(10-04-2013 11:05 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

Quote:You might not be familiar with the actions of Gulfport City Council, which publically attacked its LGBT citizens in a city ordinance a while back.

How while back? Had to be after I left the state, cause I don't remember that one right off.. Heck, I remember when Gulfport used to have a theatre that would have advertisements for their XXX movies.. right on Hwy 49/25th avenue at one point (don't remember the name of it though, as I was a kid at the time.)

Quote:You probably heard nothing of the case of the murder of a Gay man leaving Joey's (a gay bar no longer in business - but I'm actually glad that the Gillich's don't run a bar 'serving' our community - if you know their history, you'd probably understand why) as well that was not investigated properly by the Harrison County authorities (and who also refused to consider hate crimes treatment).

Uhm.. yep, I did know about this one and in fact, it was because of the Gillich's "other industry" that got the gay man killed, it was not an 'anti-Gay' crime. (And yes, I believe the Harrison County authorities covered it up (I believe Leroy Hobbs was the sheriff at the time, and from the stories my dad said he heard (but wouldn't share) when he was a jailer for Harrison County, basically told me that Hobbs was the most "buyable" sheriff in history :) )

in fact, Tom, I used to work for one of the families that were close friends to people with the Gillich name. (not in that set of industry, but I found out they were involved sometime after I started working for their dad), and I know well about the Gililch "businesses' (it's amazing what "family" friends will tell you when they've had a few too many at 2 a.m in the morning, - nothing that would have gotten me killed, but enough to learn about the Gillich family.).

Quote:Gene Taylor, the worst excuse for a Democrat since George Wallace, was a Bay St Louisan.

WHY? Because he didnt' toe the line of the Democratic National Power brokers?

Quote:They're also small and have very few services for the community.

See, this is where you're losing the argument tom. You're wanting to FORCE the community to define what businesses work there. Let the market place decide what works.

Why should they HAVE to have outlets for the community?

But if the market decides otherwise, there were a couple of gay-oriented nightspots in Gulfport as well (that i remember from my time) that went under, not because of the city, but because NOBODY (not even the G&L community) wanted to go there. (of course, one of those locations had about 5 bar attempts that all failed, and in another the old Cadillac Cafe also bombed later.) Gulfport wouldn't let the business open elsewhere because they were trying to rebuild in that area instead of allowing for more sprawl.)

If they're BLOCKING the business (as I stated in the other thread) for discriminatory reasons (again, prove it's discriminatory, and not because it's a dangerous area.), then I'll agree with you 100%. For instance, right before I left the state (or it was on my first trip back down after moving), Moss Point shot down a strip club idea, the owners kept trying to say it was discriminatory (dont' remember if they were claiming racial discrimination or something else?), Moss Point pointed out: "There's an elementary school 1 block away from where you want to build!" (Guess who won the argument.. and it wasn't the owners).

But if you're just mad that not enough G&L friendly business are open, then go start one.. You obviously think there's a market for it.

As for the Moss point school, I will admit, the SPLC is NOT high on my list of recommended sources of listening to who is and who isn't tolerant (SPLC is as intolerant to certain groups as they claim their targets are), so I'll take that with a grain of salt.

You and I will have to disagree regarding the SPLC. Here's a news flash. They make money when they win lawsuits (as the loser usually has to pay their legal costs, especially if they win against a state entity on a civil liberties case). As far as their labeling of groups as 'hate groups', you are welcome to let me know which group named by SPLC as a hate group is mislabeled and I can give you ample reason to show cause as to why they were included in that list (the FRC and AFA are included with justifiable cause, but not all groups opposed to marriage equality are on the list).

My point about Gene Taylor was to show that on the Coast, even the Democrats aren't considered to be Gay supportive (or in Taylor's case - even Gay neutral - Taylor is gone and as far as I'm concerned - good riddance). My point about the lack of services is to show that the Coast might not be as great as you think. The problem with the Coast is the LGBT population just leaves town pretty much as soon as they can. If you go to the one bar on the Coast you'll see a largish population of persons under the age of 25, and then a huge gap in the age group until you see people in their 40's. Where are the rest? Gone somewhere else. People from there leave, and if they move there from somewhere else, they generally don't stay.

As far as opening a bar, after seeing how the authorities treat LGBT persons in Mississippi who try to open one, I'd think long and hard before I spent any time and effort doing so.

