(09-20-2013 02:47 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 02:46 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  As for Prohibition...it was passed in 1919 gone by the 30s...I don't get the connection to ObamaCare.

Of course you don't.

Back in 1919 the churches had a lot of control as far as making law...it was pushed through with the backing of Baptists, Methodists, and Protestants...I see no connection to ACA...it's not a religion based law.

The legality of the Affordable Care Act appeared settled when the Supreme Court upheld the law last year. Not so, it turns out. Scores of lawsuits around the country are targeting parts of Obamacare, making another high court showdown all but inevitable and raising the possibility that some provisions in the health-care overhaul could be dismantled. “This law is going to be litigated up and down for years,” says Jonathan Adler, who directs the Center for Business Law and Regulation at Case Western Reserve School of Law.
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/201...reme-court

When will you guys get the message that this was an inevitable occurrence coming regardless of the ACA? It was only a matter of time for companies that have issues with their bottom line. My company has been lowering things covered and raising prices to employees for five years in a row now. And we're comfortably solvent.

Thankfully, employees will now have something they can afford.

(09-20-2013 03:22 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  When will you guys get the message that this was an inevitable occurrence coming regardless of the ACA? It was only a matter of time for companies that have issues with their bottom line.

Thankfully, employees will now have something they can afford.

Not true when these companies state ACA is the issue.
Tom, many countries have different types of Universal Health Coverage, some did it right others not so much.

(09-20-2013 02:26 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 02:20 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 02:03 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 11:56 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  When will democrats get the message: Obamacare is a nightmare that won't work. Stop being stubborn just because you don't want to embarrass your fuhrer.

Obamacare is LAW...passed by the House...passed by the Senate...upheld by the Supreme Court.

Stop with the silly repeals...it's law...it's not going anywhere.

Hell, if the president can pick and choose when and for whom they get enacted, why the hell can't congress repeal it?

You realize that is something they can do, right?

Why try when the Senate will block it every single time? Waste of time/money

You would think after 40 times they would get the hint.

you do know this is a bald faced lie, another one perpetuated even by zerO himself, right?

The left KNOWS this thing is a train wreck and disaster in the making. What they are hoping is that they can scream "It's settled" enough times so the Republicans will drop it as an issue and move on to something else, ergo, the largely disinterested Jerry Springer public will forget it as an issue also.


Problem with that approach is that the Repub's AREN'T doing that, surprisingly, and its really starting to irk the petulant one and his blind followers.

(09-20-2013 03:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 02:26 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 02:20 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 02:03 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 11:56 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  When will democrats get the message: Obamacare is a nightmare that won't work. Stop being stubborn just because you don't want to embarrass your fuhrer.

Obamacare is LAW...passed by the House...passed by the Senate...upheld by the Supreme Court.

Stop with the silly repeals...it's law...it's not going anywhere.

Hell, if the president can pick and choose when and for whom they get enacted, why the hell can't congress repeal it?

You realize that is something they can do, right?

Why try when the Senate will block it every single time? Waste of time/money

You would think after 40 times they would get the hint.

you do know this is a bald faced lie, another one perpetuated even by zerO himself, right?

The left KNOWS this thing is a train wreck and disaster in the making. What they are hoping is that they can scream "It's settled" enough times so the Republicans will drop it as an issue and move on to something else, ergo, the largely disinterested Jerry Springer public will forget it as an issue also.


Problem with that approach is that the Repub's AREN'T doing that, surprisingly, and its really starting to irk the petulant one and his blind followers.

Fight all you want...the result remains the same.

(09-20-2013 03:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 02:26 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 02:20 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 02:03 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 11:56 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  When will democrats get the message: Obamacare is a nightmare that won't work. Stop being stubborn just because you don't want to embarrass your fuhrer.

Obamacare is LAW...passed by the House...passed by the Senate...upheld by the Supreme Court.

Stop with the silly repeals...it's law...it's not going anywhere.

Hell, if the president can pick and choose when and for whom they get enacted, why the hell can't congress repeal it?

You realize that is something they can do, right?

Why try when the Senate will block it every single time? Waste of time/money

You would think after 40 times they would get the hint.

you do know this is a bald faced lie, another one perpetuated even by zerO himself, right?

The left KNOWS this thing is a train wreck and disaster in the making. What they are hoping is that they can scream "It's settled" enough times so the Republicans will drop it as an issue and move on to something else, ergo, the largely disinterested Jerry Springer public will forget it as an issue also.


Problem with that approach is that the Repub's AREN'T doing that, surprisingly, and its really starting to irk the petulant one and his blind followers.

Wait, are you claiming that the Republican lead house hasn't tried to repeal Obamacare like 40 times?

(09-20-2013 03:31 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 03:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 02:26 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 02:20 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 02:03 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Obamacare is LAW...passed by the House...passed by the Senate...upheld by the Supreme Court.

Stop with the silly repeals...it's law...it's not going anywhere.

Hell, if the president can pick and choose when and for whom they get enacted, why the hell can't congress repeal it?

You realize that is something they can do, right?

Why try when the Senate will block it every single time? Waste of time/money

You would think after 40 times they would get the hint.

you do know this is a bald faced lie, another one perpetuated even by zerO himself, right?

The left KNOWS this thing is a train wreck and disaster in the making. What they are hoping is that they can scream "It's settled" enough times so the Republicans will drop it as an issue and move on to something else, ergo, the largely disinterested Jerry Springer public will forget it as an issue also.


