(10-04-2013 08:07 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 06:07 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(10-03-2013 08:56 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(10-03-2013 07:44 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  I have been telling you for years how things are down in Mississippi but am often rebutted by Rebel and his ilk. A cursory view of the Spin Rooms 1st page or 2 will yield more than one example of Mississippi's back water mentality.

Every state has their inbreds. MS no different. But you should not paint the entire population of a state with a broad brush. I guarantee whatever state you call home, there are stories about neanderthals from there too.

I live in Mississippi

Bulls---, Peanut... if you're so "embarassed" by Mississippi, move out.

I lived in Mississippi for 30+ years And the area of the state I lived in had it's good and it's bad. I've lived around people that were bigots in every way shape and form, but I lived around gays, blacks, and other demographic groups of people who were just as welcome in those communities as well.

So quit trying to paint my former home as a complete backwater state, when I could probably go to each and everyone of your states and find the same mix of tolerant and intolerant acts if I went looking for them.

If you go looking for only the intolerant, you're going to find the intolerant.

The problem I have with Mississippi, is that the cases seem to be worse and more blatent than elsewhere. Its a culture of impunity and nullification. Again, as I said in the other thread this week about NE Mississippi (on a case much more important than this one) is that those in Mississippi that don't agree with this type of behavior tend to be really, really silent. What I see, and have seen historically about Mississippi is that change always comes from outside pressure and then sullen compliance rather than real change.

This doesn't shock me. I expect that the reaction of most Mississippians to this story is not embarrassment at the actions of the players and demands to try to ensure that true remorse is portrayed and actions taken to ensure that it doesn't happen again, but rather a lockstep defense of Mississippi's behavior (regardless of how bad the facts really are), a refusal to admit there is a problem, a refusal to do anything about it, and fury at those that dare point out the problem.

When bad things happen elsewhere, usually there are calls from within for change. I haven't seen that here, and I won't see it in this case, in any significant way.

I lived within 15 miles of Mississippi for over 25 years. I look forward to the day when Mississippi finally grows up. I'm not seeing it happen anytime soon.

(10-04-2013 09:08 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 09:05 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 09:01 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 08:52 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Third, the GayBLT community forcing their ways upon us.

Odd. I haven't had anyone gay force their ways on me.

Because you're too old.

Heh, maybe, but I wasn't born this old. So, you're saying, "Get your asses back in the closet!"?

Unless you really believe there are more gay people around than there used to be.

Yes, I really believe this. Just go in public anywhere. They are double digit percentages in the 15-21 age group. This is a direct result of free, widespread pornography and a clever marketing campaign.

(10-04-2013 09:08 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 09:05 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 09:01 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 08:52 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Third, the GayBLT community forcing their ways upon us.

Odd. I haven't had anyone gay force their ways on me.

Because you're too old.

Heh, maybe, but I wasn't born this old. So, you're saying, "Get your asses back in the closet!"?

Unless you really believe there are more gay people around than there used to be.

I do, because in almost every reality tv show that sucks in teens, they portray homosexuality to be a new fad and try to force everyone to be okay with it. If one person disagrees with gay marriage or accepting gays into the Boy Scouts, it makes national news and insults those who may be offended by it. So yes, they try to force us to accept everything they want. If we don't accept it, we're called bigots, and in many cases, we're called racists which doesn't even make sense.

(10-04-2013 08:07 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 06:07 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(10-03-2013 08:56 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(10-03-2013 07:44 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  I have been telling you for years how things are down in Mississippi but am often rebutted by Rebel and his ilk. A cursory view of the Spin Rooms 1st page or 2 will yield more than one example of Mississippi's back water mentality.

Every state has their inbreds. MS no different. But you should not paint the entire population of a state with a broad brush. I guarantee whatever state you call home, there are stories about neanderthals from there too.

I live in Mississippi

Bulls---, Peanut... if you're so "embarassed" by Mississippi, move out.

