(11-09-2013 07:51 PM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 07:47 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 07:43 PM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 07:37 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 07:28 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  What's a fact?

Couple of years ago JMU had the a top recruiting class in the country .

You're all over the place. I thought you were saying we shouldn't blame Mickey for loses b/c it's hard to recruit in Harrisonburg? now you're saying that we had the #1 recruiting class in the nation a couple years ago. Then why are we not winning against teams with winning records and making the playoffs regularly?

Not all over the place because I never said that , that was y'all interpretation. I was just speaking on people who think its easy to recruit to JMU because of facilities and resources .

No one said it's easy to recruit,, but that's what he's paid well to do, and he has significant advantages over schools like UNH, Main, etc. That's a fact! It's not like he's doing this out of the goodness of his heart. His job is to compete for the CAA title and take this team to the playoffs regularly, which he's not doing. 2004 was 10 years ago... time to stop playing that card.

Lol you need to chill. A national championship in a playoff system is a card to be played when your a player. I don't see you point , seems like you just attempting to debate me on an issue. In FCS if you have a good system you can win a lot of games? UNH and Maine have good systems with mediocre players.

I think our recruiting class from 2 yrs ago was rated so high because we got Till and Wilson from Maryland. Till has started so I can't complain, but Wilson has pretty much been a non factor even when he has played. And neither has had the impact their high school credentials would have indicated. I think comparing pure FCS level freshman recruits to other schools , we have not been as good as we think.

(11-09-2013 07:53 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 07:48 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 07:44 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  I wasn't attempting to make an excuse for MM. I was just stating recruiting players to JMU is not as easy as most make it out to be.

As I said above, I know it's complete BS to rate recruiting rankings, but we were #1 two years ago. Can't be that hard. Now, those guys have had their redshirt year and they haven't developed or were overrated or whatever. Point is, it is NOT hard to recruit at JMU. It might be the easiest place to recruit in all of FCS.

I don't agree, if you only knew of the players we missed out on. Most players come to JMU because of the staff or they have other offers that are terrible.

I know of the players we've missed out on. I'm not an idiot. You can listen to MM say it himself if you don't want to believe me. He says that every guy on Delaware's roster we have competed against them for. You haven't answered the question. If 3rd party, independent resources claim we had the #1 class in the nation, how can we not get into a 24 team playoff field?

And I understand the coaching game as well as anybody. Win games , make playoffs , your a mainstay. Anything opposite of that , you job is on the line. I am a proud alum who expects us to win ever game we play, but I am also realistic. Too many coaches have come and go at JMU for me not to know how it works lol .

(11-09-2013 08:01 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 07:51 PM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 07:47 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 07:43 PM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 07:37 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  Couple of years ago JMU had the a top recruiting class in the country .

You're all over the place. I thought you were saying we shouldn't blame Mickey for loses b/c it's hard to recruit in Harrisonburg? now you're saying that we had the #1 recruiting class in the nation a couple years ago. Then why are we not winning against teams with winning records and making the playoffs regularly?

Not all over the place because I never said that , that was y'all interpretation. I was just speaking on people who think its easy to recruit to JMU because of facilities and resources .

No one said it's easy to recruit,, but that's what he's paid well to do, and he has significant advantages over schools like UNH, Main, etc. That's a fact! It's not like he's doing this out of the goodness of his heart. His job is to compete for the CAA title and take this team to the playoffs regularly, which he's not doing. 2004 was 10 years ago... time to stop playing that card.

Lol you need to chill. A national championship in a playoff system is a card to be played when your a player. I don't see you point , seems like you just attempting to debate me on an issue. In FCS if you have a good system you can win a lot of games? UNH and Maine have good systems with mediocre players.

I'm completely chill. Just tired of watching the underachieving program and mediocre product that MM puts out there week in week out and more tired of the MM apologists. That's all.

(11-09-2013 08:10 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 07:53 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 07:48 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 07:44 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  I wasn't attempting to make an excuse for MM. I was just stating recruiting players to JMU is not as easy as most make it out to be.

As I said above, I know it's complete BS to rate recruiting rankings, but we were #1 two years ago. Can't be that hard. Now, those guys have had their redshirt year and they haven't developed or were overrated or whatever. Point is, it is NOT hard to recruit at JMU. It might be the easiest place to recruit in all of FCS.

I don't agree, if you only knew of the players we missed out on. Most players come to JMU because of the staff or they have other offers that are terrible.

I know of the players we've missed out on. I'm not an idiot. You can listen to MM say it himself if you don't want to believe me. He says that every guy on Delaware's roster we have competed against them for. You haven't answered the question. If 3rd party, independent resources claim we had the #1 class in the nation, how can we not get into a 24 team playoff field?

That was not my intention so why should I answer that question. I just read comments about facilities and resources and that should equate to us doing better. I was just stating that doesn't get good quality players to JMU. We have been fortunate to have a great staff that recruited very well. But if I was to answer your question I would say it's the change in offensive staff. It's not easy learning a new system from a new coach in 11 months. And I don't think Birdsong is very good , I think he would make a great tight end.

