(10-19-2013 06:26 PM)NewMex RocketFan Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 05:58 PM)AquaRocket Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 04:36 PM)Rocket4Life Wrote:  Did anyone else notice that, MULTIPLE times, our coaches were rotating DL when Navy was not substituting anyone, so they would do the smart thing (something that UT NEVER does!) and quick snap the ball because our DL would not be set. The biggest one came on the 4th & 1 in the 2nd OT. WHY, WHY, WHY, WHY do you rotate DL when Navy is not subbing anyone? STUPID! DL are not fast, so they can't just run in and out real quick. Could have cost us big time today.

YEP!

Sounds like an excellent question for the Monday show.

I don't disagree with questioning the substitutions; however, for a change I am going to give the coaching staff some credit for a good decision. When the FG team originally came out on the field in the first OT, I had the exact same reaction I had when Beckman refused to use his TOs during that last NIU drive in 2011-----"What is he thinking??? Here we go again, ensuring another loss"----but miracle of miracles, Campbell called a timeout and decided to go for it, which eventually allowed UT to win the game----and for that I give him a lot of credit.

This coach and staff may well become MAC champs one season, but for now I think it is fair to say that they are still not that experienced and struggling with prep and game decision-making. I know the triple option isn't easy to prepare for but c'mon, after having 2 weeks to get ready I thought we would look better on D than that. And still too many stupid penalties. Only UT seems capable of following a penalty for 12 men on the field with needing to use a TO the very next play because we only have 10 men on the field.

As for the officiating--worst officiated game of the season so far.

I don't think we were at full strength and had two full weeks of contact practice. After our schedule, so far, part of this time was used to heal up the starters and continue to build depth. Just because guys are playing doesn't mean they are anywhere near healthy. Also, it is impossible to simulate Navy's offense even close to what they faced today.

(10-19-2013 09:30 PM)tolfbfan Wrote:  I don't think we were at full strength and had two full weeks of contact practice. After our schedule, so far, part of this time was used to heal up the starters and continue to build depth. Just because guys are playing doesn't mean they are anywhere near healthy. Also, it is impossible to simulate Navy's offense even close to what they faced today.

But Navy only scored 7 points against Duke last week...DUKE...in football, not basketball.

I don't think you can compare week to week. All the press this week pointed to Navy playing very well based on their frustration with the Duke game and comments about their attitude moving toward this game. Place some of our finest young people in the country in a corner and they are going to come out fighting. There is a reason they are at the Naval Academy.

Did anyone else see Navy's QB throwing up multiple times on the field during a TV timeout in the 2nd qtr? Then he threw up again right before he went under center.

(10-19-2013 09:57 PM)Rocket4Life Wrote:  Did anyone else see Navy's QB throwing up multiple times on the field during a TV in the 2nd qtr? Then he threw up again right before he went under center.

I thought I saw him lose it once but was across the field so I wasn't sure. I know I felt like puking while watching our attempts to find a passing game.

(10-19-2013 09:57 PM)Rocket4Life Wrote:  Did anyone else see Navy's QB throwing up multiple times on the field during a TV timeout in the 2nd qtr? Then he threw up again right before he went under center.

I sure did. Worst job in college football: the staff that cleaned it up from the turf with towels before the next play. Blech.

(10-19-2013 09:36 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 09:30 PM)tolfbfan Wrote:  I don't think we were at full strength and had two full weeks of contact practice. After our schedule, so far, part of this time was used to heal up the starters and continue to build depth. Just because guys are playing doesn't mean they are anywhere near healthy. Also, it is impossible to simulate Navy's offense even close to what they faced today.

But Navy only scored 7 points against Duke last week...DUKE...in football, not basketball.

Same Navy team that beat Indiana 41-35 in Bloomington.

(10-19-2013 02:55 PM)NewMex RocketFan Wrote:  Could be a very costly win for the Rockets with the number of injuries.

Somebody predicted in a previous thread Toledo would be in for a more physical game against Navy and warned of injuries.
Who ever that was, you were correct.

That play on Flu wasn't a cheap shot from the begining. FLu was laying hits on everybody trying for that extra yard. But once he was down, it looked like a extra tug on the facemask. It was a awkward take down for sure. Probably merited a penalty for the facemask because it apppeared he tugged backward on it.