I lived in Mississippi for 30+ years And the area of the state I lived in had it's good and it's bad. I've lived around people that were bigots in every way shape and form, but I lived around gays, blacks, and other demographic groups of people who were just as welcome in those communities as well.

So quit trying to paint my former home as a complete backwater state, when I could probably go to each and everyone of your states and find the same mix of tolerant and intolerant acts if I went looking for them.

If you go looking for only the intolerant, you're going to find the intolerant.

Please help me find the tolerant about Mississippi, especially when it comes to its' LGBT population. I'm not trying to be an ass here, but seriously looking for you to help point me out some better stories about Mississippi. I'm aware of former governor Musgrove and the Episcopal Bishop in Jackson. But outside of that....I really haven't seen much other than stories by defensive Mississippians talking about their pet Gay friend.

On the other hand, in the 2010's, Mississippi has, illegally barred its LGBT citizens from peaceful protest and assembly in their state capitol, barred its citizens from having a venue controlled by itself in an entire portion of the state, had a sheriff's deputy fired for being outed as Gay as a result of being the victim of a crime, had an entire community of ADULTS bully a child because she came out as a Lesbian, had a public school system deny an education to a child because she is transgendered, had the state of Mississippi refuse to rent a facility to Gay persons that it rents to straight persons, and had the state government insult and discriminate against soldiers who are LGBT. We're looking at a picture of events that people in even Alabama wouldn't put up with.

Most of these stories generate far more ink outside of Mississippi than inside of it. Why is that?

I'm sure the 16 members of the Mississippi Unitarian Church are upset over this, as is the Bishop of the Episcopal Church and a Democrat who no longer holds elective office all feel that whats going on is wrong. But where are the calls for action from within Mississippi? Crickets.

(10-04-2013 09:23 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 09:08 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 09:05 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 09:01 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 08:52 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Third, the GayBLT community forcing their ways upon us.

Odd. I haven't had anyone gay force their ways on me.

Because you're too old.

Heh, maybe, but I wasn't born this old. So, you're saying, "Get your asses back in the closet!"?

Unless you really believe there are more gay people around than there used to be.

I do, because in almost every reality tv show that sucks in teens, they portray homosexuality to be a new fad and try to force everyone to be okay with it. If one person disagrees with gay marriage or accepting gays into the Boy Scouts, it makes national news and insults those who may be offended by it. So yes, they try to force us to accept everything they want. If we don't accept it, we're called bigots, and in many cases, we're called racists which doesn't even make sense.

well said

(10-04-2013 09:14 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 08:07 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 06:07 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(10-03-2013 08:56 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(10-03-2013 07:44 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  I have been telling you for years how things are down in Mississippi but am often rebutted by Rebel and his ilk. A cursory view of the Spin Rooms 1st page or 2 will yield more than one example of Mississippi's back water mentality.

Every state has their inbreds. MS no different. But you should not paint the entire population of a state with a broad brush. I guarantee whatever state you call home, there are stories about neanderthals from there too.

I live in Mississippi

Bulls---, Peanut... if you're so "embarassed" by Mississippi, move out.

I lived in Mississippi for 30+ years And the area of the state I lived in had it's good and it's bad. I've lived around people that were bigots in every way shape and form, but I lived around gays, blacks, and other demographic groups of people who were just as welcome in those communities as well.

So quit trying to paint my former home as a complete backwater state, when I could probably go to each and everyone of your states and find the same mix of tolerant and intolerant acts if I went looking for them.

If you go looking for only the intolerant, you're going to find the intolerant.

The problem I have with Mississippi, is that the cases seem to be worse and more blatent than elsewhere. Its a culture of impunity and nullification. Again, as I said in the other thread this week about NE Mississippi (on a case much more important than this one) is that those in Mississippi that don't agree with this type of behavior tend to be really, really silent. What I see, and have seen historically about Mississippi is that change always comes from outside pressure and then sullen compliance rather than real change.

