no time at all. Orlando is a Disneyworld town and always will be, and the competition from UF is way too great over there for UCF football to ever really take off. Yes, we have lots of UF and FSU fans in Tampa as well, but not the smothering amount they have up in Orlando.

UCF has a better team than us this year but that's an aberration. USF football will soon be on top of UCF once again, count on it. USF has proven we can draw 60,000 or so for games (if the team is good), UCF couldn't even sell out its erector set stadium for a humongous game vs Houston.

USF has the better present and future than UCF.

USF has also made it further up in the rankings than UCF as well.

I like both. Huge schools with a lot of alumni. They can both compete in the ACC and help enhance Florida recruiting of existing schools.

USF better present than UCF? Really?

2003-08 you are right. USF was avg bcs final rating of 50.7 to UCF at 84.8

however last 5 years to include this year- UCF 46 USF 70.8

last 3 years- USF 75/88/100- that's not good.

Oh, and UCF will have the 1 thing that USF never got. A BCS Bid.

so there is no flipping way that USF is better present than UCF. not at all.

The abberition was 2007 when USF finished 21st. In he last 11 years, no other year have they finished better than 40th. UCF has not only this year but 2 others where they were in the top 30.

(11-14-2013 12:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 11:21 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I think the ACC will try to stay at 14/15 schools for now and will consider schools like UConn, Cincinnati, UCF and USF as back fillers, should other ACC schools leave for either the Big Ten or SEC (nobody is leaving for the Big 12 or the Pac-12).

... and with the GoR's in place, movement among the P5 isn't happening until at least the end of this decade, which means that we are all stuck in the AAC for probably the next 7-10 years, minimum.

That's 1 advantage the MWC has over the AAC. I'd say only Boise St, UNLV, and SDSU have aspirations of a call up to a P5 conf. The rest are very content in the MWC. Granted their options are limited (B12 or bust) so they have prolly tabled their delusions of grandeur but, nevertheless, it is still the case.

I'd say just about every team in the AAC is looking at moving up. That's not a bad thing, but when you have a wandering eye, there's less "conference pride" and consequently less intensity in terms of intra-conference rivalry.

Rivalries showcase fan interest and spike TV ratings. If the AAC is destined to be the triple A league, then maximizing rivalries is important bc it facilitates larger regional TV contracts and advertising.

UCF and USF have most realistic P5 opportunity w B12. ACC is static for a while.

The state of Florida has plenty of surplus recruits.

California has 4 P5 programs. Texas has 5 of them. Florida has enough talent for 5 P5 schools.

I think FIU/FAU will end up like UTEP type programs and never really crack the code for the best talent. If you look at their performance over the last 10 years rarely have they been good.

(11-14-2013 01:07 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  Good Lord. Are there really people that believe USF/UCF offer the ACC ANYTHING that they don't already have??? There are 3 major universities that dominate Florida. The ACC already has 2 of them. The other schools in Florida don't even move the needle.

Hope that doesn't come across as harsh, but please take off the tin foil hats.

(11-14-2013 01:02 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 12:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 11:21 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I think the ACC will try to stay at 14/15 schools for now and will consider schools like UConn, Cincinnati, UCF and USF as back fillers, should other ACC schools leave for either the Big Ten or SEC (nobody is leaving for the Big 12 or the Pac-12).

... and with the GoR's in place, movement among the P5 isn't happening until at least the end of this decade, which means that we are all stuck in the AAC for probably the next 7-10 years, minimum.

As for USF vs UCF, put your money on USF. UCF had an 18-year head start on us in football, and yet we blew right past them in no time at all. Orlando is a Disneyworld town and always will be, and the competition from UF is way too great over there for UCF football to ever really take off. Yes, we have lots of UF and FSU fans in Tampa as well, but not the smothering amount they have up in Orlando.

UCF has a better team than us this year but that's an aberration. USF football will soon be on top of UCF once again, count on it. USF has proven we can draw 60,000 or so for games (if the team is good), UCF couldn't even sell out its erector set stadium for a humongous game vs Houston.

USF has the better present and future than UCF.

USF has also made it further up in the rankings than UCF as well.

I like both. Huge schools with a lot of alumni. They can both compete in the ACC and help enhance Florida recruiting of existing schools.

