VA infamously always votes the opposing party in power for Governor... even with Clinton in power. How in God's name did McAuliffe win with an Obama 39% approval? How were the other 2 statewide races so irregular?


2013
Obama approval rating - 39%
McAuliffe vote - 47
Cuccinelli - 45

2009
Obama - 47
McDonnell - 58.6
Deeds - 41

2005
Bush - 46
Kaine -52
Kilgore - 46


2001
Bush - 55
Warner -52
Early - 47


1998
Clinton - 65
Gilmore 56
Beyer 43


I have a screen shot of McAuliffe 10 points behind with 40% reported. At 75% reported, Cuccinelli was up by 4 points. Fairfax was the only non-red county not reported and an roughly equivalent amount of red counties were also out (most of which are typically reported FIRST).

Somebody do the math to see if it works out. It doesn't for me.

Just to be clear here, I'm indicating election fraud by the billionaires and crooked politicians running this Country and Commonwealth.

A post-mortem from a Cucinelli supporter: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/363...ralph-reed

Also, Christopher LaCivita, who served as Cucinelli's chief political strategist (and thus, his own reputation is affected according to which spin becomes the conventional-wisdom), has said in a few interviews that the shutdown probably had a decisive, or nearly-decisive, impact on Cucinelli's campaign.

Cooch lost because he is an extremist right wing nut, who wanted make blow jobs illegal. Easy enough to understand if you have a brain.

We understand, brokebackjon.

(11-08-2013 10:43 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  A post-mortem from a Cucinelli supporter: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/363...ralph-reed

Also, Christopher LaCivita, who served as Cucinelli's chief political strategist (and thus, his own reputation is affected according to which spin becomes the conventional-wisdom), has said in a few interviews that the shutdown probably had a decisive, or nearly-decisive, impact on Cucinelli's campaign.

I knew somebody would say this, but I would like ot note that each federal employee had recieved a check just as if they had worked prior to the election...

Basically, they got a FREE vacation care of the tax payers so that excuse is unbelievable.

Apparently I'm on to something:

http://nationalreport.net/evidence-voter...nors-race/

Quote:Immediately following the announcement, Cuccinelli’s office opened a full investigation into the legitimacy of the vote and quickly turned up surprising results. In 13 districts, multiple instances of intimidation at the polls were reported. Large black men wearing traditional Black Panther garb were reported lingering around polling places approaching older voters asking questions about who they intended on voting for. In Loudoun and Fairfax counties (traditional Democratic strongholds), election officials withheld submitting voter data in order to get an idea of whether to count absentee ballots or not. In an audit of the voter registration information, it quickly became apparent that MULTIPLE votes were cast by people who were either deceased or had long ago moved out of the district.



According to exit polling Cuccinelli won the race by big margins reaching a high percent of the key voting blocks of women, Latinos and Blacks.

1 - The republican brand sucks
2 - The GOP controls every localities election board because of some arcane Va law - so even with their fraud and voter suppression, there was a resounding rejection of the GOP brand.
3 - Virginians are becoming more educated which is what is driving this.
4 - Ron Paul selling his soul for his son is only why it was this close (And I do not think much less of Ron for this since it was for his son)


if you care u can read below for some VA political history

Va became a 2 party state after the northern dems and southern republicans passed the civil rights and voting rights acts. The Byrd machine collapsed in 1969 when Henry Howell won the Dem primary for governor. Pollard (the Byrd candidate ran as an IND). Holton the Republican won; the first Republican actually ever elected to GOV of Va (They were appointed during reconstruction, opr used current GOP election fraud if by popular vote).

Ever since (with the possible exception of 1973) VA has elected a Governor opposite of the Party of the president. I say possible exception of 73 because Mills Godwin was the Dem Gov from 1965-1969 & switched parties to run in 73 since the dem brand was weak in VA after McGovern ran in 72 saying he would beg for peace in Vietnam. (That was before we watched americans flee on helicopters from Nixons peace with honor execution). My mom was part of the Newport News Democrats who voted 10-2 not to endorse McGovern in 72, and supported Godwin in 73.

The above ramblings are just to say the tradition goes back to 1973. And the fact that it broke this year says a lot for the current GOP. Back then the could still say the "N" word to motivate more votes. Sen Spong lost the 1972 Senate race to Scott and Scott's only campaign add was that Spong was the Only Southern Senator to vote for the voting rights act.

Can go on and blah blah blah about the Valley and Western VA being GOP since the war between the states and so forth but need more coffee.

In summary the fraud and money you are squawking about is only because it failed in the Governor's race. And if Ron Paul had not sold his soul for his son, it would have been a landslide. I do not hold this against Ron, but I am disappointed. The Libertarians had a chance to gain VA ballot access with 10%, but the Republican Libertarians switched to the gop. The Libertarian votes came mostly from the libertarian democrats.

