(10-09-2013 01:14 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The individual mandate is all that gives this bill teeth. Without it the whole law is a suggestion.

Ever since the Single Payer option was forced out of the ACA by the Republican Party, I have been against the ACA. I am not happy with the fact I am REQUIRED to get healthcare. But hey, I'm not happy I HAVE sign up for selective service. It's a law, whether you like it or not.

I want Single Payer. Period.

(10-09-2013 01:17 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 01:14 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The individual mandate is all that gives this bill teeth. Without it the whole law is a suggestion.

Ever since the Single Payer option was forced out of the ACA by the Republican Party, I have been against the ACA. I am not happy with the fact I am REQUIRED to get healthcare. But hey, I'm not happy I HAVE sign up for selective service. It's a law, whether you like it or not.

I want Single Payer. Period.

It's getting to the point, and our costs are so high for so little, that I'm leaning towards saying F-it and going down the wholly owned government road.

The ACA is a poorly written bill and it will drive up costs for little return. Our current system merely shafts the working poor and stiffing anybody it can for returns for shareholders.

The only downside, ****** healthcare. I grew up in countries with National Health Services and can't say they are impressive. If you have something odd and serious wrong with you, God help you.

If it were up to me, I'd be pushing for massive overhauls of the healthcare insurance industry and strict and decisive rules and laws. Let' be honest, it's an industry that makes money by betting on dying folks.

(10-09-2013 01:02 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  Its not too hard to see how angry the lefty trolls are today.

Its clear they are getting worried.

This just isn't working for Obama like he though it would.

Of course I am getting worried. I am worried how much longer I will keep my job once the tea baggers kill the world economy. Where I work now is really slow and if the world economy collapses, I will likely be out of a job. I believe that the tea bagger politicians know they are cornered and the only option they have left is to fight and that is a dangerous situation for the country to be in.

(10-09-2013 01:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 12:03 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  I am pleasantly surprised at their tenacity and conviction. Great to see. Time to stand is now, not later.

Hey, WMU can use the same picture.

(10-09-2013 01:21 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 01:17 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 01:14 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The individual mandate is all that gives this bill teeth. Without it the whole law is a suggestion.

Ever since the Single Payer option was forced out of the ACA by the Republican Party, I have been against the ACA. I am not happy with the fact I am REQUIRED to get healthcare. But hey, I'm not happy I HAVE sign up for selective service. It's a law, whether you like it or not.

I want Single Payer. Period.

It's getting to the point, and our costs are so high for so little, that I'm leaning towards saying F-it and going down the wholly owned government road.

The ACA is a poorly written bill and it will drive up costs for little return. Our current system merely shafts the working poor and stiffing anybody it can for returns for shareholders.

The only downside, ****** healthcare. I grew up in countries with National Health Services and can't say they are impressive. If you have something odd and serious wrong with you, God help you.

If it were up to me, I'd be pushing for massive overhauls of the healthcare insurance industry and strict and decisive rules and laws. Let' be honest, it's an industry that makes money by betting on dying folks.

You... I like you...

Well written post.

(10-09-2013 01:23 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  Well written post.

Agreed. Single payer is better than this ****, but I'm sure that actually making significant changes to the malpractice laws would have done more to actually help make healthcare more affordable than the ACA.

(10-09-2013 01:23 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 01:21 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 01:17 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 01:14 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The individual mandate is all that gives this bill teeth. Without it the whole law is a suggestion.

Ever since the Single Payer option was forced out of the ACA by the Republican Party, I have been against the ACA. I am not happy with the fact I am REQUIRED to get healthcare. But hey, I'm not happy I HAVE sign up for selective service. It's a law, whether you like it or not.

I want Single Payer. Period.

It's getting to the point, and our costs are so high for so little, that I'm leaning towards saying F-it and going down the wholly owned government road.

The ACA is a poorly written bill and it will drive up costs for little return. Our current system merely shafts the working poor and stiffing anybody it can for returns for shareholders.

The only downside, ****** healthcare. I grew up in countries with National Health Services and can't say they are impressive. If you have something odd and serious wrong with you, God help you.

If it were up to me, I'd be pushing for massive overhauls of the healthcare insurance industry and strict and decisive rules and laws. Let' be honest, it's an industry that makes money by betting on dying folks.

You... I like you...

Well written post.

Careful. You will get called a homosexual by the crazies soon.

(10-09-2013 01:02 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 12:55 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  So what should Boenher be doing right now?

He's doing fine right now but his track record says he struggles in the 4th quarter.