The rest of the officiating wasn't terrible. Just typical. A couple of mistakes. Overall it didn't seem like a lot of flags except ones that were earned.

Owen, I agree totally with your assessment on Flu tackle and overall referee job.

(10-19-2013 09:10 PM)T-Town Wrote:  I don't disagree with questioning the substitutions; however, for a change I am going to give the coaching staff some credit for a good decision. When the FG team originally came out on the field in the first OT, I had the exact same reaction I had when Beckman refused to use his TOs during that last NIU drive in 2011-----"What is he thinking??? Here we go again, ensuring another loss"----but miracle of miracles, Campbell called a timeout and decided to go for it, which eventually allowed UT to win the game----and for that I give him a lot of credit.

We were very lucky on that play - VERY lucky. Jones tripped by himself and almost went down abut 2 yards from the line of scrimmage. If I was going to question anything - it would be why they went to Jones at the end of the game when Hunt had been getting big yardage and was tough to bring down after contact.

(10-20-2013 12:27 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  If I was going to question anything - it would be why they went to Jones at the end of the game when Hunt had been getting big yardage and was tough to bring down after contact.

At the post-game presser, Campbell said that Hunt was dinged up at the end, and that's why Jones-Moore was in during OT. Others have already reported him limping at the end of regulation. No report yet on what the ding was.

(10-20-2013 12:27 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 09:10 PM)T-Town Wrote:  I don't disagree with questioning the substitutions; however, for a change I am going to give the coaching staff some credit for a good decision. When the FG team originally came out on the field in the first OT, I had the exact same reaction I had when Beckman refused to use his TOs during that last NIU drive in 2011-----"What is he thinking??? Here we go again, ensuring another loss"----but miracle of miracles, Campbell called a timeout and decided to go for it, which eventually allowed UT to win the game----and for that I give him a lot of credit.

We were very lucky on that play - VERY lucky. Jones tripped by himself and almost went down abut 2 yards from the line of scrimmage. If I was going to question anything - it would be why they went to Jones at the end of the game when Hunt had been getting big yardage and was tough to bring down after contact.

After the UT offense disappointingly failed to put the game away even after being given the ball inside Navy territory to start a crucial series thanks to best UT defensive series of the day (except for the series ending with Elliot's TD), I sensed that the UT defense was about done in after a long day and from that point on only Navy (and the clock on the last drive in regulation) could keep Navy out of the end zone which is in fact how it played out. Had UT kicked the FG rather than going for it on fourth down in the first OT, I am fully convinced that the final score would have been Navy 44, UT 41, although there is no way to prove it.

Earlier in the game when it was always Hunt coming in for Fluellen and never Jones-Moore or McDowell, I wondered if they were injured or maybe just in the coach's doghouse, so like you I was startled to see Jones-Moore suddenly appear in the OT in place of Hunt who was having a player-of-the-game sort of day. It turns out that McDowell was home in Florida attending to personal matters which explains his absence but I still wonder why: 1) Jones-Moore was not used earlier in the game (along with Hunt), and 2) more importantly, why he was used instead of Hunt in the OT?---was Hunt 100% by game's end?

Congrats on the win against Navy. The MAC needs all of these wins it can get, and Navy is a good team.

One runs harder, one is stronger, one is better in space, one is faster, one is better on goal line....the coaches know their players and certain packages fit certain players. It worked.

(10-20-2013 03:02 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  One runs harder, one is stronger, one is better in space, one is faster, one is better on goal line....the coaches know their players and certain packages fit certain players. It worked.

One guy fits that bill and its Fluellen.
Glad the other guys steped up in his absence.

(10-20-2013 08:57 AM)owen Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 02:55 PM)NewMex RocketFan Wrote:  Could be a very costly win for the Rockets with the number of injuries.

Somebody predicted in a previous thread Toledo would be in for a more physical game against Navy and warned of injuries.
Who ever that was, you were correct.

That play on Flu wasn't a cheap shot from the begining. FLu was laying hits on everybody trying for that extra yard. But once he was down, it looked like a extra tug on the facemask. It was a awkward take down for sure. Probably merited a penalty for the facemask because it apppeared he tugged backward on it.