If I had to live in Miss, I'd probably choose the Coast, but that doesn't mean that things are great there. Its just marginally better there than elsewhere in the state.

Quote:). My point about the lack of services is to show that the Coast might not be as great as you think.

Again, Tom.. so you're saying it's not great because "they dont' have business that specifically cater to the G&L community?" Heck, you could say that about thousands of areas in any city/area. (well, except probably New Orleans :) ). I can pick various regions in pretty much any state/area and say that.

again, you're basically using the "FORCE the community to define what businesses work there." instead of letting the market place decide what works.

(10-04-2013 06:07 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(10-03-2013 08:56 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(10-03-2013 07:44 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  I have been telling you for years how things are down in Mississippi but am often rebutted by Rebel and his ilk. A cursory view of the Spin Rooms 1st page or 2 will yield more than one example of Mississippi's back water mentality.

Every state has their inbreds. MS no different. But you should not paint the entire population of a state with a broad brush. I guarantee whatever state you call home, there are stories about neanderthals from there too.

I live in Mississippi

So. The statement still stands. There are neanderthals in EVERY state.
BTW Go State! Will need plenty of cowbell tomorrow.
Some others of us have spent time in MS too.

(10-04-2013 05:05 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

Quote:). My point about the lack of services is to show that the Coast might not be as great as you think.

Again, Tom.. so you're saying it's not great because "they dont' have business that specifically cater to the G&L community?" Heck, you could say that about thousands of areas in any city/area. (well, except probably New Orleans :) ). I can pick various regions in pretty much any state/area and say that.

again, you're basically using the "FORCE the community to define what businesses work there." instead of letting the market place decide what works.

In Mississippi, the marketplace doesn't decide, as LGBT bars are prohibited (illegally) from opening in much of the state. On the coast, the lack of demand for LGBT facilities is the result of the fact that the Coast is sufficiently repellant to most LGBT persons that they just leave.

Its not just New Orleans that Mississippi looks poorly in comparison with.

Alabama has openly Gay elected officials (multiple - and even one in the state legislature). Mobile has 4 LGBT bars, Birmingham and Huntsville both have multiples, and even Montgomery/Dothan/Tuscaloosa have places for us. No one in Alabama has been denied a protest permit because they are Gay. Several cities have Gay Pride festivals. When hate crimes unfortunately occur, the response is to prosecute them and to use hate crimes laws if warranted. As a result, LGBT persons in Alabama, unlike those in Mississippi can actually trust the police to actually protect the safety of LGBT crime victims. None of that can be said about Mississippi. In Mississippi, not only are there zero out elected LGBT officials, Mississippi has NEVER elected any LGBT person to anything (in fact, the last time a credible LGBT candidate ran in Mississippi, he ended up getting whacked during the election campaign).

Alabama isn't perfect (like Mississippi we have a problem with judges legislating anti-Gay animus from the bench - both Baldwin Co. Ala and George Co. Miss have had problems with that), but its light years ahead of Mississippi. Arkansas also is much better than Mississippi on just about every equality metric.

Somebody has to be last in LGBT acceptance, and that state is Mississippi. But not only is Mississippi last, it appears to be moving further away from acceptance while other states are moving towards more humane treatment of its' LGBT population. The gap between Mississippi and everywhere else appears to be widening. Nobody is following Mississippi, and for good reason. The rest of the nation is moving away from state sponsored bigotry, nullification of basic human civil liberty laws, and state persecution of LGBT persons.

Mississippi wasn't always last. 15 years ago, it was Alabama. But the people in Alabama became embarrassed by their states reputation, recognized that it wasn't outsiders but their own behavior that was the genesis of the problem, and actually demanded change.

No evidence against Ole Miss players
http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...obic-slurs

Leave it liberal student newspapers to run bogus stories.

If this had happened on any other campus, it would be a non story.

(10-04-2013 06:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 05:05 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

Quote:). My point about the lack of services is to show that the Coast might not be as great as you think.

Again, Tom.. so you're saying it's not great because "they dont' have business that specifically cater to the G&L community?" Heck, you could say that about thousands of areas in any city/area. (well, except probably New Orleans :) ). I can pick various regions in pretty much any state/area and say that.

again, you're basically using the "FORCE the community to define what businesses work there." instead of letting the market place decide what works.