That's why we need to rally behind him. We need to stop being naysayers. We need to be united.

(10-09-2013 12:03 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  I am pleasantly surprised at their tenacity and conviction. Great to see. Time to stand is now, not later.

I agree.

As a lawyer I have to say that tort reform is an overpaid hand. It's very little of the whole equation and it only further shafts people.

Texas has done a lot of tort reform. The result, the inability to sue when a hospital 'forgets' to provide pain medication after a major surgery and the doctor went home and turned his phone off.

Torts are the only real thing that forces hospitals, and industries, to improve. Tort reform is part of what has allowed our healthcare industry to run away and be the stinking pile of crap it is.

(10-09-2013 01:21 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 01:02 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  Its not too hard to see how angry the lefty trolls are today.

Its clear they are getting worried.

This just isn't working for Obama like he though it would.

Of course I am getting worried. I am worried how much longer I will keep my job once the tea baggers kill the world economy. Where I work now is really slow and if the world economy collapses, I will likely be out of a job. I believe that the tea bagger politicians know they are cornered and the only option they have left is to fight and that is a dangerous situation for the country to be in.

I would respond to this seriously, but what would be the point?

No one but here takes you seriously but other trolls.

(10-09-2013 01:30 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 01:02 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 12:55 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  So what should Boenher be doing right now?

He's doing fine right now but his track record says he struggles in the 4th quarter.

That's why we need to rally behind him. We need to stop being naysayers. We need to be united.

That's naive man. He'll do what he wants to do.

I hope he sticks to his guns for one reason; it's time that the parties come back to the table and hash **** out instead of name call and grandstand. Other than that, Boehner, McCain, Reid, all cut from the same Maxi-pad as far as I'm concerned.

Like my Dad told me when I was a kid, "I'm not rich enough for the Republicans to care and I'm not poor enough for the Democrats."

(10-09-2013 01:04 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 01:00 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 12:58 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  The Republican Party has failed to repeal the Affordable Care Act over 40 times.

The Affordable Care Act is a Law passed by congress.

The Affordable Care Act is a Law signed by the President.

the Affordable Care Act is a Law ruled as constitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court.

I hope the Republican Party keeps throwing their tantrum. It's hilarious. What Law are you going to try to repeal next? Civil Rights? A Woman's Right to Vote?

You've already done damage to Voter Rights.

The Affordable Care Act has been rejected by the majority of America. The Affordable Care Act is doomed. The Affordable Care Act will not remain the law. The Affordable Care Act has little chance of being fully implemented.

The Affordable Care Act is anything but affordable.

Really? Where is your proof that the ACA is opposed by the majority of Americans?

To your second point, I have looked at HealthCare.gov for Kentucky and most of the plans I have seen have looked very affordable.

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/n...ins-hated/

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/...-1130.html

Most Americans are finding out it is much much more expensive with less coverage.

(10-09-2013 01:35 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 01:04 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 01:00 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 12:58 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  The Republican Party has failed to repeal the Affordable Care Act over 40 times.

The Affordable Care Act is a Law passed by congress.

The Affordable Care Act is a Law signed by the President.

the Affordable Care Act is a Law ruled as constitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court.

I hope the Republican Party keeps throwing their tantrum. It's hilarious. What Law are you going to try to repeal next? Civil Rights? A Woman's Right to Vote?

You've already done damage to Voter Rights.

The Affordable Care Act has been rejected by the majority of America. The Affordable Care Act is doomed. The Affordable Care Act will not remain the law. The Affordable Care Act has little chance of being fully implemented.

The Affordable Care Act is anything but affordable.

Really? Where is your proof that the ACA is opposed by the majority of Americans?

To your second point, I have looked at HealthCare.gov for Kentucky and most of the plans I have seen have looked very affordable.

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/n...ins-hated/

Quote:Brooklyn born, Long Island raised, and now living in Los Angeles, Eric Golub is a politically conservative columnist, author, public speaker, satirist and comedian. Eric is the author of the book trilogy “Ideological Bigotry, “Ideological Violence,” and “Ideological Idiocy.”

Yeah, he's probably a neutral party with no agenda.

(10-09-2013 01:32 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 01:21 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 01:02 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  Its not too hard to see how angry the lefty trolls are today.

Its clear they are getting worried.

This just isn't working for Obama like he though it would.

Of course I am getting worried. I am worried how much longer I will keep my job once the tea baggers kill the world economy. Where I work now is really slow and if the world economy collapses, I will likely be out of a job. I believe that the tea bagger politicians know they are cornered and the only option they have left is to fight and that is a dangerous situation for the country to be in.