This doesn't shock me. I expect that the reaction of most Mississippians to this story is not embarrassment at the actions of the players and demands to try to ensure that true remorse is portrayed and actions taken to ensure that it doesn't happen again, but rather a lockstep defense of Mississippi's behavior (regardless of how bad the facts really are), a refusal to admit there is a problem, a refusal to do anything about it, and fury at those that dare point out the problem.

When bad things happen elsewhere, usually there are calls from within for change. I haven't seen that here, and I won't see it in this case, in any significant way.

I lived within 15 miles of Mississippi for over 25 years. I look forward to the day when Mississippi finally grows up. I'm not seeing it happen anytime soon.

This is usually when we, who don't agree with something brought up by the liberals, are told to either deal with it or stay out. If they don't want to "grow up" anytime soon then that's their choice and those who don't like it can stay out.

I don't like San Francisco because of their influx of gay pride parades so I stay out, and the same with any other place like that. Perhaps those who are offended by MS should stay out until further notice.

(10-04-2013 09:18 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 09:08 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 09:05 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 09:01 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 08:52 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Third, the GayBLT community forcing their ways upon us.

Odd. I haven't had anyone gay force their ways on me.

Because you're too old.

Heh, maybe, but I wasn't born this old. So, you're saying, "Get your asses back in the closet!"?

Unless you really believe there are more gay people around than there used to be.

Yes, I really believe this. Just go in public anywhere. They are double digit percentages in the 15-21 age group. This is a direct result of free, widespread pornography and a clever marketing campaign.

So, that they're more visible must necessarily mean there are actually more of them. Never mind that about a generation ago, it could be life-destroying to have it discovered.

(10-04-2013 09:24 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Please help me find the tolerant about Mississippi, especially when it comes to its' LGBT population. I'm not trying to be an ass here, but seriously looking for you to help point me out some better stories about Mississippi. I'm aware of former governor Musgrove and the Episcopal Bishop in Jackson. But outside of that....I really haven't seen much other than stories by defensive Mississippians talking about their pet Gay friend.

Try the coast, Tom. Biloxi, Moss Point, even the "highly Catholic area" of Bay St. Louis is definitely among the less-discriminating areas. I think it was Bay St. Louis (or maybe it was Moss Point?) that used to claim to have one of the larger G&L communities (in terms of % of population) of Mississippi cities? Again, you'll get intolerant people everywhere you go. You and Peanut just seem to want to go out of the way to point out the smaller percentage of intolerant people and label an entire group because of those people?

Quote:but seriously looking for you to help point me out some better stories about Mississippi.

So let me get this straight.. you want "high-profile" news where "Hey, everyone here is allowed to come into a business" and nothing out-of-the-ordinary happens? That's news?

This thread should be renamed the cry baby thread.

(10-04-2013 09:36 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 09:18 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 09:08 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 09:05 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 09:01 AM)Smaug Wrote:  Odd. I haven't had anyone gay force their ways on me.

Because you're too old.

Heh, maybe, but I wasn't born this old. So, you're saying, "Get your asses back in the closet!"?

Unless you really believe there are more gay people around than there used to be.

Yes, I really believe this. Just go in public anywhere. They are double digit percentages in the 15-21 age group. This is a direct result of free, widespread pornography and a clever marketing campaign.

So, that they're more visible must necessarily mean there are actually more of them. Never mind that about a generation ago, it could be life-destroying to have it discovered.

You're missing the big picture Smaug.

I get the bigger picture.

I believe in live and let live.

(10-04-2013 10:02 AM)Smaug Wrote:  I get the bigger picture.

I believe in live and let live.

So do I, but don't come in here and try to change everything to fit your own standards and acceptance. What's good for you may not be good for others. If you want your own club, form your own club. If you want a tv show dedicated to you, get a tv show dedicated to you. If you want to be married for beneficial reasons, fight to have the law of your civil union changed.