(11-09-2013 08:13 PM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 08:01 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 07:51 PM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 07:47 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 07:43 PM)atljmualum Wrote:  You're all over the place. I thought you were saying we shouldn't blame Mickey for loses b/c it's hard to recruit in Harrisonburg? now you're saying that we had the #1 recruiting class in the nation a couple years ago. Then why are we not winning against teams with winning records and making the playoffs regularly?

Not all over the place because I never said that , that was y'all interpretation. I was just speaking on people who think its easy to recruit to JMU because of facilities and resources .

No one said it's easy to recruit,, but that's what he's paid well to do, and he has significant advantages over schools like UNH, Main, etc. That's a fact! It's not like he's doing this out of the goodness of his heart. His job is to compete for the CAA title and take this team to the playoffs regularly, which he's not doing. 2004 was 10 years ago... time to stop playing that card.

Lol you need to chill. A national championship in a playoff system is a card to be played when your a player. I don't see you point , seems like you just attempting to debate me on an issue. In FCS if you have a good system you can win a lot of games? UNH and Maine have good systems with mediocre players.

I'm completely chill. Just tired of watching the underachieving program and mediocre product that MM puts out there week in week out and more tired of the MM apologists. That's all.

Yea I didn't apologize for him. One of his favorite quotes is " self pity will get you no where " lol

(11-09-2013 06:26 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 04:04 PM)TheDudeWithTheJMUTat Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 03:59 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 03:55 PM)TheDudeWithTheJMUTat Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 03:53 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  When you run out of points, then attack the person for using foul language. You're smarter than that I hope.

Your post history speaks for itself. My point was nothing more than saying that you are an internet hardo.

Whatever man. Just get sick of seeing a bunch of idiots that know nothing about college football act like JMU's **** don't stink and we should never lose. Sorry to defend my school. Keep up the high school level bitching.

"Keep up the high school level of bitching." Do you even read the things that you write on here? You're an absolute joke. This isn't groupthink...everyone legitimately thinks that you are insufferable.

Geez, I've never seen a group of people more angry at what they supposedly support. I mean it's not just Matthews, who no one really gives a damn about anyway. This board wants to fire someone every single game JMU loses. Last year until late in the year people were ready to hang Matt Brady. Then in March they couldn't stop kissing his ass. Last night it didn't take long before someone was bitching because we were losing on the road to a top 25 ACC team without our best player in the lineup. Mind-boggling to me. We might be terrible this year or we might struggle early and once the young guys get experience and Nation comes back be a good team. Who knows.

Every football loss is the worst thing in the world to some here like they expect us to go 12-0. Like I said earlier, I hate losing just like you guys do but kids make mistakes, coaches make mistakes and people in general make mistakes. In the end this staff will be judged by the total picture but at least try to enjoy the games. Every damn play that doesn't gain at least 5 yards is a horrible play call. Every time an opponent gets positive yardage on us it's because Mickey can't prepare or some player sucks, for example.

Fine. I'm insufferable. Put me on ignore if you want. Won't hurt my feelings. I can start posting like JMU2004 and come up with cute one-liners like "you must have matthews in your name", complain about the refs non-stop, and complain about play calling every play. Guess I'll fit in better then.

One thing I think we can all agree on though. This school and program is not going to survive whatsoever in FBS without all of our support. The next 6-8 months are going to be huge for JMU's future. Not showing up to games (like next week for the home finale where we still can win and beat Towson and possibly earn a playoff bid) is terrible fan support. Regardless of how big our budget or how high fan expectation is (Mickey is a victim of his own success here) if we don't support a team in spite of our feelings about the staff in mid-November when they still have a shot at the playoffs is awful and fair weather, which is the term that seemed to set a few of you off. Peace.

You attack me for pointing out the obvious in regards to coaching. I'm not the only one.

You have a bone to pick with me, and that is fine. I couldn't care less...my Matthews line struck a nerve. What is your relation to the program, if you don't mind me asking?

I give in the top 5% of JMU donors. You have no right to doubt my dedication, or call me offensive names. You acted like an *******.....

(11-09-2013 08:48 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 06:26 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 04:04 PM)TheDudeWithTheJMUTat Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 03:59 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 03:55 PM)TheDudeWithTheJMUTat Wrote:  Your post history speaks for itself. My point was nothing more than saying that you are an internet hardo.

Whatever man. Just get sick of seeing a bunch of idiots that know nothing about college football act like JMU's **** don't stink and we should never lose. Sorry to defend my school. Keep up the high school level bitching.

"Keep up the high school level of bitching." Do you even read the things that you write on here? You're an absolute joke. This isn't groupthink...everyone legitimately thinks that you are insufferable.

Geez, I've never seen a group of people more angry at what they supposedly support. I mean it's not just Matthews, who no one really gives a damn about anyway. This board wants to fire someone every single game JMU loses. Last year until late in the year people were ready to hang Matt Brady. Then in March they couldn't stop kissing his ass. Last night it didn't take long before someone was bitching because we were losing on the road to a top 25 ACC team without our best player in the lineup. Mind-boggling to me. We might be terrible this year or we might struggle early and once the young guys get experience and Nation comes back be a good team. Who knows.