(11-14-2013 01:06 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 09:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 12:24 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  An idea I'm having for the ACC is it might make the most sense to try and double down on Florida and become for Florida what the B12 is for Texas, the P5 conference for that particular state.

As long as the SEC has Florida, it will be "the P5 conference for that particular state".

Where is Florida in the standings right now compared with FSU, Miami and UCF?

Do you think the SEC owns Texas with Texas A&M? They own a significant piece of Texas but the 4 B12 schools have no problem competing for Texas Top 50 HS players.

Well considering that in Texas' biggest city A&M vs Miss State doubled the viewership for UT vs WVU (and tied Bama vs LSU)...yeah a case can be made!

(11-14-2013 01:06 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 09:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 12:24 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  An idea I'm having for the ACC is it might make the most sense to try and double down on Florida and become for Florida what the B12 is for Texas, the P5 conference for that particular state.

As long as the SEC has Florida, it will be "the P5 conference for that particular state".

Where is Florida in the standings right now compared with FSU, Miami and UCF?

Do you think the SEC owns Texas with Texas A&M? They own a significant piece of Texas but the 4 B12 schools have no problem competing for Texas Top 50 HS players.

Standings for a single season mean nothing. Florida is the state flagship and has more fans and alumni than any other school in the state, and the general football watching public in Florida is FAR more interested in SEC football than in ACC football, it's not close. If Alabama plays Georgia, the interest in Florida is extremely high. If North Carolina plays Clemson, almost nobody in Florida cares. Its football culture is SEC.

Heck, even Miami and FSU fans in Florida care little about the ACC. They care about their schools, but not the rest of the football conference, and both would love to join the SEC.

The SEC obviously does NOT "own" Texas, as the Big 12 has Texas, the 900-pound gorilla of that state's football programs. Texas A/M is a strong program having some great seasons, and gives the SEC a nice foothold there, but they are still a distant second-fiddle to UT and the Big 12. Totally different situation.

UCF ratings depend on the opponent. The SC game outdrew every other game in Orlando that day, including Florida and FSU. Against lesser opponents, it is not as good.

(11-14-2013 12:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 11:21 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I think the ACC will try to stay at 14/15 schools for now and will consider schools like UConn, Cincinnati, UCF and USF as back fillers, should other ACC schools leave for either the Big Ten or SEC (nobody is leaving for the Big 12 or the Pac-12).

... and with the GoR's in place, movement among the P5 isn't happening until at least the end of this decade, which means that we are all stuck in the AAC for probably the next 7-10 years, minimum.

As for USF vs UCF, put your money on USF. UCF had an 18-year head start on us in football, and yet we blew right past them in no time at all. Orlando is a Disneyworld town and always will be, and the competition from UF is way too great over there for UCF football to ever really take off. Yes, we have lots of UF and FSU fans in Tampa as well, but not the smothering amount they have up in Orlando.

UCF has a better team than us this year but that's an aberration. USF football will soon be on top of UCF once again, count on it. USF has proven we can draw 60,000 or so for games (if the team is good), UCF couldn't even sell out its erector set stadium for a humongous game vs Houston.

USF has the better present and future than UCF.

Hahahahahah...no.

I'll admit that USF blew past UCF a few years ago, but UCF has definitely caught up and passed USF by since. USF hasn't drawn 60K in years and UCF almost nearly (within 350 seats) sold out vs Houston. When USF has had their large attendance, it's been against FSU or Miami - and Miami didn't draw anywhere near that for the game this season.

The two schools are close enough in academics, athletics, facilities, and markets that there really isn't a big difference between the two. To suggest that there is such a gap is really being blind. If anything UCF's larger enrollment means there will be more alumni from which to draw from as a fanbase. But even that isn't a gigantic advantage.

This is one of the more foolish ideas I have seen. UCF is considered a community college by most ACC members. USF is perceived as not much better. Since there is nothing gained by adding such schools, such school will not be added.

The next school added, if there is a next school, has to be a football school, has to be a football oriented addition adding some combination of:

1. Football prowess
2. New media markets
3. Incentive for ND to up their current ACC slate from 5 to 8
4. Academically above Louisville, meaning no worse than top 150 or at least a service academy

6. Any expansion inside the current ACC footprint has to be a home run - Penn State, Florida, Georgia.
7. Texas or Michigan State would likely draw ND into the conference for 8 games - however - do you see them knocking down the door?