(11-09-2013 11:18 AM)dcCid Wrote:  1 - The republican brand sucks
2 - The GOP controls every localities election board because of some arcane Va law - so even with their fraud and voter suppression, there was a resounding rejection of the GOP brand.
3 - Virginians are becoming more educated which is what is driving this.
4 - Ron Paul selling his soul for his son is only why it was this close (And I do not think much less of Ron for this since it was for his son)


if you care u can read below for some VA political history

Va became a 2 party state after the northern dems and southern republicans passed the civil rights and voting rights acts. The Byrd machine collapsed in 1969 when Henry Howell won the Dem primary for governor. Pollard (the Byrd candidate ran as an IND). Holton the Republican won; the first Republican actually ever elected to GOV of Va (They were appointed during reconstruction, opr used current GOP election fraud if by popular vote).

Ever since (with the possible exception of 1973) VA has elected a Governor opposite of the Party of the president. I say possible exception of 73 because Mills Godwin was the Dem Gov from 1965-1969 & switched parties to run in 73 since the dem brand was weak in VA after McGovern ran in 72 saying he would beg for peace in Vietnam. (That was before we watched americans flee on helicopters from Nixons peace with honor execution). My mom was part of the Newport News Democrats who voted 10-2 not to endorse McGovern in 72, and supported Godwin in 73.

The above ramblings are just to say the tradition goes back to 1973. And the fact that it broke this year says a lot for the current GOP. Back then the could still say the "N" word to motivate more votes. Sen Spong lost the 1972 Senate race to Scott and Scott's only campaign add was that Spong was the Only Southern Senator to vote for the voting rights act.

Can go on and blah blah blah about the Valley and Western VA being GOP since the war between the states and so forth but need more coffee.

In summary the fraud and money you are squawking about is only because it failed in the Governor's race. And if Ron Paul had not sold his soul for his son, it would have been a landslide. I do not hold this against Ron, but I am disappointed. The Libertarians had a chance to gain VA ballot access with 10%, but the Republican Libertarians switched to the gop. The Libertarian votes came mostly from the libertarian democrats.

This stupid fallacy is getting old. If it were true the GOP would be losing everywhere. Sadly for Democrats, the GOP is killing them at the state level.

Virginians are becoming more educated? You mean Virginians are becoming more immigrant that is easy to manipulate, and has no earthly idea what is happening around them.

(11-09-2013 11:18 AM)dcCid Wrote:  (That was before we watched americans flee on helicopters from Nixons peace with honor execution).

There's so much that is half-false or completely false in dcCid's comment and there's nothing to be gained in rehashng all of it. But it should be said that Nixon resigned from office about 8-9 months prior to the evacuation of Saigon. Even his most vehement critics and haters have never claimed that the helicopters-on-the-embassy-roof debacle would have happened if he had remained in office.

dixie.......

in 2012 the dems won the popular vote at the house level but the gop sent 32 more people to the house.

they are "killing it at the state level" because of all the voter suppression,voter disenfranchisement, & gerrymandering they do.

(11-09-2013 11:27 AM)john01992 Wrote:  dixie.......

in 2012 the dems won the popular vote at the house level but the gop sent 32 more people to the house.

they are "killing it at the state level" because of all the voter suppression,voter disenfranchisement, & gerrymandering they do.

john, the 2014 midterms will end the career of every last swing state Dem. I really hope you have your whiskey stocked.

(11-09-2013 11:27 AM)john01992 Wrote:  dixie.......

in 2012 the dems won the popular vote at the house level but the gop sent 32 more people to the house.

they are "killing it at the state level" because of all the voter suppression,voter disenfranchisement, & gerrymandering they do.

Just a question. How much of this advantage is run up in black-majority districts where there is no Republican opposition?

(11-09-2013 11:27 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:18 AM)dcCid Wrote:  (That was before we watched americans flee on helicopters from Nixons peace with honor execution).

There's so much that is half-false or completely false in dcCid's comment and there's nothing to be gained in rehashng all of it. But it should be said that Nixon resigned from office about 8-9 months prior to the evacuation of Saigon. Even his most vehement critics and haters have never claimed that the helicopters-on-the-embassy-roof debacle would have happened if he had remained in office.

Not only were his comments half truths, he didn't address the statistical anomaly proving that something dirty went down.

I provided a 20 year history that proved fraud... not hyperbole.

(11-09-2013 11:24 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:18 AM)dcCid Wrote:  1 - The republican brand sucks
2 - The GOP controls every localities election board because of some arcane Va law - so even with their fraud and voter suppression, there was a resounding rejection of the GOP brand.
3 - Virginians are becoming more educated which is what is driving this.
4 - Ron Paul selling his soul for his son is only why it was this close (And I do not think much less of Ron for this since it was for his son)


if you care u can read below for some VA political history

Va became a 2 party state after the northern dems and southern republicans passed the civil rights and voting rights acts. The Byrd machine collapsed in 1969 when Henry Howell won the Dem primary for governor. Pollard (the Byrd candidate ran as an IND). Holton the Republican won; the first Republican actually ever elected to GOV of Va (They were appointed during reconstruction, opr used current GOP election fraud if by popular vote).

