So if on-campus is the way to go, why have some posted our head coach, who ought to have a pretty good insight, wants a move downtown?

As long as they serve beer, who cares where it is?

(05-25-2014 01:51 PM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote:  So if on-campus is the way to go, why have some posted our head coach, who ought to have a pretty good insight, wants a move downtown?

As long as they serve beer, who cares where it is?

Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall Cronin ever saying he preferred going downtown over staying on campus. I think he just wants an upgraded facility.

(05-25-2014 06:30 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 01:51 PM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote:  So if on-campus is the way to go, why have some posted our head coach, who ought to have a pretty good insight, wants a move downtown?

As long as they serve beer, who cares where it is?

Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall Cronin ever saying he preferred going downtown over staying on campus. I think he just wants an upgraded facility.

I believe I read at least one post on this site or the pay site that where UC plays basketball was part of why his contract has not been signed, and that his preference is downtown.

(05-25-2014 08:56 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(05-24-2014 07:45 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I'd rather play in a revamped/upgraded US Bank than a renovated 5/3rd....esp if they are going to reduce 5/3 to 10K seats which is lame.

Plus we get more casual fans downtown and the dinner pre/post options make it a fun night out.

this is a no brainer and I believe Mick wants it too

Tired of this "casual fan" fantasy. Couldn't even come anywhere close to selling out the UC-XU game downtown this year on a saturday night when it's supposedly one of the sports highlights of the year in this city. If the "casual fan" doesn't show up for this game, who thinks they're gonna show up for the big game against the Campbell Camels on a weeknight? Don't alienate your core fans and students who seem to overwhelming want to stay on campus to appeal to fans who don't exist.

The problem with that was it was not included in the season ticket packages that they were selling. And then the ticket price was inflated. I wouldn't buy them either, If I have just spent hundreds on a season ticket package that didn't include the signature game.

(05-27-2014 12:16 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 08:56 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(05-24-2014 07:45 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I'd rather play in a revamped/upgraded US Bank than a renovated 5/3rd....esp if they are going to reduce 5/3 to 10K seats which is lame.

Plus we get more casual fans downtown and the dinner pre/post options make it a fun night out.

this is a no brainer and I believe Mick wants it too

Tired of this "casual fan" fantasy. Couldn't even come anywhere close to selling out the UC-XU game downtown this year on a saturday night when it's supposedly one of the sports highlights of the year in this city. If the "casual fan" doesn't show up for this game, who thinks they're gonna show up for the big game against the Campbell Camels on a weeknight? Don't alienate your core fans and students who seem to overwhelming want to stay on campus to appeal to fans who don't exist.

The problem with that was it was not included in the season ticket packages that they were selling. And then the ticket price was inflated. I wouldn't buy them either, If I have just spent hundreds on a season ticket package that didn't include the signature game.

We're talking casual fans here, and season ticket holders shouldn't be put in that classification.
Everyone I know who has season tickets and pretty much everyone with season tickets in my section bought seats and were at the the UC-XU game this past year. Looking back on it, this was a nice litmus test to see if these so-called casual fans would come out in droves for a UC game downtown on a weekend night for one of the program's marquee games. Reported attendance was around 10k. Dismal failure. As someone pointed out on another board, pretty much every team who's tried to be an anchor tenant down there has failed at the turnstiles for whatever reason. I didn't check the numbers, but that poster claimed the Cyclones apparently had better attendance when they played at The Gardens then they do now at USB in case someone wanted to try and point them out as a success.

(05-27-2014 11:15 AM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 06:30 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 01:51 PM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote:  So if on-campus is the way to go, why have some posted our head coach, who ought to have a pretty good insight, wants a move downtown?

As long as they serve beer, who cares where it is?

Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall Cronin ever saying he preferred going downtown over staying on campus. I think he just wants an upgraded facility.

I believe I read at least one post on this site or the pay site that where UC plays basketball was part of why his contract has not been signed, and that his preference is downtown.

