Looking back, it would have been fun to have Lynch throw it for 2 more plays...but the play was there...Hayes needed a little more loft on it, receiver was definitely open. The game was lost in my opinion in the 3rd quarter when UCF had it on their own 8 and threw that 30 yard pass where the guy was out of bounds. Watch as many replays as you need too....he was out of bounds. They score after that to tie it up 10-10....if we hold there, get field position and I doubt the game is in question after that...

(10-05-2013 07:35 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 07:33 PM)Chi-Town Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 07:31 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 07:19 PM)mewes Wrote:  The first was switching to a prevent defense on UCF's last drive. Why do that our defense was outstanding and you give first downs away. Second why call a half back pass. UCF's[/b] defense was gassed. Why just why. Coaching lost that game.

We didn't go prevent, we were blitzing. Did you miss the pick that Bobby McClain dropped. That would have ended the game. It was uncontested. No excuse.

McCain was on the sideline since the first half, that was Ballintine with the drop.

Apologies. The announcer said McCain. But the drop was the game.

The announcer is HORRIBLE.

(10-05-2013 09:02 PM)ItsDude Wrote:  Looking back, it would have been fun to have Lynch throw it for 2 more plays...but the play was there...Hayes needed a little more loft on it, receiver was definitely open. The game was lost in my opinion in the 3rd quarter when UCF had it on their own 8 and threw that 30 yard pass where the guy was out of bounds. Watch as many replays as you need too....he was out of bounds. They score after that to tie it up 10-10....if we hold there, get field position and I doubt the game is in question after that...

I was sitting in the end zone, and I have to disagree he was not wide open by a long shot.

I do agree that we lost momentum and the game when the refs called that obviously out-of-bound play legal. That was a killer.

(10-05-2013 08:21 PM)Mempho Brendo Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 08:17 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 08:04 PM)Mempho Brendo Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 07:55 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 07:54 PM)Mempho Brendo Wrote:  Just wondering why Craft didn't get the call since he was a QB at times in high school. The receiver was absolutely wide open.

I must have been watching a different game.

You were. The three DB's were well behind, the ball was under thrown and bobbled into the air.

The defenders were 5 yards deep in the end zone which is 10 yards deep. So your wide open assumes alot.

His route was to the corner, not north&south.

How much real estate does the receiver have in the corner of the end zone? That's why he's not wide open even though he appears wide open. If I'm the secondary, I want you to throw that pass all day long. It is easy pickings. He may look wide open, but where is he going? Nowhere. He has no real estate. He can keep running, but what use does that do when you catch the ball 5 yards out of bounds. The pass, in order to be caught and not defended, has to be lofted over the back of the endzone so that the receiver can catch the with his toes in bounds. Any other place the ball gets thrown, short, or to the side of the end zone, and a defender has a play or position on the ball.

The play itself requires perfect timing, and defenders to bite and leave home thinking its a run. When that happens, the secondary leaves the end zone to meet the runner near the goal line. They didn't. Had they bit on the play, you would not have seen them jumping up for the ball. They would have been running backwards towards the back of the endzone.

When you stay at home, it doesn't mean you are pinned to the receiver. You stay in a location where you can react and defend any part of the area. That's what they did, no matter if the ball was short or not.

(10-05-2013 09:09 PM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 09:02 PM)ItsDude Wrote:  Looking back, it would have been fun to have Lynch throw it for 2 more plays...but the play was there...Hayes needed a little more loft on it, receiver was definitely open. The game was lost in my opinion in the 3rd quarter when UCF had it on their own 8 and threw that 30 yard pass where the guy was out of bounds. Watch as many replays as you need too....he was out of bounds. They score after that to tie it up 10-10....if we hold there, get field position and I doubt the game is in question after that...

I was sitting in the end zone, and I have to disagree he was not wide open by a long shot.

I do agree that we lost momentum and the game when the refs called that obviously out-of-bound play legal. That was a killer.

He was as open as you can be in a corner of the end zone which is about a three square yard area.

(10-05-2013 08:13 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 07:19 PM)mewes Wrote:  The first was switching to a prevent defense on UCF's last drive. Why do that our defense was outstanding and you give first downs away. Second why call a half back pass. UCF's[/b] defense was gassed. Why just why. Coaching lost that game.

Sounds like you have an agenda.