(10-04-2013 09:37 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 09:24 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Please help me find the tolerant about Mississippi, especially when it comes to its' LGBT population. I'm not trying to be an ass here, but seriously looking for you to help point me out some better stories about Mississippi. I'm aware of former governor Musgrove and the Episcopal Bishop in Jackson. But outside of that....I really haven't seen much other than stories by defensive Mississippians talking about their pet Gay friend.

Try the coast, Tom. Biloxi, Moss Point, even the "highly Catholic area" of Bay St. Louis is definitely among the less-discriminating areas. I think it was Bay St. Louis (or maybe it was Moss Point?) that used to claim to have one of the larger G&L communities (in terms of % of population) of Mississippi cities? Again, you'll get intolerant people everywhere you go. You and Peanut just seem to want to go out of the way to point out the smaller percentage of intolerant people and label an entire group because of those people?

Quote:but seriously looking for you to help point me out some better stories about Mississippi.

So let me get this straight.. you want "high-profile" news where "Hey, everyone here is allowed to come into a business" and nothing out-of-the-ordinary happens? That's news?

I'm from Mobile. I'm quite familiar with the Coast. The 350,000 people on the coast have exactly 1 gay venue. The Democrat who represented the district was as homophobic as the worst Republicans are. Gene Taylor, the worst excuse for a Democrat since George Wallace, was a Bay St Louisan.

You might not be familiar with the actions of Gulfport City Council, which publically attacked its LGBT citizens in a city ordinance a while back. You probably heard nothing of the case of the murder of a Gay man leaving Joey's (a gay bar no longer in business - but I'm actually glad that the Gillich's don't run a bar 'serving' our community - if you know their history, you'd probably understand why) as well that was not investigated properly by the Harrison County authorities (and who also refused to consider hate crimes treatment).

While I would agree with you that south of 1-10 isn't as bad as the rest of Mississippi, its hardly tolerant, IMHO.

Regarding, Moss Point, there appears to be a problem in the schools, that doesn't seem to be resolved at this point. Here's a news link from the Pascagoula paper. http://blog.gulflive.com/mississippi-pre..._harr.html

Bay St Louis and Ocean Springs are 'better' than the rest of the state. But they're not exactly tolerant either. They're also small and have very few services for the community.

But you are correct that south of 1-10 is better than the rest of the state. But that's a pretty low bar to exceed.

(10-04-2013 10:28 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 09:37 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 09:24 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Please help me find the tolerant about Mississippi, especially when it comes to its' LGBT population. I'm not trying to be an ass here, but seriously looking for you to help point me out some better stories about Mississippi. I'm aware of former governor Musgrove and the Episcopal Bishop in Jackson. But outside of that....I really haven't seen much other than stories by defensive Mississippians talking about their pet Gay friend.

Try the coast, Tom. Biloxi, Moss Point, even the "highly Catholic area" of Bay St. Louis is definitely among the less-discriminating areas. I think it was Bay St. Louis (or maybe it was Moss Point?) that used to claim to have one of the larger G&L communities (in terms of % of population) of Mississippi cities? Again, you'll get intolerant people everywhere you go. You and Peanut just seem to want to go out of the way to point out the smaller percentage of intolerant people and label an entire group because of those people?

Quote:but seriously looking for you to help point me out some better stories about Mississippi.

So let me get this straight.. you want "high-profile" news where "Hey, everyone here is allowed to come into a business" and nothing out-of-the-ordinary happens? That's news?

I'm from Mobile. I'm quite familiar with the Coast. The 350,000 people on the coast have exactly 1 gay venue. The Democrat who represented the district was as homophobic as the worst Republicans are. Gene Taylor, the worst excuse for a Democrat since George Wallace, was a Bay St Louisan.

You might not be familiar with the actions of Gulfport City Council, which publically attacked its LGBT citizens in a city ordinance a while back. You probably heard nothing of the case of the murder of a Gay man leaving Joey's (a gay bar no longer in business - but I'm actually glad that the Gillich's don't run a bar 'serving' our community - if you know their history, you'd probably understand why) as well that was not investigated properly by the Harrison County authorities (and who also refused to consider hate crimes treatment).