I also thought that either Mick, or his brother maybe, had tweeted it at some point

(05-27-2014 01:04 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  

(05-27-2014 11:15 AM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 06:30 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 01:51 PM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote:  So if on-campus is the way to go, why have some posted our head coach, who ought to have a pretty good insight, wants a move downtown?

As long as they serve beer, who cares where it is?

Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall Cronin ever saying he preferred going downtown over staying on campus. I think he just wants an upgraded facility.

I believe I read at least one post on this site or the pay site that where UC plays basketball was part of why his contract has not been signed, and that his preference is downtown.

I also thought that either Mick, or his brother maybe, had tweeted it at some point

Interesting update from Doc:

Quote:...MCRONIN was the speaker for the evening. He said lots of things I won't repeat, lest I never get invited again to a stag. He did say he didn't care where his team plays its home games, which is not what he had been saying. Cronin has preferred UC play at a revamped USBank Arena.

The school seems to be leaning toward spending at least $50 mil to renovate 5/3… part of the fix-up would include the removal of 3,000 seats.

What?

Anyone else ever heard of a re-do that eliminates close to 25 pct of the venue's seating capacity?

A big objection to moving downtown is the students won't be able to get there as easily. So?

Does Louisville care about that? UK? Georgetown? Villanova, for most of its games? Memphis, Marquette, St. John's? If students want to go, they'll find a way, very likely with the help of the university, which welcomes their energy.

Just curious, is there anyone on this board who supported the Bearcats through the 1980's disaster of playing downtown support the move?

(05-28-2014 12:03 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(05-27-2014 01:04 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  

(05-27-2014 11:15 AM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 06:30 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 01:51 PM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote:  So if on-campus is the way to go, why have some posted our head coach, who ought to have a pretty good insight, wants a move downtown?

As long as they serve beer, who cares where it is?

Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall Cronin ever saying he preferred going downtown over staying on campus. I think he just wants an upgraded facility.

I believe I read at least one post on this site or the pay site that where UC plays basketball was part of why his contract has not been signed, and that his preference is downtown.

I also thought that either Mick, or his brother maybe, had tweeted it at some point

Interesting update from Doc:

Quote:...MCRONIN was the speaker for the evening. He said lots of things I won't repeat, lest I never get invited again to a stag. He did say he didn't care where his team plays its home games, which is not what he had been saying. Cronin has preferred UC play at a revamped USBank Arena.

The school seems to be leaning toward spending at least $50 mil to renovate 5/3… part of the fix-up would include the removal of 3,000 seats.

What?

Anyone else ever heard of a re-do that eliminates close to 25 pct of the venue's seating capacity?

A big objection to moving downtown is the students won't be able to get there as easily. So?

Does Louisville care about that? UK? Georgetown? Villanova, for most of its games? Memphis, Marquette, St. John's? If students want to go, they'll find a way, very likely with the help of the university, which welcomes their energy.

If there is a choice between a renovated arena downtown and on campus, I would pick on campus. I am not sure what Doc is talking about with those schools. Villanova and St. John's split their games between campus and a pro arena. I don't think Georgetown comes close to filling their pro arena. Kentucky, Louisville, Memphis, and Marquette have larger fan bases with a tradition of playing off campus. If Cincinnati had a renovated arena downtown that would be great; however, that isn't happening anytime soon. I was just old enough to attend game when UC played off campus and I remember empty arena's and bad basketball. Heck most of US Bank games over the Cronin years were poorly attended. Arenas today are about lower capacity and fan comfort, not oversized sardine cans.

(05-28-2014 05:59 AM)rosewater Wrote:  Just curious, is there anyone on this board who supported the Bearcats through the 1980's disaster of playing downtown support the move?

I did, but I was a student. Probably went to about 75% of the home games, which included the last two Riverfront Coliseum years and the following even worse nightmare years at the Gardens.

Would never wish that experience on any student. There were some days my roommates had to work hard to convince each other to go. Sometimes we couldn't do it and went to some bar instead. Which is a shame, as you don't remember those sorts of wasted nights, but you do remember the game experience.