I would respond to this seriously, but what would be the point?

No one but here takes you seriously but other trolls.

Why not? Can't handle the truth? I work at a company that for the most part sells non-essential products for consumers(mainly from Japanese and Korean companies that are made in China). The world economy goes down, the company I work for at a minimum lays off a bunch of people at worst goes under. Either way, my job would be in jeopardy- and good luck finding a job in a crashed world economy.

(10-09-2013 01:35 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 01:30 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 01:02 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 12:55 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  So what should Boenher be doing right now?

He's doing fine right now but his track record says he struggles in the 4th quarter.

That's why we need to rally behind him. We need to stop being naysayers. We need to be united.

That's naive man. He'll do what he wants to do.

I hope he sticks to his guns for one reason; it's time that the parties come back to the table and hash **** out instead of name call and grandstand. Other than that, Boehner, McCain, Reid, all cut from the same Maxi-pad as far as I'm concerned.

Like my Dad told me when I was a kid, "I'm not rich enough for the Republicans to care and I'm not poor enough for the Democrats."

I'm going out on a limb here and say you are among the libertarian movement who still thinks it's productive to bash both sides....when one side is clearly giving you what you want. I directed you to an article that discusses just that in a previous thread.

We don't need that right now. What is naive is thinking a third party candidate can win an election with less than 3 percent of the electorate. It's also naive to think we still have time to window shop and bicker. Look at your alternative to the GOP.

Instead of continuing the nay saying, how about holding the Democrats accountable for creating the fiscal issue.....and forcing Obamacare on the populace.

(10-09-2013 01:35 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 01:04 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 01:00 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 12:58 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  The Republican Party has failed to repeal the Affordable Care Act over 40 times.

The Affordable Care Act is a Law passed by congress.

The Affordable Care Act is a Law signed by the President.

the Affordable Care Act is a Law ruled as constitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court.

I hope the Republican Party keeps throwing their tantrum. It's hilarious. What Law are you going to try to repeal next? Civil Rights? A Woman's Right to Vote?

You've already done damage to Voter Rights.

The Affordable Care Act has been rejected by the majority of America. The Affordable Care Act is doomed. The Affordable Care Act will not remain the law. The Affordable Care Act has little chance of being fully implemented.

The Affordable Care Act is anything but affordable.

Really? Where is your proof that the ACA is opposed by the majority of Americans?

To your second point, I have looked at HealthCare.gov for Kentucky and most of the plans I have seen have looked very affordable.

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/n...ins-hated/

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/...-1130.html

Most Americans are finding out it is much much more expensive with less coverage.

Wow. That is amazing given that 'Fo sited his own case where that is not true.

(10-09-2013 12:58 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  The Republican Party has failed to repeal the Affordable Care Act over 40 times.

Did gays give up on repealing DOMA? Haven't they been trying to change established laws for years? What about Don't ask, don't tell? Did the gays give up just because they lost a round or two?

(10-09-2013 01:42 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 12:58 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  The Republican Party has failed to repeal the Affordable Care Act over 40 times.

Did gays give up on repealing DOMA? Haven't they been trying to change established laws for years? What about Don't ask, don't tell? Did the gays give up just because they lost a round or two?

hmm.

Civil Rights Issue vs. Pissy Republicans who Hate Universal Healthcare.

Like peas in a pod!

(10-09-2013 01:39 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 01:32 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 01:21 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(10-09-2013 01:02 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  Its not too hard to see how angry the lefty trolls are today.

Its clear they are getting worried.

This just isn't working for Obama like he though it would.

Of course I am getting worried. I am worried how much longer I will keep my job once the tea baggers kill the world economy. Where I work now is really slow and if the world economy collapses, I will likely be out of a job. I believe that the tea bagger politicians know they are cornered and the only option they have left is to fight and that is a dangerous situation for the country to be in.

I would respond to this seriously, but what would be the point?

No one but here takes you seriously but other trolls.

Why not? Can't handle the truth? I work at a company that for the most part sells non-essential products for consumers(mainly from Japanese and Korean companies that are made in China). The world economy goes down, the company I work for at a minimum lays off a bunch of people at worst goes under. Either way, my job would be in jeopardy- and good luck finding a job in a crashed world economy.

What destroys the US and world economy is your psychotic believe that 17 trillion in debt is not a concern and we can just up that on up to 20 and 25 trillion more and more government spending on every aspect of american life. NOw you want to tack another 1/6th of the US economy onto that tab. And anyone disagreeing with you gets showered with insults and childish trolling.

You really are insane