While I would agree with you that south of 1-10 isn't as bad as the rest of Mississippi, its hardly tolerant, IMHO.

Regarding, Moss Point, there appears to be a problem in the schools, that doesn't seem to be resolved at this point. Here's a news link from the Pascagoula paper. http://blog.gulflive.com/mississippi-pre..._harr.html

Bay St Louis and Ocean Springs are 'better' than the rest of the state. But they're not exactly tolerant either. They're also small and have very few services for the community.

But you are correct that south of 1-10 is better than the rest of the state. But that's a pretty low bar to exceed.

No one cares. You're not special. So sorry.

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

(10-04-2013 10:12 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 10:02 AM)Smaug Wrote:  I get the bigger picture.

I believe in live and let live.

So do I, but don't come in here and try to change everything to fit your own standards and acceptance. What's good for you may not be good for others. If you want your own club, form your own club. If you want a tv show dedicated to you, get a tv show dedicated to you. If you want to be married for beneficial reasons, fight to have the law of your civil union changed.

What exactly has been foisted upon you?

(10-04-2013 10:54 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 10:12 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 10:02 AM)Smaug Wrote:  I get the bigger picture.

I believe in live and let live.

So do I, but don't come in here and try to change everything to fit your own standards and acceptance. What's good for you may not be good for others. If you want your own club, form your own club. If you want a tv show dedicated to you, get a tv show dedicated to you. If you want to be married for beneficial reasons, fight to have the law of your civil union changed.

What exactly has been foisted upon you?

The 'gentleman' from LSU asks us to form our own club...well how can we do that if we are barred by the state from doing so? (see other active thread on LGBT persons in Miss - about a city denying an operating permit to a Lesbian to operate a club, simply because that club would serve the LGBT community).

Quote:You might not be familiar with the actions of Gulfport City Council, which publically attacked its LGBT citizens in a city ordinance a while back.

How while back? Had to be after I left the state, cause I don't remember that one right off.. Heck, I remember when Gulfport used to have a theatre that would have advertisements for their XXX movies.. right on Hwy 49/25th avenue at one point (don't remember the name of it though, as I was a kid at the time.)

Quote:You probably heard nothing of the case of the murder of a Gay man leaving Joey's (a gay bar no longer in business - but I'm actually glad that the Gillich's don't run a bar 'serving' our community - if you know their history, you'd probably understand why) as well that was not investigated properly by the Harrison County authorities (and who also refused to consider hate crimes treatment).

Uhm.. yep, I did know about this one and in fact, it was because of the Gillich's "other industry" that got the gay man killed, it was not an 'anti-Gay' crime. (And yes, I believe the Harrison County authorities covered it up (I believe Leroy Hobbs was the sheriff at the time, and from the stories my dad said he heard (but wouldn't share) when he was a jailer for Harrison County, basically told me that Hobbs was the most "buyable" sheriff in history :) )

in fact, Tom, I used to work for one of the families that were close friends to people with the Gillich name. (not in that set of industry, but I found out they were involved sometime after I started working for their dad), and I know well about the Gililch "businesses' (it's amazing what "family" friends will tell you when they've had a few too many at 2 a.m in the morning, - nothing that would have gotten me killed, but enough to learn about the Gillich family.).

Quote:Gene Taylor, the worst excuse for a Democrat since George Wallace, was a Bay St Louisan.

WHY? Because he didnt' toe the line of the Democratic National Power brokers?

Quote:They're also small and have very few services for the community.

See, this is where you're losing the argument tom. You're wanting to FORCE the community to define what businesses work there. Let the market place decide what works.

Why should they HAVE to have outlets for the community?

But if the market decides otherwise, there were a couple of gay-oriented nightspots in Gulfport as well (that i remember from my time) that went under, not because of the city, but because NOBODY (not even the G&L community) wanted to go there. (of course, one of those locations had about 5 bar attempts that all failed, and in another the old Cadillac Cafe also bombed later.) Gulfport wouldn't let the business open elsewhere because they were trying to rebuild in that area instead of allowing for more sprawl.)

