By 150 men in retaliation to him allowing America to put boots on ground and capture terrorist. Discuss another example of our awful foreign policy and its ramifications below. At least we avoided another Black Hawk Down.

Deposing Col. Khadaffy was a bad idea.

Col. Khadaffy was far from a saint, but did applaud his giving up nuclear materials, and
would not have been all the al-Qaeda and other groups gains.

(10-10-2013 03:45 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Deposing Col. Khadaffy was a bad idea.

We have this idea that we should bring democracy to the Middle East and that would solve a lot of problems. The Middle East is not ready for democracy, and efforts to bring democracy have almost always ended up in military dictatorships, theocratic dictatorships, or socialist dictatorships. And of the three, military is the easiest to work with. The Brits learned that between WWI and WWII. We've been slow on the uptake.

This would suggest that deposing Saddam was also a bad idea. Unless he was getting ready to nuke Israel or Israel was getting ready to nuke him, that is unquestionably correct. If Israel was getting ready to nuke him, it's a closer call, but I'd have let them, not us, take care of him. And if he was getting ready to nuke Israel, well then, Israel was getting ready to nuke him first, see above.

Pretty much the same as what happened in Egypt.

(10-10-2013 05:39 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-10-2013 03:45 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Deposing Col. Khadaffy was a bad idea.

We have this idea that we should bring democracy to the Middle East and that would solve a lot of problems. The Middle East is not ready for democracy, and efforts to bring democracy have almost always ended up in military dictatorships, theocratic dictatorships, or socialist dictatorships. And of the three, military is the easiest to work with. The Brits learned that between WWI and WWII. We've been slow on the uptake.

This would suggest that deposing Saddam was also a bad idea. Unless he was getting ready to nuke Israel or Israel was getting ready to nuke him, that is unquestionably correct. If Israel was getting ready to nuke him, it's a closer call, but I'd have let them, not us, take care of him. And if he was getting ready to nuke Israel, well then, Israel was getting ready to nuke him first, see above.

Well, a military dictatorship often fears an opposing strong military and can be bought off with fancy military toys. It's the socialist and theocratic dictators that are the most scary as they are often zealots and will do suicidal things to further their aims.

Theocratic is the most dogmatic and willing to go over the edge for their beliefs. That's why tin pot dictators have used religion as an excuse for war throughout history as it's easier to get the masses to "die for their religion" than it is to "die so I can take my neighbor dictator's stuff".

(10-10-2013 06:30 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(10-10-2013 05:39 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-10-2013 03:45 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Deposing Col. Khadaffy was a bad idea.

We have this idea that we should bring democracy to the Middle East and that would solve a lot of problems. The Middle East is not ready for democracy, and efforts to bring democracy have almost always ended up in military dictatorships, theocratic dictatorships, or socialist dictatorships. And of the three, military is the easiest to work with. The Brits learned that between WWI and WWII. We've been slow on the uptake.

This would suggest that deposing Saddam was also a bad idea. Unless he was getting ready to nuke Israel or Israel was getting ready to nuke him, that is unquestionably correct. If Israel was getting ready to nuke him, it's a closer call, but I'd have let them, not us, take care of him. And if he was getting ready to nuke Israel, well then, Israel was getting ready to nuke him first, see above.

Well, a military dictatorship often fears an opposing strong military and can be bought off with fancy military toys. It's the socialist and theocratic dictators that are the most scary as they are often zealots and will do suicidal things to further their aims.

Theocratic is the most dogmatic and willing to go over the edge for their beliefs. That's why tin pot dictators have used religion as an excuse for war throughout history as it's easier to get the masses to "die for their religion" than it is to "die so I can take my neighbor dictator's stuff".

History shows us that probably there will be new dictators to emerge in these places to replace the old dictators who were replaced by the masses of people overthrowing them.

(10-10-2013 06:45 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(10-10-2013 06:30 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(10-10-2013 05:39 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-10-2013 03:45 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Deposing Col. Khadaffy was a bad idea.

We have this idea that we should bring democracy to the Middle East and that would solve a lot of problems. The Middle East is not ready for democracy, and efforts to bring democracy have almost always ended up in military dictatorships, theocratic dictatorships, or socialist dictatorships. And of the three, military is the easiest to work with. The Brits learned that between WWI and WWII. We've been slow on the uptake.

This would suggest that deposing Saddam was also a bad idea. Unless he was getting ready to nuke Israel or Israel was getting ready to nuke him, that is unquestionably correct. If Israel was getting ready to nuke him, it's a closer call, but I'd have let them, not us, take care of him. And if he was getting ready to nuke Israel, well then, Israel was getting ready to nuke him first, see above.

Well, a military dictatorship often fears an opposing strong military and can be bought off with fancy military toys. It's the socialist and theocratic dictators that are the most scary as they are often zealots and will do suicidal things to further their aims.

Theocratic is the most dogmatic and willing to go over the edge for their beliefs. That's why tin pot dictators have used religion as an excuse for war throughout history as it's easier to get the masses to "die for their religion" than it is to "die so I can take my neighbor dictator's stuff".

History shows us that probably there will be new dictators to emerge in these places to replace the old dictators who were replaced by the masses of people overthrowing them.

Yep. It's how they are governed. It's a game of who can become the strongman.

He has been freed....

http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/10/10/3...ister.html

(10-10-2013 03:45 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Deposing Col. Khadaffy was a bad idea.

"The devil you know............"

(10-10-2013 07:21 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  He has been freed....

http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/10/10/3...ister.html

Not much of a kidnapping.