I'm posting this as a comparison as to what it might take to get a top BCS assistant, this guy will be at the top of alot of lists. His current salary is listed versus English's current salary of $420,000.

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/artic...ck_check=1

(10-31-2013 04:45 PM)emu79 Wrote:  I'm posting this as a comparison as to what it might take to get a top BCS assistant, this guy will be at the top of alot of lists. His current salary is listed versus English's current salary of $420,000.

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/artic...ck_check=1

The guy makes over half a million dollars as an assistant college football coach. That's absurd.

Not really for example Cubit WMU's former coach is making nearly half a million at Illinois.

(11-01-2013 06:25 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Not really for example Cubit WMU's former coach is making nearly half a million at Illinois.

I most cases you get what you pay for..

If Englist would take a 50% pay cut I say keep him. Any new coach that we hire will demand the same salary as English gets now.

Why in the world would we keep Ron English? He has almost 5 years to manage this program and the results are worse than the man he replaced. Embrace the process has now become process the failure.

Either we upgrade the salary and get someone established who can bring the program back to respect or I agree with Steve we get a FCS or Div II coach. I think 350k-400k should get us a high quality FCS or Div II coach.

This is where i disagree with you guys, If you want to improve the football program, get someone with a proven track record. Why go with a coach that is unproven and take a chance of being wrong again, wasn't there a lesson learned from hiring a unproven coach (English)?This next hire need to be a statement hire that says we are committed to winning football and will do whatever it take to get it done.. I don't care if he is white, black, brown, blue, tall short, fat or small.. A big nonverbal statement need to be sent to the fans, Recuirts, community, MAC, alumni, and newbie like myself that yes we will win sooner then later.. The window is closing, the new coach that is hire will shape the program for next10 years... I am off my soapbox..

(11-01-2013 08:34 AM)emussuperfan Wrote:  If Englist would take a 50% pay cut I say keep him. Any new coach that we hire will demand the same salary as English gets now.

They are not that crazy or dumb!!!!

emussuperfan,

I pray they are not, please, please, please say it isn't so and will not happen?

(11-01-2013 08:40 AM)emu79 Wrote:  I think 350k-400k should get us a high quality FCS or Div II coach.

My big fear, and I tangently made it earlier in this thread, is that a good candidate can weigh a number of openings (as Brian Kelly did a decade ago) and we have a history of not being a place for HCs to thrive.

Posters can come up with wish list of candidates only to find out that a). they aren't giving up a winning FCS program for a losing FBS program b). IF they are interested in 'moving up' we'll have to COMPETE for his services with our schools. There is a growing list of non-BCS HC opening already, e.g., Miami, Florida Atlantic, etc.

Guys this WILL BE TOUGH!!

I think folks here COMPLETELY underestimate the difficulty of getting the next Brian Kelly.

P.S. I doubt any FCS HC ranked in the top 5 or 10 among FCS schools would consider EMU.

If one has a good job, keep it!!

Dear steve,
I disagree with your statement that a top ranked coach would not want to come to Eastern. Many coaches love a challenge, and Eastern would be a definite upgrade in salary, facilities, and bowl possibilities, for a FCS head coach. Most coaches want to move up the ladder, and Eastern regardless of recent records, would be a move up the ladder with a FCS coach.
I agree that it will be difficult, but we can get that kind of coach that I described above.

(11-01-2013 09:17 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear steve,
I disagree with your statement that a top ranked coach would not want to come to Eastern. Many coaches love a challenge, and Eastern would be a definite upgrade in salary, facilities, and bowl possibilities, for a FCS head coach. Most coaches want to move up the ladder, and Eastern regardless of recent records, would be a move up the ladder with a FCS coach.
I agree that it will be difficult, but we can get that kind of coach that I described above.

I'll try to get any info I can dig up on say Craig Bohl (NDSU), etc.

I don't think history has born out your statement.

Ball State hired a HC from a non-top FCS school, Elon. They didn't get a big name HC from a big name FCS school.

Most college FB 'experts' would consider going from NDSU to EMU a step down.

NDSU beat Kansas State this season. We've NEVER beaten a BCS school. Yep, never.

FCS is a lot more attractive then folks here are getting them credit.

(11-01-2013 09:17 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear steve,
I disagree with your statement that a top ranked coach would not want to come to Eastern. Many coaches love a challenge, and Eastern would be a definite upgrade in salary, facilities, and bowl possibilities, for a FCS head coach. Most coaches want to move up the ladder, and Eastern regardless of recent records, would be a move up the ladder with a FCS coach.
I agree that it will be difficult, but we can get that kind of coach that I described above.