I do remember the night at the Coliseum they gave us helium filled balloons and we figured out how to tie them to our beer glasses so they would float above the court without rising to the ceiling. Imagine that game on ESPN these days!

I had season tickets while they were downtown.

Just like 5/3, logistically it was a fairly easy in/out. Of course the crowds weren't great, and Riverfront Coliseum was at best "generic".

If U C were to move downtown, I'm sure the experience would be much different from way back when we were playing Badgerball.

(05-28-2014 06:42 AM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  

(05-28-2014 12:03 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(05-27-2014 01:04 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  

(05-27-2014 11:15 AM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote:  

(05-25-2014 06:30 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall Cronin ever saying he preferred going downtown over staying on campus. I think he just wants an upgraded facility.

I believe I read at least one post on this site or the pay site that where UC plays basketball was part of why his contract has not been signed, and that his preference is downtown.

I also thought that either Mick, or his brother maybe, had tweeted it at some point

Interesting update from Doc:

Quote:...MCRONIN was the speaker for the evening. He said lots of things I won't repeat, lest I never get invited again to a stag. He did say he didn't care where his team plays its home games, which is not what he had been saying. Cronin has preferred UC play at a revamped USBank Arena.

The school seems to be leaning toward spending at least $50 mil to renovate 5/3… part of the fix-up would include the removal of 3,000 seats.

What?

Anyone else ever heard of a re-do that eliminates close to 25 pct of the venue's seating capacity?

A big objection to moving downtown is the students won't be able to get there as easily. So?

Does Louisville care about that? UK? Georgetown? Villanova, for most of its games? Memphis, Marquette, St. John's? If students want to go, they'll find a way, very likely with the help of the university, which welcomes their energy.

If there is a choice between a renovated arena downtown and on campus, I would pick on campus. I am not sure what Doc is talking about with those schools. Villanova and St. John's split their games between campus and a pro arena. I don't think Georgetown comes close to filling their pro arena. Kentucky, Louisville, Memphis, and Marquette have larger fan bases with a tradition of playing off campus. If Cincinnati had a renovated arena downtown that would be great; however, that isn't happening anytime soon. I was just old enough to attend game when UC played off campus and I remember empty arena's and bad basketball. Heck most of US Bank games over the Cronin years were poorly attended. Arenas today are about lower capacity and fan comfort, not oversized sardine cans.

I would take anything PDaugherty says with a grain of salt. You are correct, in that some of those schools he lists have had a history of off campus play. They have fan bases who historically have gone off campus and there are no part of the fan base expecting an on campus experience. Some of those school have two venues, ie St Johns.

UC had a history of on campus play, moved off campus (which seems was unsuccessful), and then came back onto campus. The admin/coaches, at the time, felt it needed to come back for a reason. At this point in time, I prefer whatever is best for the program and fans. The University has one shot at doing this the best way possible. They cannot do this on the cheap or to appease in the short term. This needs to be a long term solution. Mick, the AD, architects, and BOT need to lock themselves into a room and figure it out. They should not be divulging info at stags or to an idiot like PDaugherty or the media (Mr Barrett).

"A big objection to moving downtown is the students won't be able to get there as easily. So?"

That quote from the clown know as Daugherty pretty much sums up how irrelevant hs opinion should be. Wasn't the a$$hat recently carping about USB because the food provided to the media was cold... My response to him, "So?"

(05-28-2014 11:10 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  They should not be divulging info at stags or to an idiot like PDaugherty or the media (Mr Barrett).

I completely disagree - it's not like they are divulging state secrets. Part of Mick's and AD's job is to drum up interest in the program at events like stags and via communicating with the local press.

article in Fridays Enquirer
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/money/20.../11028467/

(06-20-2014 03:10 AM)UCBearcat4ever Wrote:  article in Fridays Enquirer
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/money/20.../11028467/

Here's an idea...
Don't try to USE the University of Cincinnati and treat us like a tool, and "means-to-an-end."