Every football loss is the worst thing in the world to some here like they expect us to go 12-0. Like I said earlier, I hate losing just like you guys do but kids make mistakes, coaches make mistakes and people in general make mistakes. In the end this staff will be judged by the total picture but at least try to enjoy the games. Every damn play that doesn't gain at least 5 yards is a horrible play call. Every time an opponent gets positive yardage on us it's because Mickey can't prepare or some player sucks, for example.

Fine. I'm insufferable. Put me on ignore if you want. Won't hurt my feelings. I can start posting like JMU2004 and come up with cute one-liners like "you must have matthews in your name", complain about the refs non-stop, and complain about play calling every play. Guess I'll fit in better then.

One thing I think we can all agree on though. This school and program is not going to survive whatsoever in FBS without all of our support. The next 6-8 months are going to be huge for JMU's future. Not showing up to games (like next week for the home finale where we still can win and beat Towson and possibly earn a playoff bid) is terrible fan support. Regardless of how big our budget or how high fan expectation is (Mickey is a victim of his own success here) if we don't support a team in spite of our feelings about the staff in mid-November when they still have a shot at the playoffs is awful and fair weather, which is the term that seemed to set a few of you off. Peace.

You attack me for pointing out the obvious in regards to coaching. I'm not the only one.

You have a bone to pick with me, and that is fine. I couldn't care less...my Matthews line struck a nerve. What is your relation to the program, if you don't mind me asking?

I give in the top 5% of JMU donors. You have no right to doubt my dedication, or call me offensive names. You acted like an *******.....

LOL. If you give in the top 5% of JMU donors then make your phone call, use your cash, and have the man fired. Now you want to compare fan resumes? If 2004 is graduating year then I've been around JMU football since you started to learn how to wipe your own ass. I've seen good football and bad football at this place over the years.

Matthews is a victim of his own success here. He raised the bar himself and we are going through an average streak. He's probably overstayed his welcome if you will. But that doesn't mean every single discussion of JMU football has to turn into a giant bitchfest about the man, the administration, etc... He's not getting fired mid-season so let the damn thing play out and then he will either be fired or he will be back. Again, if you want him fired get your checkbook out Mr Top 5%! Won't get any complaints from me despite your insistence that I'm some Matthews polyanna.

I have as much of a bone to pick with you as you do with me. You attack me for anything positive as often I attack you for anything negative. But seriously, you crap in every game thread with non-stop complaining about Matthews, play calling, and officiating every single game. And your level of play calling extends about as far as if it works it's good and if it doesn't it was a bad call. None of us could know otherwise on a play to play basis sitting in our living rooms.

Really guys this is the Internet.

Hey......the team with the crappy stadium won!

(11-09-2013 07:46 PM)Dukeman Wrote:  JMU in the CAA conference:

2013 - 8th
2012 - 6th
2011 - 6th
2010 - 8th
2009 - 7th

Dukeman you should make a whole thread about this

Since there's a lot of posts about recruiting in this thread, here's a recruiting story about JMU and one of my players from this year:

Some of you may remember that I have a pretty good OL prospect on my team. Well, can't remember which but either Edmonds or Newsome was on the phone with this kid every night trying to get him down to the Burg for some sort of workout day, promising they would offer him a full ride on the spot, etc. So, the kid has his bags packed "(literally) to go down there one Saturday, then MM calls either Edmonds or Newsome and tells him based on the film, the kid can't play for JMU, and not to even bother coming down. So, this kid gets a call at 9pm on Friday night, about 8 hours before he 's supposed to drive to Virginia, telling him JMU is no longer interested.

So I figured, ok maybe he's not at JMU 's level. The kid's a great kid, understands that in the recruiting game there's lots of smoke blown around. His parents were pretty pissed though.

Anyway, the kid goes to Delaware for a visit a week or two later. They offer him a full scholarship right after his workout. He agrees. Done and done. Guess who calls a couple of days later asking why him why he rushed to sign with UD when JMU wanted to offer him? So anyway, there's another player we lost out on, but from our own miscommunication or whatever.

Also, random note: Dalton Crossen, one of the WR on New Hampshire, went to Sachem North high school about 15 minutes from me. He has a younger brother that's even better. I don't think there's been much 1A interest, maybe somebody should give that kid a call.

(11-09-2013 11:30 PM)mainejeff Wrote:  Hey......the team with the crappy stadium won!

Yep, and I hope your team with the sightly less crappy stadium breaks UNH's home winning streak.

Haven't read the 66 pages of posts, but this game was lost by poor execution by JMU. That was on the players today. I love this team, always will, but this L was on those playing the game, not those coaching today. As a random example, Birdsong had a wide open Scott on the wheel route late in the 4th quarter that was instead thrown to the under receiver that was covered. Poor read, great call. Could have been a TD, but instead was an INT. Plays like that all day. We just did not play the clean game we had played the prior week. We are what we are, an above average team with borderline playoff potential.

So was I listening to the game off and on on the radio in between soccer games. The Schikman call on the missed field goal was an absolute classic.