Now let's look at less prominent options:

1. Navy - Seems okay, but only if they cause ND to play more ACC games
2. Cincy - Louisiville and ND encroach on their market - they are of no interest to ND
3. Tulane - Bad sports school, trips to New Orleans are the only upside
4. UConn - ND has no special love for them, and their markets are encroached upon by BC, Syracuse, etc.
5. Iowa State - More possible than you think
6. Kansas - Probably acceptable to all
7. West Va. - Tough sell

The bottom line is that there is no one out there the ACC really wants other than Penn State. The desire for Texas is tempered by the trouble that Texas can cause. Anyway, the ACC has no financial reason to expand at the look-in time unless the new team adds territory and it's a team folks want to watch and FSU, Clemson, and ND want to play in football.

(11-14-2013 03:38 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  This is one of the more foolish ideas I have seen. UCF is considered a community college by most ACC members. USF is perceived as not much better. Since there is nothing gained by adding such schools, such school will not be added.

The next school added, if there is a next school, has to be a football school, has to be a football oriented addition adding some combination of:

1. Football prowess
2. New media markets
3. Incentive for ND to up their current ACC slate from 5 to 8
4. Academically above Louisville, meaning no worse than top 150 or at least a service academy

6. Any expansion inside the current ACC footprint has to be a home run - Penn State, Florida, Georgia.
7. Texas or Michigan State would likely draw ND into the conference for 8 games - however - do you see them knocking down the door?

Was there supposed to be a "5."?

(11-14-2013 03:38 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  This is one of the more foolish ideas I have seen. UCF is considered a community college by most ACC members. USF is perceived as not much better. Since there is nothing gained by adding such schools, such school will not be added.

The next school added, if there is a next school, has to be a football school, has to be a football oriented addition adding some combination of:

1. Football prowess
2. New media markets
3. Incentive for ND to up their current ACC slate from 5 to 8
4. Academically above Louisville, meaning no worse than top 150 or at least a service academy

6. Any expansion inside the current ACC footprint has to be a home run - Penn State, Florida, Georgia.
7. Texas or Michigan State would likely draw ND into the conference for 8 games - however - do you see them knocking down the door?

Now let's look at less prominent options:

1. Navy - Seems okay, but only if they cause ND to play more ACC games
2. Cincy - Louisiville and ND encroach on their market - they are of no interest to ND
3. Tulane - Bad sports school, trips to New Orleans are the only upside
4. UConn - ND has no special love for them, and their markets are encroached upon by BC, Syracuse, etc.
5. Iowa State - More possible than you think
6. Kansas - Probably acceptable to all
7. West Va. - Tough sell

The bottom line is that there is no one out there the ACC really wants other than Penn State. The desire for Texas is tempered by the trouble that Texas can cause. Anyway, the ACC has no financial reason to expand at the look-in time unless the new team adds territory and it's a team folks want to watch and FSU, Clemson, and ND want to play in football.

I'm sorry, but this needs to be resolved. BC / Syracuse do not, in any way, encroach on UConn's market. Hartford/New Haven is the #30 market on its own and there is not a whiff of either university here. And second, 1/3 of Connecticut is considered part of the NYC DMA and there are no Syracuse fans down there. They have them in the city, but that does not translate to Fairfield County. I think people need to understand how far Cuse is from NYC...it is further than Baltimore is to NYC. There is no encroachment, and neither university will get you on television in CT. I can't even remember the last time I heard someone mention BC until we hired their Assistant Coach to lead us into Hockey East.

(11-14-2013 03:50 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 03:38 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  This is one of the more foolish ideas I have seen. UCF is considered a community college by most ACC members. USF is perceived as not much better. Since there is nothing gained by adding such schools, such school will not be added.

The next school added, if there is a next school, has to be a football school, has to be a football oriented addition adding some combination of:

1. Football prowess
2. New media markets
3. Incentive for ND to up their current ACC slate from 5 to 8
4. Academically above Louisville, meaning no worse than top 150 or at least a service academy

6. Any expansion inside the current ACC footprint has to be a home run - Penn State, Florida, Georgia.
7. Texas or Michigan State would likely draw ND into the conference for 8 games - however - do you see them knocking down the door?