Ever since (with the possible exception of 1973) VA has elected a Governor opposite of the Party of the president. I say possible exception of 73 because Mills Godwin was the Dem Gov from 1965-1969 & switched parties to run in 73 since the dem brand was weak in VA after McGovern ran in 72 saying he would beg for peace in Vietnam. (That was before we watched americans flee on helicopters from Nixons peace with honor execution). My mom was part of the Newport News Democrats who voted 10-2 not to endorse McGovern in 72, and supported Godwin in 73.

The above ramblings are just to say the tradition goes back to 1973. And the fact that it broke this year says a lot for the current GOP. Back then the could still say the "N" word to motivate more votes. Sen Spong lost the 1972 Senate race to Scott and Scott's only campaign add was that Spong was the Only Southern Senator to vote for the voting rights act.

Can go on and blah blah blah about the Valley and Western VA being GOP since the war between the states and so forth but need more coffee.

In summary the fraud and money you are squawking about is only because it failed in the Governor's race. And if Ron Paul had not sold his soul for his son, it would have been a landslide. I do not hold this against Ron, but I am disappointed. The Libertarians had a chance to gain VA ballot access with 10%, but the Republican Libertarians switched to the gop. The Libertarian votes came mostly from the libertarian democrats.

This stupid fallacy is getting old. If it were true the GOP would be losing everywhere. Sadly for Democrats, the GOP is killing them at the state level.

Virginians are becoming more educated? You mean Virginians are becoming more immigrant that is easy to manipulate, and has no earthly idea what is happening around them.

i will be the 1st to admit that having a piece of paper saying that you are smart does not mean squat. Neither of my parents got past 8th grade but I still respected them for their intelligence. Although my dad always thought the 14th amendment was unconstitutional because the southern sates were under military rule at the time it was passed.

My moms parents were dark skinned immigrants - (portugal - Italy). I work in IT with a lot of Asians in Herndon VA. They often wait and get citizenship when their green card is about to expire. Yes they ask a lot of questions about what is happening around them. I ask questions back about their culture.

Regardless - Asians who are citizens were once solidly Republican, you tell me why they now vote for the democrat.

(11-09-2013 11:38 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:27 AM)john01992 Wrote:  dixie.......

in 2012 the dems won the popular vote at the house level but the gop sent 32 more people to the house.

they are "killing it at the state level" because of all the voter suppression,voter disenfranchisement, & gerrymandering they do.

Just a question. How much of this advantage is run up in black-majority districts where there is no Republican opposition?

less of an advantage than the 6 hr voting lines in inner city districts. or the closing of polling stations on universities.

if the GOP wants to get the black vote ==> take up issues that are appealing to them

a gop winning an inner city has as much a chance as a dem in a rural bible belt district

(11-09-2013 11:29 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:27 AM)john01992 Wrote:  dixie.......

in 2012 the dems won the popular vote at the house level but the gop sent 32 more people to the house.

they are "killing it at the state level" because of all the voter suppression,voter disenfranchisement, & gerrymandering they do.

john, the 2014 midterms will end the career of every last swing state Dem. I really hope you have your whiskey stocked.

and you guaranteed romney would be president.......

how many times are we gonna go over this.....

you say oh just wait until next year.
next year comes ==> your party loses and you say.....just wait until next year

Thye Dumbocratic party brand is that of the Liar's party.

(11-09-2013 12:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:38 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:27 AM)john01992 Wrote:  dixie.......

in 2012 the dems won the popular vote at the house level but the gop sent 32 more people to the house.

they are "killing it at the state level" because of all the voter suppression,voter disenfranchisement, & gerrymandering they do.

Just a question. How much of this advantage is run up in black-majority districts where there is no Republican opposition?

less of an advantage than the 6 hr voting lines in inner city districts. or the closing of polling stations on universities.

if the GOP wants to get the black vote ==> take up issues that are appealing to them

a gop winning an inner city has as much a chance as a dem in a rural bible belt district

Apparently the answer to my question would be embarrassing.

(11-09-2013 11:27 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-09-2013 11:18 AM)dcCid Wrote:  (That was before we watched americans flee on helicopters from Nixons peace with honor execution).

There's so much that is half-false or completely false in dcCid's comment and there's nothing to be gained in rehashng all of it. But it should be said that Nixon resigned from office about 8-9 months prior to the evacuation of Saigon. Even his most vehement critics and haters have never claimed that the helicopters-on-the-embassy-roof debacle would have happened if he had remained in office.

Hey I was, and still am, a Nixon supporter and voted for Ford in 76 (was true undecided and made decision in voting both in my 1st presidential election) because he pardoned Nixon. Nixon was no more of a crook then those that were there before him. My point is that people and their politics evolve. Especially in VA where there were historical splits from the war between the states.

What people saw on TV however was blamed on Nixon at the time.