(10-08-2013 10:04 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear WoodenNickle,
You are correct about Tim Beck from Pittsburg State, however he made them into a winner year after year. Isn't that something we should be looking for? Pete Lembo was Head Coach at Lehigh and Elon before Ball State, and only at each school for about five years. I don't know if having multiple experiences makes one a better coach than someone else. If, your inclination is that he (Beck) needs to have coached at a larger school, I wouldn't think that Lehigh or Elon are in that category.

Ken - I don't put to much stock in what level a guy has coached at. I've actually got more respect for guys that have head coached at the smaller level than guys that are only assistants at a BCS school.

My point was that he only knows life at Pittsburg St. and has never broadened his experiences by being at other schools. The coaching network is big in that profession and I'm not sure that he would know too many people outside of those he's met at PSU. To use an actor's term - he's been typecast.

Interesting...
http://www.miamihawktalk.com/discussion/...hp?t=58612

Looks like some Miami folks like this guy, http://www.iupathletics.com/coaches.aspx?rc=169

Oh h3ll, why not...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Tressel

Craig Bohl at North Dakota State or Rob Ash of Montana State look good to me.

(10-08-2013 10:53 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Interesting...
http://www.miamihawktalk.com/discussion/...hp?t=58612

Looks like some Miami folks like this guy, http://www.iupathletics.com/coaches.aspx?rc=169

Oh h3ll, why not...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Tressel

Ms. Lyke knows all about the skeletons in OSU's closet...So that probably rules out ole Jim.

(10-08-2013 10:24 AM)emu steve Wrote:  I will, gladly, admit to having NOT read any of these multitudinous posts, or having forgotten what I read a couple weeks ago, about a new HC.

My interest today on a HC search on a 10 point scale is about 6. Oh, minus 6.

That said, I do have a few 'overarching' comments:

1). IF English is fired early, one can track the Miami HC search to see if firing a HC very early has strategic advantage. Not sure whom ADs can talk to in early October. Sounds like a 'dead period' to me (the ole 'hurry up and wait' bit).

2). Our new AD worked as a senior associate AD at Ohio State. I'd assume that Heather would seek Urban Meyer's counsel.

3). An EMU athletics development person at EMU happens to be the wife of UofM's OC, Al Borges. This is FICTITIOUS but not hardly a stretch. Nikki to Al: My AD asked if you or Brady (Hoke) have any suggestions for possible HC candidates...

Brady knows the B1G (and other conferences) very well and Urban Meyer knows the B1G and SEC extremely well.

I'm still not sure what can be done now. The regular season doesn't end until November 30.

This isn't like when Diles fired Woodruff early to get first shot at Brian Kelly. The GLIAC season ends I believe two weeks before the MAC season. Back then it would have been the 1st or 2nd Sat. of November.

Now I return to (my) regularly scheduled activities... Go Tigers this afternoon. Miggy we need you to give us a spark.

P.S. don't tell Hoopster, but I'm getting all psyched up for hoops.

Borges wife works in EMU’s athletic office? Wow, I never knew that.

(10-08-2013 03:23 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 10:53 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Interesting...
http://www.miamihawktalk.com/discussion/...hp?t=58612

Looks like some Miami folks like this guy, http://www.iupathletics.com/coaches.aspx?rc=169

Oh h3ll, why not...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Tressel

Ms. Lyke knows all about the skeletons in OSU's closet...So that probably rules out ole Jim.

He also has a “show cause” tag which makes him a non-starter. Plus, can you imagine the furor such a hire would cause in Ann Arbor if the Wolverine-killer was hired as EMU’s HC? I as an UM fan could only laugh at that.


Hell, I’d take him in a heartbeat. Tressell is a helluva of a coach.

(10-08-2013 03:01 PM)Huron 61 Wrote:  Craig Bohl at North Dakota State or Rob Ash of Montana State look good to me.

Bohl was mentioned for the WMU job and I believe NDSt signed him to a very long term contract. Not likely we would get him.

[quote='emu steve' pid='9827630' dateline='1381245858']
I will, gladly, admit to having NOT read any of these multitudinous posts, or having forgotten what I read a couple weeks ago, about a new HC.

My interest today on a HC search on a 10 point scale is about 6. Oh, minus 6.

That's because you can't accept the fact that you have been 110% wrong about English. You predicted superstar status for all sorts of English recruits the latest being Qua Barnes who I believe is so good he hasn't played a down this year instead of being the next Archer as you predicted. The facts are despite the Prez, the Regents pouring millions into this program, English has been a regression from Genyk and a complete disaster for EMU football. The rest of us have accepted this truth and moved on. You can stay where you are at minus 6. Maybe you can even get room service there.

paul ferraro @ maine. he was Defensive Coordinator @ Bowling green for 9 years. heres his bio

http://www.goblackbears.com/sports/m-foo...ul_Ferraro

No more non proven head coach who has not build a program. No more OC only or DC only candidates...