Why not show UC that we are actually a welcomed and valued resource?

They want UC to move their basketball downtown, to become a "second tenant," at USBank to provide the rationale to renovate the arena...and for UC to really foot the major part of the deal. But how about this? Why not renovate the arena...or at least commit to doing it...TO ATTRACT UC? I have the sneaky suspicion that once UC gets the project done, the City and County will turn around and accuse UC of "hogging," "wasting," and "obstructing," their shiny new arena and then the push will be to get UC games back on campus. In other words, once the tool has served it's purpose, you put it back in the cabinet.

Props to President Ono for looking out for UC's best interests. The City and Hamilton County aren't looking out for UC...as usual. UC ought to go ahead with the renovation of 5/3, and if the City and County are really serious about getting UC playing downtown, then THEY will ante up. But until then...

UC should not put a nickel into the deal, if any real deal is presented.

(06-20-2014 06:40 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  UC should not put a nickel into the deal, if any real deal is presented.

I didn't read the article but if Barrett and those republicans want to renovate us bank for a convention I hope UC tells them go F yourself.

Maybe Barrett should start convincing his fellow business leaders to up their game when it comes to supporting UC athletics.

We have major companies here. Any tell ESPN and Fox that they won't advertise on them unless UC is added back to the power cartel? Nope.

How many have been the Papa Johns that Louisville has? None.

I don't want Barrett to have his glory at all.

Kasich wants it here? Well I'm sorry I haven't heard you support UC. He probably wanted it in Columbus or Cleveland anyway.

Boehner? Any other silent political leaders.

Build on campus and tell them kiss my a$$

(06-20-2014 06:50 AM)50Cent Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 06:40 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  UC should not put a nickel into the deal, if any real deal is presented.

I didn't read the article but if Barrett and those republicans want to renovate us bank for a convention I hope UC tells them go F yourself.

Maybe Barrett should start convincing his fellow business leaders to up their game when it comes to supporting UC athletics.

We have major companies here. Any tell ESPN and Fox that they won't advertise on them unless UC is added back to the power cartel? Nope.

How many have been the Papa Johns that Louisville has? None.

I don't want Barrett to have his glory at all.

Kasich wants it here? Well I'm sorry I haven't heard you support UC. He probably wanted it in Columbus or Cleveland anyway.

Boehner? Any other silent political leaders.

Build on campus and tell them kiss my a$$

Yep if the downtown power brokers would like to see UC downtown that is fine, but they or arena ownership needs to come up with a 100 Million to renovate the arena.

(06-20-2014 06:32 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 03:10 AM)UCBearcat4ever Wrote:  article in Fridays Enquirer
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/money/20.../11028467/

Here's an idea...
Don't try to USE the University of Cincinnati and treat us like a tool, and "means-to-an-end."

Why not show UC that we are actually a welcomed and valued resource?

They want UC to move their basketball downtown, to become a "second tenant," at USBank to provide the rationale to renovate the arena...and for UC to really foot the major part of the deal. But how about this? Why not renovate the arena...or at least commit to doing it...TO ATTRACT UC? I have the sneaky suspicion that once UC gets the project done, the City and County will turn around and accuse UC of "hogging," "wasting," and "obstructing," their shiny new arena and then the push will be to get UC games back on campus. In other words, once the tool has served it's purpose, you put it back in the cabinet.

Props to President Ono for looking out for UC's best interests. The City and Hamilton County aren't looking out for UC...as usual. UC ought to go ahead with the renovation of 5/3, and if the City and County are really serious about getting UC playing downtown, then THEY will ante up. But until then...

This city has one of the best examples of how to operate just to the west in Indianapolis, but has learned nothing from it.

Where is Cincinnati's retractable roof or domed stadium? Without one the city has had no chance at high profile football or basketball events. Where is our nice indoor arena?

And UC should not pay one dime toward updating US Bank Arena.