In Mississippi, the marketplace doesn't decide, as LGBT bars are prohibited (illegally) from opening in much of the state. On the coast, the lack of demand for LGBT facilities is the result of the fact that the Coast is sufficiently repellant to most LGBT persons that they just leave.

Its not just New Orleans that Mississippi looks poorly in comparison with.

Alabama has openly Gay elected officials (multiple - and even one in the state legislature). Mobile has 4 LGBT bars, Birmingham and Huntsville both have multiples, and even Montgomery/Dothan/Tuscaloosa have places for us. No one in Alabama has been denied a protest permit because they are Gay. Several cities have Gay Pride festivals. When hate crimes unfortunately occur, the response is to prosecute them and to use hate crimes laws if warranted. As a result, LGBT persons in Alabama, unlike those in Mississippi can actually trust the police to actually protect the safety of LGBT crime victims. None of that can be said about Mississippi. In Mississippi, not only are there zero out elected LGBT officials, Mississippi has NEVER elected any LGBT person to anything (in fact, the last time a credible LGBT candidate ran in Mississippi, he ended up getting whacked during the election campaign).

Alabama isn't perfect (like Mississippi we have a problem with judges legislating anti-Gay animus from the bench - both Baldwin Co. Ala and George Co. Miss have had problems with that), but its light years ahead of Mississippi. Arkansas also is much better than Mississippi on just about every equality metric.

Somebody has to be last in LGBT acceptance, and that state is Mississippi. But not only is Mississippi last, it appears to be moving further away from acceptance while other states are moving towards more humane treatment of its' LGBT population. The gap between Mississippi and everywhere else appears to be widening. Nobody is following Mississippi, and for good reason. The rest of the nation is moving away from state sponsored bigotry, nullification of basic human civil liberty laws, and state persecution of LGBT persons.

Mississippi wasn't always last. 15 years ago, it was Alabama. But the people in Alabama became embarrassed by their states reputation, recognized that it wasn't outsiders but their own behavior that was the genesis of the problem, and actually demanded change.

It's pretty sad how white liberals like yourself think the answer is to reward people based on race, gender and sexuality, not for merit or achievement ---- and only because it alleviates some kind of misplaced guilt, presenting the illusion you are "righting" a wrong. People like you never figure out that it is you who keep racism and bigotry in the forefront. It makes perfect sense when you think about it. The white left is descended from the southern democrat klan of the early 1900s. Race and bigotry is deeply rooted in this mindset.

The left derives it's power from keeping people dependent.
They do not want empower people to succeed on their own because once people succeed they are no longer dependent.

One of the methods to create and foment dependency is to segment the populace into subgroups i.e. by race, creed, sex, sexual orientation. The next step is to convince those segments that there is some larger power working at keeping them down ie, bigots, rich people, republicans, homophobes, etc. This absolves those who are unsuccessful/dependent of their personal responsibility for their situation, gives them somewhere to place their blame, and convinces them that they can not succeed on their own and need government to do/provide for them.

Think about the sub groups of the left...fits doesn't it?
It's straight from "Rules for Radicals."
Sad thing is that these groups are being totally used and they don't/can't see it.

(10-05-2013 09:50 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  The left derives it's power from keeping people dependent. They do not want empower people to succeed on their own because once people succeed they are no longer dependent.

One of the methods to create and foment dependency is to segment the populace into subgroups i.e. by race, creed, sex, sexual orientation. The next step is to convince those segments that there is some larger power working at keeping them down ie, bigots, rich people, republicans, homophobes, etc. This absolves those who are unsuccessful/dependent of their personal responsibility for their situation, gives them somewhere to place their blame and convinces them teat they can not succeed on their own and need government to do/provide for them.

Think about the sub groups of the left...fits doesn't it? It's straight from "Rules for Radicals."
Sad thing is that these groups are being totally used and they don't/can't see it.

I agree with you 100 percent. This is the truth about liberalism.

(10-05-2013 09:00 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  If this had happened on any other campus, it would be a non story.

Not true. Would have been a story had it happened at Mississippi State or Southern Miss as well.

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(10-05-2013 09:36 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 09:00 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  If this had happened on any other campus, it would be a non story.

Not true. Would have been a story had it happened at Mississippi State or Southern Miss as well.

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lol

In Mississippi all of their class is low and most of their taste is in their mouths

(10-06-2013 06:23 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  In Mississippi all of their class is low and most of their taste is in their mouths

Oh, that is low.