The rest of the officiating wasn't terrible. Just typical. A couple of mistakes. Overall it didn't seem like a lot of flags except ones that were earned.

surprised there isn't a separate thread on the tackle/injury. I wasn't at the game, but watching it live and also replaying the hit about 10 times, I gotta say it was one of the dirtiest plays I've ever seen.

the initial tackles was a rough play that I don't have a problem with. flu was running over guys and the tackler made an aggressive head and neck tackle that probably should have been flagged, but you can't blame him for it, considering his buddy just got pancaked trying to meet flu chest to chest.

however, he finished the tackle by using the facemask and helmet to bend flu's head dangerously backwards. his knees are down. however, he finishes the tackle to the point flu is hyperextending his neck and his knees.

THEN, the punk gives him an extra twist, AFTER THE WHISTLE, when he is clearly in pain. none was flagged.

I consider it not just a penalty but a sadistic play. there was clear intent to inflict pain and injury on a defensless player (most of it after the play was over).

that ross Madison was penalized for putting a hard shoulder into a navy runner at the same pad level, while the flu intentional injury was considered a legal play shows us how confused the officiating of contact has gotten in football. it's a rough game. you shouldn't take that away. penalize dirty play and guys who head hunt. continue to give excellent and cautious care for injuries, especaily head injuries and play the game.

I did not play college football. but played as a teenager in jr high and hs. if a guy did that to one of our leaders, we would have gotten his punk as& back. I'm not a hot headed type person but that play had me ready to fight.

(10-20-2013 07:44 PM)pono Wrote:  

(10-20-2013 08:57 AM)owen Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 02:55 PM)NewMex RocketFan Wrote:  Could be a very costly win for the Rockets with the number of injuries.

Somebody predicted in a previous thread Toledo would be in for a more physical game against Navy and warned of injuries.
Who ever that was, you were correct.

That play on Flu wasn't a cheap shot from the begining. FLu was laying hits on everybody trying for that extra yard. But once he was down, it looked like a extra tug on the facemask. It was a awkward take down for sure. Probably merited a penalty for the facemask because it apppeared he tugged backward on it.

The rest of the officiating wasn't terrible. Just typical. A couple of mistakes. Overall it didn't seem like a lot of flags except ones that were earned.

surprised there isn't a separate thread on the tackle/injury. I wasn't at the game, but watching it live and also replaying the hit about 10 times, I gotta say it was one of the dirtiest plays I've ever seen.

the initial tackles was a rough play that I don't have a problem with. flu was running over guys and the tackler made an aggressive head and neck tackle that probably should have been flagged, but you can't blame him for it, considering his buddy just got pancaked trying to meet flu chest to chest.

however, he finished the tackle by using the facemask and helmet to bend flu's head dangerously backwards. his knees are down. however, he finishes the tackle to the point flu is hyperextending his neck and his knees.

THEN, the punk gives him an extra twist, AFTER THE WHISTLE, when he is clearly in pain. none was flagged.

I consider it not just a penalty but a sadistic play. there was clear intent to inflict pain and injury on a defensless player (most of it after the play was over).

that ross Madison was penalized for putting a hard shoulder into a navy runner at the same pad level, while the flu intentional injury was considered a legal play shows us how confused the officiating of contact has gotten in football. it's a rough game. you shouldn't take that away. penalize dirty play and guys who head hunt. continue to give excellent and cautious care for injuries, especaily head injuries and play the game.

I did not play college football. but played as a teenager in jr high and hs. if a guy did that to one of our leaders, we would have gotten his punk as& back. I'm not a hot headed type person but that play had me ready to fight.

Oh my aching vocal cords.
That play with Flu took place right in front of me and I literally lost it for 20 minutes.
I went from a fan respecting an honorable opponent to a fan that thought we were playing Marshall.
After finally tiring of ragging on the refs and telling anyone nearby my seat that Navy was dirty I proceeded to enjoy one of the best college football games I have ever seen.
Oh for the second time ever I had another spectator tell me to sit down, I was embarrassing myself.
I take that as another badge of honor as a very passionate Rocket fan.

it's a football game. stand up and yell. or go to church