(10-31-2013 01:19 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 10:42 PM)AllPtsBulletin Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 09:07 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  We would also eliminate THE major source of funding for the criminal element in our society, effectively neutering organized crime...

What's not to like about it? We'd quit spending $500 per second at the federal level (state and local governments spent approximately $25 billion), and make million in new taxes. If you really want to balance the budget...

You make a point, but do you think "organized crime" would just sit back and take it in stride if their cash cow was taken away?

I bet not. They will still wreak havoc. The idea sounded cute, though.

I wasn't talking about just marijuana though. They might as well just cut out the war on drugs altogether. Every year we spend more and more money fighting drugs, and every year more drugs enter the country, with a higher potency every year as well...

We should allow people to purchase whatever drugs they like. It's far easier to regulate something that's legal. We could also let junkies purchase sterile needles legally, which would greatly slow down the spread of the world's largest pandemic - Hepatitis B/C, resulting in a healthier world. It would also remove drug pushers from the schools, and would take away the thrill of doing something illegal from kids as well...

And if we sell these drugs next to rehab centers, those who are addicted could have an available option right next door. The countries that have done similar to what I'm discussing have seen an immediate drop in crime as a result of people having legal options. They don't need to steal to support their habits, since the price of their drug fix has been greatly reduced...

IMO it only makes sense. People are going to seek out drugs, whether they're legal or illegal. Why not allow them to do so safely? We could collect tax money from the sale, instead of spending a fortune trying to fight it...

Ideally you are dead on the money Bit. The problem is we have very well placed, very wealthy people in this country who along with their corporate connections make tons of illicit, un-taxed, money off of the narcotics trade and they are going to fight every effort to legalize it tooth and nail. And some of our surreptitious espionage organizations have utilized the same business shills to accomplish their objectives.

(10-31-2013 01:40 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-31-2013 01:19 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 10:42 PM)AllPtsBulletin Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 09:07 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  We would also eliminate THE major source of funding for the criminal element in our society, effectively neutering organized crime...

What's not to like about it? We'd quit spending $500 per second at the federal level (state and local governments spent approximately $25 billion), and make million in new taxes. If you really want to balance the budget...

You make a point, but do you think "organized crime" would just sit back and take it in stride if their cash cow was taken away?

I bet not. They will still wreak havoc. The idea sounded cute, though.

I wasn't talking about just marijuana though. They might as well just cut out the war on drugs altogether. Every year we spend more and more money fighting drugs, and every year more drugs enter the country, with a higher potency every year as well...

We should allow people to purchase whatever drugs they like. It's far easier to regulate something that's legal. We could also let junkies purchase sterile needles legally, which would greatly slow down the spread of the world's largest pandemic - Hepatitis B/C, resulting in a healthier world. It would also remove drug pushers from the schools, and would take away the thrill of doing something illegal from kids as well...

And if we sell these drugs next to rehab centers, those who are addicted could have an available option right next door. The countries that have done similar to what I'm discussing have seen an immediate drop in crime as a result of people having legal options. They don't need to steal to support their habits, since the price of their drug fix has been greatly reduced...

IMO it only makes sense. People are going to seek out drugs, whether they're legal or illegal. Why not allow them to do so safely? We could collect tax money from the sale, instead of spending a fortune trying to fight it...

Ideally you are dead on the money Bit. The problem is we have very well placed, very wealthy people in this country who along with their corporate connections make tons of illicit, un-taxed, money off of the narcotics trade and they are going to fight every effort to legalize it tooth and nail. And some of our surreptitious espionage organizations have utilized the same business shills to accomplish their objectives.

You don't need to tell me about this. I've had dealings with both sides of the equation. Although officially sanctioned entities gave me my first experiences in this area during my time in southeast Asia...

But I expect it to happen eventually. All evidence points to the stupidity of our war on drugs. It's a waste of time and money, and we'll admit defeat in due time...

(10-31-2013 02:29 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-31-2013 01:40 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-31-2013 01:19 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 10:42 PM)AllPtsBulletin Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 09:07 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  We would also eliminate THE major source of funding for the criminal element in our society, effectively neutering organized crime...