Now let's look at less prominent options:

1. Navy - Seems okay, but only if they cause ND to play more ACC games
2. Cincy - Louisiville and ND encroach on their market - they are of no interest to ND
3. Tulane - Bad sports school, trips to New Orleans are the only upside
4. UConn - ND has no special love for them, and their markets are encroached upon by BC, Syracuse, etc.
5. Iowa State - More possible than you think
6. Kansas - Probably acceptable to all
7. West Va. - Tough sell

The bottom line is that there is no one out there the ACC really wants other than Penn State. The desire for Texas is tempered by the trouble that Texas can cause. Anyway, the ACC has no financial reason to expand at the look-in time unless the new team adds territory and it's a team folks want to watch and FSU, Clemson, and ND want to play in football.

I'm sorry, but this needs to be resolved. BC / Syracuse do not, in any way, encroach on UConn's market. Hartford/New Haven is the #30 market on its own and there is not a whiff of either university here. And second, 1/3 of Connecticut is considered part of the NYC DMA and there are no Syracuse fans down there. They have them in the city, but that does not translate to Fairfield County. I think people need to understand how far Cuse is from NYC...it is further than Baltimore is to NYC. There is no encroachment, and neither university will get you on television in CT. I can't even remember the last time I heard someone mention BC until we hired their Assistant Coach to lead us into Hockey East.

That's all well and good but UConn brings absolutely nothing to the table in football so they would be dismissed outright unless the football first schools are gone for whatever reason. UConn has zero football pedigree, brings zero recruiting grounds, is a long way from being a big name draw on the road, and has an extremely low ceiling in regards to national prominence.

to me, UConn's chance was when they made the BCS. Instead what happened, they lost their coach immediately. Left the cupboard bare. Couldn't parlay the appearance into smoething more long term.

Their only chance is if the Big Ten needs to expand to 16 with markets and they get a golden ticket a la Rutgers. But that probably doesn't happen.

(11-14-2013 04:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  to me, UConn's chance was when they made the BCS. Instead what happened, they lost their coach immediately. Left the cupboard bare. Couldn't parlay the appearance into smoething more long term.

Their only chance is if the Big Ten needs to expand to 16 with markets and they get a golden ticket a la Rutgers. But that probably doesn't happen.

Yes, as evidenced by his success in College Park, Randy Edsall is the greatest coach ever and UConn will never return to it's past of 7-9 win seasons and bowl appearances without him.

(11-14-2013 04:13 PM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 04:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  to me, UConn's chance was when they made the BCS. Instead what happened, they lost their coach immediately. Left the cupboard bare. Couldn't parlay the appearance into smoething more long term.

Their only chance is if the Big Ten needs to expand to 16 with markets and they get a golden ticket a la Rutgers. But that probably doesn't happen.

Yes, as evidenced by his success in College Park, Randy Edsall is the greatest coach ever and UConn will never return to it's past of 7-9 win seasons and bowl appearances without him.

He led them to a BCS spot. Needed to continue to build off of that and get better- not hiring a washed up never has been who ran the program into the ground.

And maybe he is the greatest coach ever given he got UConn into a BCS bowl!

(11-14-2013 04:02 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 03:50 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 03:38 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  This is one of the more foolish ideas I have seen. UCF is considered a community college by most ACC members. USF is perceived as not much better. Since there is nothing gained by adding such schools, such school will not be added.

The next school added, if there is a next school, has to be a football school, has to be a football oriented addition adding some combination of:

1. Football prowess
2. New media markets
3. Incentive for ND to up their current ACC slate from 5 to 8
4. Academically above Louisville, meaning no worse than top 150 or at least a service academy

6. Any expansion inside the current ACC footprint has to be a home run - Penn State, Florida, Georgia.
7. Texas or Michigan State would likely draw ND into the conference for 8 games - however - do you see them knocking down the door?

Now let's look at less prominent options:

1. Navy - Seems okay, but only if they cause ND to play more ACC games
2. Cincy - Louisiville and ND encroach on their market - they are of no interest to ND
3. Tulane - Bad sports school, trips to New Orleans are the only upside
4. UConn - ND has no special love for them, and their markets are encroached upon by BC, Syracuse, etc.
5. Iowa State - More possible than you think
6. Kansas - Probably acceptable to all
7. West Va. - Tough sell

The bottom line is that there is no one out there the ACC really wants other than Penn State. The desire for Texas is tempered by the trouble that Texas can cause. Anyway, the ACC has no financial reason to expand at the look-in time unless the new team adds territory and it's a team folks want to watch and FSU, Clemson, and ND want to play in football.