I agree if they can't make it here they can't make it anywhere.

(11-01-2013 09:20 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(11-01-2013 09:17 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear steve,
I disagree with your statement that a top ranked coach would not want to come to Eastern. Many coaches love a challenge, and Eastern would be a definite upgrade in salary, facilities, and bowl possibilities, for a FCS head coach. Most coaches want to move up the ladder, and Eastern regardless of recent records, would be a move up the ladder with a FCS coach.
I agree that it will be difficult, but we can get that kind of coach that I described above.

I'll try to get any info I can dig up on say Craig Bohl (NDSU), etc.

I don't think history has born out your statement.

Ball State hired a HC from a non-top FCS school, Elon. They didn't get a big name HC from a big name FCS school.

Most college FB 'experts' would consider going from NDSU to EMU a step down.

NDSU beat Kansas State this season. We've NEVER beaten a BCS school. Yep, never.

FCS is a lot more attractive then folks here are getting them credit.

steve is correct on all counts. EMU has never hosted ESPN Game Day either as NDSU did this Fall.

Bohl has been an assistant several colleges including Nebraska (his alma mater, played DB) and Wisconsin. Been head coach of Bison for 11 years, won about 75 percent of their games and last two FCS national championships.

As I've said on many occasions I doubt Bohl is going anywhere, he signed a long term deal after being considered by WMU.

http://www.valleynewslive.com/story/2047...-with-ndsu

Now if Bohl who is a great FCS coach is getting 206k per year why can't we get someone like Eastern Illinois or Youngstown State for 350-400k?

Dear steve,
Please, you are pretty selective about THE school you chose to highlight. Coach Lembo only had one losing season at Elon, and that was his first year at 5-6. The next five years he had winning seasons. Elon has a fairly consistent winning tradition since the eighties. Are they the absolute tops in FCS football, no, but they are a competitive program that you are selling short. Are you arguing that Eastern should not have a coach of Lembo's success? Before Elon he was head coach at Lehigh for five or six years and never had a losing record. I would be thankful if Eastern could get a coach like Pete Lembo.

Dear MajorHoople,
When did Western host a ESPN game day? What does that have to do with getting a new football coach? Nothing.
I don't know what you and steve consider a top coach other than Bohl, because there are plenty of coaches out there that can revive programs, or keep winning programs winners. Bohl is not coming to Eastern , so let's talk about people that may.

Ken, it appears you missed the point of both steve and my posts, which is that a "top ranked coach' (your words) like Bohl would indeed not want to go to Eastern, which you disagreed with in Post #230 this thread.

Dear MajorHoople,
You and steve picked the coach who right now is at the top of his success, that is where you and steve misunderstood my point that he is not the only one out there. What about what I said about Pete Lembo? If, you do not consider that he was one of the top FCS coaches out there, then I respectively have to disagee. Post #236 on this thread.

(11-01-2013 09:04 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(11-01-2013 08:40 AM)emu79 Wrote:  I think 350k-400k should get us a high quality FCS or Div II coach.

My big fear, and I tangently made it earlier in this thread, is that a good candidate can weigh a number of openings (as Brian Kelly did a decade ago) and we have a history of not being a place for HCs to thrive.

Posters can come up with wish list of candidates only to find out that a). they aren't giving up a winning FCS program for a losing FBS program b). IF they are interested in 'moving up' we'll have to COMPETE for his services with our schools. There is a growing list of non-BCS HC opening already, e.g., Miami, Florida Atlantic, etc.

Guys this WILL BE TOUGH!!

I think folks here COMPLETELY underestimate the difficulty of getting the next Brian Kelly.

P.S. I doubt any FCS HC ranked in the top 5 or 10 among FCS schools would consider EMU.

If one has a good job, keep it!!

I think my post, paragraph #3 is more than simply NDSU's Bohl.

In later posts, in an attempt to be granular or more specific, I discussed Bohl because folks here seem to know a lot about him...

That does not negate what I posted above.

This is why we all love you Steve, you're always right others who post their view should be minimized and you're never wrong. Not about English, not about every one of his (according to you) superstar recruits.

But here's a point I'll pass along why is Bohl even being mentioned on this thread of potential EMU coaches to hire when he signed a 8 year contact with North Dakota State?