What's not to like about it? We'd quit spending $500 per second at the federal level (state and local governments spent approximately $25 billion), and make million in new taxes. If you really want to balance the budget...

You make a point, but do you think "organized crime" would just sit back and take it in stride if their cash cow was taken away?

I bet not. They will still wreak havoc. The idea sounded cute, though.

I wasn't talking about just marijuana though. They might as well just cut out the war on drugs altogether. Every year we spend more and more money fighting drugs, and every year more drugs enter the country, with a higher potency every year as well...

We should allow people to purchase whatever drugs they like. It's far easier to regulate something that's legal. We could also let junkies purchase sterile needles legally, which would greatly slow down the spread of the world's largest pandemic - Hepatitis B/C, resulting in a healthier world. It would also remove drug pushers from the schools, and would take away the thrill of doing something illegal from kids as well...

And if we sell these drugs next to rehab centers, those who are addicted could have an available option right next door. The countries that have done similar to what I'm discussing have seen an immediate drop in crime as a result of people having legal options. They don't need to steal to support their habits, since the price of their drug fix has been greatly reduced...

IMO it only makes sense. People are going to seek out drugs, whether they're legal or illegal. Why not allow them to do so safely? We could collect tax money from the sale, instead of spending a fortune trying to fight it...

Ideally you are dead on the money Bit. The problem is we have very well placed, very wealthy people in this country who along with their corporate connections make tons of illicit, un-taxed, money off of the narcotics trade and they are going to fight every effort to legalize it tooth and nail. And some of our surreptitious espionage organizations have utilized the same business shills to accomplish their objectives.

You don't need to tell me about this. I've had dealings with both sides of the equation. Although officially sanctioned entities gave me my first experiences in this area during my time in southeast Asia...

But I expect it to happen eventually. All evidence points to the stupidity of our war on drugs. It's a waste of time and money, and we'll admit defeat in due time...

Well, I guess that's my point. The voices calling for reason on this issue will never be heard over the illicit money. And, it is the illicit money that buys the legislation.

(10-31-2013 02:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-31-2013 02:29 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-31-2013 01:40 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-31-2013 01:19 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 10:42 PM)AllPtsBulletin Wrote:  You make a point, but do you think "organized crime" would just sit back and take it in stride if their cash cow was taken away?

I bet not. They will still wreak havoc. The idea sounded cute, though.

I wasn't talking about just marijuana though. They might as well just cut out the war on drugs altogether. Every year we spend more and more money fighting drugs, and every year more drugs enter the country, with a higher potency every year as well...

We should allow people to purchase whatever drugs they like. It's far easier to regulate something that's legal. We could also let junkies purchase sterile needles legally, which would greatly slow down the spread of the world's largest pandemic - Hepatitis B/C, resulting in a healthier world. It would also remove drug pushers from the schools, and would take away the thrill of doing something illegal from kids as well...

And if we sell these drugs next to rehab centers, those who are addicted could have an available option right next door. The countries that have done similar to what I'm discussing have seen an immediate drop in crime as a result of people having legal options. They don't need to steal to support their habits, since the price of their drug fix has been greatly reduced...

IMO it only makes sense. People are going to seek out drugs, whether they're legal or illegal. Why not allow them to do so safely? We could collect tax money from the sale, instead of spending a fortune trying to fight it...

Ideally you are dead on the money Bit. The problem is we have very well placed, very wealthy people in this country who along with their corporate connections make tons of illicit, un-taxed, money off of the narcotics trade and they are going to fight every effort to legalize it tooth and nail. And some of our surreptitious espionage organizations have utilized the same business shills to accomplish their objectives.

You don't need to tell me about this. I've had dealings with both sides of the equation. Although officially sanctioned entities gave me my first experiences in this area during my time in southeast Asia...

But I expect it to happen eventually. All evidence points to the stupidity of our war on drugs. It's a waste of time and money, and we'll admit defeat in due time...

Well, I guess that's my point. The voices calling for reason on this issue will never be heard over the illicit money. And, it is the illicit money that buys the legislation.

For now. In time this too shall pass...

More to the picture than meets the eye, indeed.