It kills me when someone voices their opinion and people say they have an agenda. Buy no i don't have an agenda just giving my opinion. Whether the receiver was open or not isn't the question. The question should be why was a 5'8 running back throwing the pass instead of a 6'6 qb who was hot. That the question that should be asked. The second question is why was our db's 15 yards of their mediocre wideouts. Basically giving away first downs on their last drive .

(10-05-2013 10:09 PM)mewes Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 08:13 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 07:19 PM)mewes Wrote:  The first was switching to a prevent defense on UCF's last drive. Why do that our defense was outstanding and you give first downs away. Second why call a half back pass. UCF's[/b] defense was gassed. Why just why. Coaching lost that game.

Sounds like you have an agenda.

It kills me when someone voices their opinion and people say they have an agenda. Buy no i don't have an agenda just giving my opinion. Whether the receiver was open or not isn't the question. The question should be why was a 5'8 running back throwing the pass instead of a 6'6 qb who was hot. That the question that should be asked. The second question is why was our db's 15 yards of their mediocre wideouts. Basically giving away first downs on their last drive .

We were blitzing during those plays, which left their receivers in man coverage. You play off in those situations. You are counting on the blitz getting to the quarterback quickly enough so that a timed route wont have time to develop. You have to protect against a long heave though, because the secondary that helps you out in those case aren't there. They are blitzing.

We blitzed a lot. And it worked most of the game. The one time it didn't was on the 4th down play in the 4th quarter. That sucked. But other than that, they had a horrible day in the air. And their quarterback got fairly beaten up as well.

I understand the concept of that defense but thing i don't understand is why do that. Those receivers couldn't get open against our db's all day. But on the last drive we switch and start giving them room. you can explain this to me until your blue in the face but i don't understand why you change your defense from what's been working great all game. I also don't understand why even your offense drives down the field. Your on the 6 yard line with 40 seconds and one timeout against a gassed UCF defense and instead of punching it in you get cute and call a running back pass.

(10-05-2013 10:09 PM)mewes Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 08:13 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 07:19 PM)mewes Wrote:  The first was switching to a prevent defense on UCF's last drive. Why do that our defense was outstanding and you give first downs away. Second why call a half back pass. UCF's[/b] defense was gassed. Why just why. Coaching lost that game.

Sounds like you have an agenda.

It kills me when someone voices their opinion and people say they have an agenda. Buy no i don't have an agenda just giving my opinion. Whether the receiver was open or not isn't the question. The question should be why was a 5'8 running back throwing the pass instead of a 6'6 qb who was hot. That the question that should be asked. The second question is why was our db's 15 yards of their mediocre wideouts. Basically giving away first downs on their last drive .

I totally agree with you.

(10-05-2013 07:20 PM)gotigersgo111111 Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 07:19 PM)mewes Wrote:  The first was switching to a prevent defense on UCF's last drive. Why do that our defense was outstanding and you give first downs away. Second why call a half back pass. UCF's[/b] defense was gassed. Why just why. Coaching lost that game.

I have to disagree, If bad calls were good calls we wouldnt been in that situation

What????

(10-05-2013 07:27 PM)Tigerbythetail Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 07:19 PM)mewes Wrote:  The first was switching to a prevent defense on UCF's last drive. Why do that our defense was outstanding and you give first downs away. Second why call a half back pass. UCF's[/b] defense was gassed. Why just why. Coaching lost that game.

You left out the primary reason, horrendous officiating. Coaching didn't lose this game, they called a great game. The team made their share of mistakes, and we didn't do ourselves any favors with little margin for error. Blaming the coaches is bogus.

Blaming the refs is also bogus. They didn't cost us the game. Playing soft coverage on their last drive cost us. Throwing an interception at the end of the first half cost us. Letting a rb throw the ball at the end of the game cost us. Missing interceptions cost us. Not the refs.

(10-05-2013 07:30 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  There's about 5 reasons for the loss, excluding the refs.

A "prevent" defense was not one of them, since we did not utilize a prevent defense.

The "poor coaching" was not either. The last play call wasn't the issue, it was that the play was well covered, and poorly executed after that. If the secondary bites on the run, that play is wide open. They didn't bite. The next option on that play was not to throw an interception. The execution was bad, not the play calling. Those weird play calls were the reason we went up early in the game, and we in position to win the game until the refs took over.

Buy why are you asking a rb to make that throw. At the end of the game in a crucial situation. He hasn't thrown the ball in a game in over a year.