I'm sorry, but this needs to be resolved. BC / Syracuse do not, in any way, encroach on UConn's market. Hartford/New Haven is the #30 market on its own and there is not a whiff of either university here. And second, 1/3 of Connecticut is considered part of the NYC DMA and there are no Syracuse fans down there. They have them in the city, but that does not translate to Fairfield County. I think people need to understand how far Cuse is from NYC...it is further than Baltimore is to NYC. There is no encroachment, and neither university will get you on television in CT. I can't even remember the last time I heard someone mention BC until we hired their Assistant Coach to lead us into Hockey East.

That's all well and good but UConn brings absolutely nothing to the table in football so they would be dismissed outright unless the football first schools are gone for whatever reason. UConn has zero football pedigree, brings zero recruiting grounds, is a long way from being a big name draw on the road, and has an extremely low ceiling in regards to national prominence.

You had me until the "low ceiling comment". I don't understand how a university that excels at everything it focuses on (m/w bball, soccer, academics, soon to be hockey) has a low ceiling. I am expecting a pretty big splash hire with our next coach - the A.D. is on record that we won't shy away from spending big bucks, and our largest donors are fully on board.

(11-14-2013 04:16 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 04:13 PM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 04:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  to me, UConn's chance was when they made the BCS. Instead what happened, they lost their coach immediately. Left the cupboard bare. Couldn't parlay the appearance into smoething more long term.

Their only chance is if the Big Ten needs to expand to 16 with markets and they get a golden ticket a la Rutgers. But that probably doesn't happen.

Yes, as evidenced by his success in College Park, Randy Edsall is the greatest coach ever and UConn will never return to it's past of 7-9 win seasons and bowl appearances without him.

He led them to a BCS spot. Needed to continue to build off of that and get better- not hiring a washed up never has been who ran the program into the ground.

And maybe he is the greatest coach ever given he got UConn into a BCS bowl!

I think every UConn fan would have loved to not hired PP. I think the hire was lazy and uninspired. The good news is in addition to PP the President and AD involved in that hiring are all gone as well.

The school is comitted to athletics and especially football despite its perception being at an all time low. The hiring of the new coaching staff in December after this embarassment of a season is over will start to rebuild the image of the football team.

I don't think anyone expects UConn to be Ohio State, but with its budget and facilities it could compete in most P5 leagues....assuming we never make a hire as bad as Pasqualoni (I'm looking at you Schiano).

(11-14-2013 04:20 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 04:02 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 03:50 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 03:38 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  This is one of the more foolish ideas I have seen. UCF is considered a community college by most ACC members. USF is perceived as not much better. Since there is nothing gained by adding such schools, such school will not be added.

The next school added, if there is a next school, has to be a football school, has to be a football oriented addition adding some combination of:

1. Football prowess
2. New media markets
3. Incentive for ND to up their current ACC slate from 5 to 8
4. Academically above Louisville, meaning no worse than top 150 or at least a service academy

6. Any expansion inside the current ACC footprint has to be a home run - Penn State, Florida, Georgia.
7. Texas or Michigan State would likely draw ND into the conference for 8 games - however - do you see them knocking down the door?

Now let's look at less prominent options:

1. Navy - Seems okay, but only if they cause ND to play more ACC games
2. Cincy - Louisiville and ND encroach on their market - they are of no interest to ND
3. Tulane - Bad sports school, trips to New Orleans are the only upside
4. UConn - ND has no special love for them, and their markets are encroached upon by BC, Syracuse, etc.
5. Iowa State - More possible than you think
6. Kansas - Probably acceptable to all
7. West Va. - Tough sell

The bottom line is that there is no one out there the ACC really wants other than Penn State. The desire for Texas is tempered by the trouble that Texas can cause. Anyway, the ACC has no financial reason to expand at the look-in time unless the new team adds territory and it's a team folks want to watch and FSU, Clemson, and ND want to play in football.