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/11/1/505620...marijuana-

Quote:Carl Pelini resigned from his position as head football coach at Florida Atlantic University on Wednesday after two affidavits alleged he used both marijuana and cocaine during his time at the school.

In documents obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request by SB Nation, a man named Matt Edwards and a woman named Allison Stewart state they witnessed Pelini's use of illegal drugs. Matt Edwards is also the name of FAU's defensive line and special teams coach and a longtime assistant tied to former FAU defensive coordinator Pete Rekstis, who also resigned.

And here's a tease about even more...

https://twitter.com/dkurtenbach/status/3...6111111168

Quote:Dieter Kurtenbach
‏@dkurtenbach

When Pat Chun told @JFowlerCBS it wasn’t just drugs, he wasn’t lying. My story is still with lawyers. Hang with me, guys.

The cocaine thing changes my opinion a bit. That's a fireable offense.

(10-31-2013 01:19 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 10:42 PM)AllPtsBulletin Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 09:07 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  We would also eliminate THE major source of funding for the criminal element in our society, effectively neutering organized crime...

What's not to like about it? We'd quit spending $500 per second at the federal level (state and local governments spent approximately $25 billion), and make million in new taxes. If you really want to balance the budget...

You make a point, but do you think "organized crime" would just sit back and take it in stride if their cash cow was taken away?

I bet not. They will still wreak havoc. The idea sounded cute, though.

I wasn't talking about just marijuana though. They might as well just cut out the war on drugs altogether. Every year we spend more and more money fighting drugs, and every year more drugs enter the country, with a higher potency every year as well...

We should allow people to purchase whatever drugs they like. It's far easier to regulate something that's legal. We could also let junkies purchase sterile needles legally, which would greatly slow down the spread of the world's largest pandemic - Hepatitis B/C, resulting in a healthier world. It would also remove drug pushers from the schools, and would take away the thrill of doing something illegal from kids as well...

And if we sell these drugs next to rehab centers, those who are addicted could have an available option right next door. The countries that have done similar to what I'm discussing have seen an immediate drop in crime as a result of people having legal options. They don't need to steal to support their habits, since the price of their drug fix has been greatly reduced...

IMO it only makes sense. People are going to seek out drugs, whether they're legal or illegal. Why not allow them to do so safely? We could collect tax money from the sale, instead of spending a fortune trying to fight it...

Spot on my friend. People don't realize how much we could shave off of the deficit if we ended the war on drugs. Not so much from new revenue but from the reduction in costs both direct and indirect in waging the war on drugs.

It gets better. We may never know just how good this story is.

What is in the paper is pretty good:

One of the affidavits was signed by FAU's defensive line coach.

The DC who resigned almost signed an affidavit about Carl Pelini's drug use, but ended up not signing.

Other assistant coaches were questioned by police and confirmed they had seen drug use.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-f...9156.story

Quote:While Chun met with Rekstis and Pelini individually on Wednesday, FAU's other assistant coaches were in the Founders Lounge at FAU's football facility, where Pelini had held his weekly press conference only two days earlier.

Police asked assistant coaches if they had seen Pelini and Rekstis use drugs, and sources close to the program told the Sun Sentinel that there were additional confirmations.

The reporter says that he knows more, but the paper's lawyers won't let him tell.

https://twitter.com/dkurtenbach

Quote: Pat Trader ‏@traderpat4 58m
@dkurtenbach there has to be more to this, hope you can shed some light eventually. Why would an asst. share that info with an AD?

Dieter Kurtenbach ‏@dkurtenbach 55m
@traderpat4 lawyers balked at why.

Pat Trader ‏@traderpat4 52m
@dkurtenbach understand. But this story doesn't happen without motive from someone wanting to share with AD. Nothing so far tells why.

Dieter Kurtenbach ‏@dkurtenbach 51m
@traderpat4 I know why. Wish I could tell you.

Carl Pelini hasnt been seen or heard from since the resignation.

Dieter Kurtenbach ‏@dkurtenbach 5m

I'm told hasn't been unable to contact Carl Pelini since he resigned. This includes his *nephew* Jack, who remains on the FAUs staff.