(10-08-2013 10:52 PM)NUPudge Wrote:  No more non proven head coach who has not build a program. No more OC only or DC only candidates...

Agreed. Harkema was the last coach who had previous HC experience.

Coach Matt Mitchell of GVSU?
Looks like a good prospect to me. He's 19-5 at GVSU.
He currently makes 138k, so if they offer to double that, you're paying substantially less than RE's current 340k.
Anybody got intelligence on him?

(10-12-2013 10:00 PM)michman83 Wrote:  Coach Matt Mitchell of GVSU?
Looks like a good prospect to me. He's 19-5 at GVSU.
He currently makes 138k, so if they offer to double that, you're paying substantially less than RE's current 340k.
Anybody got intelligence on him?

The tricky thing about a guy like that is that he took over a traditional winner. Does he have experience with changing a program culture and building a winner?

(10-12-2013 10:00 PM)michman83 Wrote:  Coach Matt Mitchell of GVSU?
Looks like a good prospect to me. He's 19-5 at GVSU.
He currently makes 138k, so if they offer to double that, you're paying substantially less than RE's current 340k.
Anybody got intelligence on him?

Once you paid that kind of money to someone it is very difficult to pay the next person less.

Bill Conley @Ohio Dominican. In four years he turned a bad D3 program into a nationally ranked D2 program. Also has a lot of D1 experience.

I'm going to take a few steps backwards on this thread.

My question is what is the PROCESS by which Coach English could be fired?

My first reaction is that those who say when the AD (!) decides...

My guess is that the decision will be made as much by the U President, Dr. Martin, as by the AD.

And I wouldn't be surprised if several regents might also play a role. Some regents were very involved in the hiring and would probably be involved in a firing.

Quite frankly, those who think the AD 'sleeps' on it for a night or two and then decides might be giving the AD more power than she has.

Matter of fact, I'd bet dollars to donuts that a decision to fire Coach English would at least need Dr. Martin's concurrence or a decision to say fire in October vs. November would require Dr. Martin's concurrence.

The AD and U president would try to decide this question:

Will the team be more competitive for the BALANCE OF THIS SEASON with or without Coach English?

Otherwise, there is NO advantage to firing a coach with half a season left, can't talk to a prospective coach who is under contract now as a possible successor.

(10-14-2013 08:16 AM)emu steve Wrote:  I'm going to take a few steps backwards on this thread.

My question is what is the PROCESS by which Coach English could be fired?

My first reaction is that those who say when the AD (!) decides...

My guess is that the decision will be made as much by the U President, Dr. Martin, as by the AD.

And I wouldn't be surprised if several regents might also play a role. Some regents were very involved in the hiring and would probably be involved in a firing.

Quite frankly, those who think the AD 'sleeps' on it for a night or two and then decides might be giving the AD more power than she has.

Matter of fact, I'd bet dollars to donuts that a decision to fire Coach English would at least need Dr. Martin's concurrence or a decision to say fire in October vs. November would require Dr. Martin's concurrence.

The AD and U president would try to decide this question:

Will the team be more competitive for the BALANCE OF THIS SEASON with or without Coach English?

Otherwise, there is NO advantage to firing a coach with half a season left, can't talk to a prospective coach who is under contract now as a possible successor.

I think it's to EMU's advantage to announce that he will not be re-signed ASAP (this week???).

Not sure what the rules are regarding interviewing someone that is currently on staff at another school but getting the word out there now rather than later at least helps jump start the process. It'll also send the message to alumni/fans that something is being done. Doing it now rather than later is also fair to HS seniors that are being recruited by EMU.

Whether or not RE finishes out the season as a lame duck is another subject.

Dear WoodenNickle,
I would agree with your assessment. I really like your take on the messaging to alumni/fans, and think it would be very fair to the recruits. Excellent!

(10-14-2013 09:48 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear WoodenNickle,
I would agree with your assessment. I really like your take on the messaging to alumni/fans, and think it would be very fair to the recruits. Excellent!

That is why we pay the AD and U president big bucks, to make these type of decisions...

(10-12-2013 10:00 PM)michman83 Wrote:  Coach Matt Mitchell of GVSU?
Looks like a good prospect to me. He's 19-5 at GVSU.
He currently makes 138k, so if they offer to double that, you're paying substantially less than RE's current 340k.
Anybody got intelligence on him?

Michell has never won a national championship at Grand Valley St as his precessors Kelly and Martin did, in fact its fair to say the program has slipped abit since he became coach.