If they're BLOCKING the business (as I stated in the other thread) for discriminatory reasons (again, prove it's discriminatory, and not because it's a dangerous area.), then I'll agree with you 100%. For instance, right before I left the state (or it was on my first trip back down after moving), Moss Point shot down a strip club idea, the owners kept trying to say it was discriminatory (dont' remember if they were claiming racial discrimination or something else?), Moss Point pointed out: "There's an elementary school 1 block away from where you want to build!" (Guess who won the argument.. and it wasn't the owners).

But if you're just mad that not enough G&L friendly business are open, then go start one.. You obviously think there's a market for it.

As for the Moss point school, I will admit, the SPLC is NOT high on my list of recommended sources of listening to who is and who isn't tolerant (SPLC is as intolerant to certain groups as they claim their targets are), so I'll take that with a grain of salt.

(10-04-2013 10:59 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 10:54 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 10:12 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 10:02 AM)Smaug Wrote:  I get the bigger picture.

I believe in live and let live.

So do I, but don't come in here and try to change everything to fit your own standards and acceptance. What's good for you may not be good for others. If you want your own club, form your own club. If you want a tv show dedicated to you, get a tv show dedicated to you. If you want to be married for beneficial reasons, fight to have the law of your civil union changed.

What exactly has been foisted upon you?

The 'gentleman' from LSU asks us to form our own club...well how can we do that if we are barred by the state from doing so? (see other active thread on LGBT persons in Miss - about a city denying an operating permit to a Lesbian to operate a club, simply because that club would serve the LGBT community).

Why do gays insist on "equal treatment" then segregate themselves every chance they get?

No one cares.

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

(10-04-2013 10:54 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 10:12 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 10:02 AM)Smaug Wrote:  I get the bigger picture.

I believe in live and let live.

So do I, but don't come in here and try to change everything to fit your own standards and acceptance. What's good for you may not be good for others. If you want your own club, form your own club. If you want a tv show dedicated to you, get a tv show dedicated to you. If you want to be married for beneficial reasons, fight to have the law of your civil union changed.

What exactly has been foisted upon you?

It's not just me, it's America.

Gay activists attempt to humiliate and politically destroy anyone who dares even criticize their agenda. Meanwhile, the MSM casts us who believe marriage should remain between one man and one woman as the aggressors, as hate-filled villains.

Despicably, while we were not looking, gay activists sneaked their agenda in the back doors of our elementary schools, indoctrinating our kids early. Unquestionably, lack of access to your child for indoctrination contributes to the Left's hatred for home schools and their relentless attempts to close them down.

Here is another example of homosexual activists' in-your-face, aggressive indoctrination of our kids. A Massachusetts charter school, grades 7-12, will host a production of the play "The Most Fabulous Story Ever Told," a retelling of the biblical story of Genesis with gay characters. Keep in mind, these schools have a cow when a kid brings a Bible or wears a t-shirt with religious, patriotic, or U.S. Military images. And yet, this school gleefully hosts a play which blasphemes Christianity while promoting homosexuality.

(10-04-2013 10:59 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 10:54 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 10:12 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 10:02 AM)Smaug Wrote:  I get the bigger picture.

I believe in live and let live.

So do I, but don't come in here and try to change everything to fit your own standards and acceptance. What's good for you may not be good for others. If you want your own club, form your own club. If you want a tv show dedicated to you, get a tv show dedicated to you. If you want to be married for beneficial reasons, fight to have the law of your civil union changed.

What exactly has been foisted upon you?

The 'gentleman' from LSU asks us to form our own club...well how can we do that if we are barred by the state from doing so? (see other active thread on LGBT persons in Miss - about a city denying an operating permit to a Lesbian to operate a club, simply because that club would serve the LGBT community).

Tom, I wasn't referring to gay bars.