I'm sorry, but this needs to be resolved. BC / Syracuse do not, in any way, encroach on UConn's market. Hartford/New Haven is the #30 market on its own and there is not a whiff of either university here. And second, 1/3 of Connecticut is considered part of the NYC DMA and there are no Syracuse fans down there. They have them in the city, but that does not translate to Fairfield County. I think people need to understand how far Cuse is from NYC...it is further than Baltimore is to NYC. There is no encroachment, and neither university will get you on television in CT. I can't even remember the last time I heard someone mention BC until we hired their Assistant Coach to lead us into Hockey East.

That's all well and good but UConn brings absolutely nothing to the table in football so they would be dismissed outright unless the football first schools are gone for whatever reason. UConn has zero football pedigree, brings zero recruiting grounds, is a long way from being a big name draw on the road, and has an extremely low ceiling in regards to national prominence.

You had me until the "low ceiling comment". I don't understand how a university that excels at everything it focuses on (m/w bball, soccer, academics, soon to be hockey) has a low ceiling. I am expecting a pretty big splash hire with our next coach - the A.D. is on record that we won't shy away from spending big bucks, and our largest donors are fully on board.

Well I assume ND wouldn't be in UConn's corner if push came to shove and we needed to join in full(Our schools aren't exactly chummy). I think we would want Cincy to have another school in the area .

UConn is a good school and wish you well in the future I just assume everything stands pat for another 10 years.

(11-14-2013 04:26 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 04:20 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 04:02 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 03:50 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 03:38 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  This is one of the more foolish ideas I have seen. UCF is considered a community college by most ACC members. USF is perceived as not much better. Since there is nothing gained by adding such schools, such school will not be added.

The next school added, if there is a next school, has to be a football school, has to be a football oriented addition adding some combination of:

1. Football prowess
2. New media markets
3. Incentive for ND to up their current ACC slate from 5 to 8
4. Academically above Louisville, meaning no worse than top 150 or at least a service academy

6. Any expansion inside the current ACC footprint has to be a home run - Penn State, Florida, Georgia.
7. Texas or Michigan State would likely draw ND into the conference for 8 games - however - do you see them knocking down the door?

Now let's look at less prominent options:

1. Navy - Seems okay, but only if they cause ND to play more ACC games
2. Cincy - Louisiville and ND encroach on their market - they are of no interest to ND
3. Tulane - Bad sports school, trips to New Orleans are the only upside
4. UConn - ND has no special love for them, and their markets are encroached upon by BC, Syracuse, etc.
5. Iowa State - More possible than you think
6. Kansas - Probably acceptable to all
7. West Va. - Tough sell

The bottom line is that there is no one out there the ACC really wants other than Penn State. The desire for Texas is tempered by the trouble that Texas can cause. Anyway, the ACC has no financial reason to expand at the look-in time unless the new team adds territory and it's a team folks want to watch and FSU, Clemson, and ND want to play in football.

I'm sorry, but this needs to be resolved. BC / Syracuse do not, in any way, encroach on UConn's market. Hartford/New Haven is the #30 market on its own and there is not a whiff of either university here. And second, 1/3 of Connecticut is considered part of the NYC DMA and there are no Syracuse fans down there. They have them in the city, but that does not translate to Fairfield County. I think people need to understand how far Cuse is from NYC...it is further than Baltimore is to NYC. There is no encroachment, and neither university will get you on television in CT. I can't even remember the last time I heard someone mention BC until we hired their Assistant Coach to lead us into Hockey East.

That's all well and good but UConn brings absolutely nothing to the table in football so they would be dismissed outright unless the football first schools are gone for whatever reason. UConn has zero football pedigree, brings zero recruiting grounds, is a long way from being a big name draw on the road, and has an extremely low ceiling in regards to national prominence.

You had me until the "low ceiling comment". I don't understand how a university that excels at everything it focuses on (m/w bball, soccer, academics, soon to be hockey) has a low ceiling. I am expecting a pretty big splash hire with our next coach - the A.D. is on record that we won't shy away from spending big bucks, and our largest donors are fully on board.

Well I assume ND wouldn't be in UConn's corner if push came to shove and we needed to join in full(Our schools aren't exactly chummy). I think we would want Cincy to have another school in the area .

UConn is a good school and wish you well in the future I just assume everything stands pat for another 10 years.

C'Mon! Don't you want to continue that WBB rivalry!