Problem with that approach is that the Repub's AREN'T doing that, surprisingly, and its really starting to irk the petulant one and his blind followers.

Fight all you want...the result remains the same.

About 100 suits against Obamacare currently. 5 have been cleared to go to court.

(09-20-2013 03:27 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 03:22 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  When will you guys get the message that this was an inevitable occurrence coming regardless of the ACA? It was only a matter of time for companies that have issues with their bottom line.

Thankfully, employees will now have something they can afford.

Not true when these companies state ACA is the issue.
Tom, many countries have different types of Universal Health Coverage, some did it right others not so much.

Why wouldn't they say that? They don't want their employees mad at them! Health care costs companies like $10,000 to cover an employee, while the ACA only imposes a "fine" of $2,000 per employee.

And I'll gladly say goodbye to the ACA if we got something like medicare for all instead.

(09-20-2013 03:37 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 03:31 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 03:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 02:26 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 02:20 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Hell, if the president can pick and choose when and for whom they get enacted, why the hell can't congress repeal it?

You realize that is something they can do, right?

Why try when the Senate will block it every single time? Waste of time/money

You would think after 40 times they would get the hint.

you do know this is a bald faced lie, another one perpetuated even by zerO himself, right?

The left KNOWS this thing is a train wreck and disaster in the making. What they are hoping is that they can scream "It's settled" enough times so the Republicans will drop it as an issue and move on to something else, ergo, the largely disinterested Jerry Springer public will forget it as an issue also.


Problem with that approach is that the Repub's AREN'T doing that, surprisingly, and its really starting to irk the petulant one and his blind followers.

Fight all you want...the result remains the same.

About 100 suits against Obamacare currently. 5 have been cleared to go to court.

1 has already gone through...Obamacare won...precedent established.

(09-20-2013 03:37 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 03:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 02:26 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 02:20 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 02:03 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Obamacare is LAW...passed by the House...passed by the Senate...upheld by the Supreme Court.

Stop with the silly repeals...it's law...it's not going anywhere.

Hell, if the president can pick and choose when and for whom they get enacted, why the hell can't congress repeal it?

You realize that is something they can do, right?

Why try when the Senate will block it every single time? Waste of time/money

You would think after 40 times they would get the hint.

you do know this is a bald faced lie, another one perpetuated even by zerO himself, right?

The left KNOWS this thing is a train wreck and disaster in the making. What they are hoping is that they can scream "It's settled" enough times so the Republicans will drop it as an issue and move on to something else, ergo, the largely disinterested Jerry Springer public will forget it as an issue also.


Problem with that approach is that the Repub's AREN'T doing that, surprisingly, and its really starting to irk the petulant one and his blind followers.

Wait, are you claiming that the Republican lead house hasn't tried to repeal Obamacare like 40 times?

I'm not "claiming" anything. It's a fact. Go look it up.

We've already done this and I've already debunked that false narrative. I'm not going through it all again. Pay attention the first time, k?

LMFAO

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/...obamacare/

(09-20-2013 03:52 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 03:37 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 03:31 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 03:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 02:26 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Why try when the Senate will block it every single time? Waste of time/money

You would think after 40 times they would get the hint.

you do know this is a bald faced lie, another one perpetuated even by zerO himself, right?

The left KNOWS this thing is a train wreck and disaster in the making. What they are hoping is that they can scream "It's settled" enough times so the Republicans will drop it as an issue and move on to something else, ergo, the largely disinterested Jerry Springer public will forget it as an issue also.


Problem with that approach is that the Repub's AREN'T doing that, surprisingly, and its really starting to irk the petulant one and his blind followers.

Fight all you want...the result remains the same.

About 100 suits against Obamacare currently. 5 have been cleared to go to court.

1 has already gone through...Obamacare won...precedent established.

Are you just playing dumb for fun or is it your natural state?

Obumblercare didn't win anything. The individual mandate was upheld because what was another lie was lied about as a penalty, was somehow distorted from the original language and found to be a TAX. So as another TAX it can be imposed, and the primary funding method was left intact.

Without it, the whole thing may have failed early on, now it will simply take a longer, more excruciating path to wrecking lives, destroying businesses, destroying the worlds greatest healthcare delivery system ever and eventually crashing under it's own unsupportable weight.

Congrats, dims, wear it like a shield of honor, this thing is ALLL yours.

Awww...did the court make you mad?

Aren't you cute. Okay, run along, its clear you don't belong at the adults table.

(09-20-2013 04:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Aren't you cute. Okay, run along, its clear you don't belong at the adults table.

I don't care about tables...I get a vote...same as you.

(09-20-2013 04:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Aren't you cute. Okay, run along, its clear you don't belong at the adults table.

Always the drama queen. As I said in the other thread, it's really tiresome.

But sorry, you're in fantasy land if you think that the R's have not voted 40+ times to repeal obamacare.

Take it from fox 'news' and stop being so stupid
The Republican-led House has voted, for the 37th time, to repeal President Obama’s health care law, even though GOP lawmakers know the Senate will not follow suit.

But I'm DYING to hear your sound explanation for what they're actually doing.

Although don't forget this quote while you're spinning away...

Quote:“The guys who have been up here the last two years, we can go home and say, ‘Listen, we voted 36 different times to repeal or replace ObamaCare.’ Tell me what the new guys are supposed to say?” second-term Rep. Mick Mulvaney (R-S.C.) said Wednesday at a forum sponsored by the Heritage Foundation.

“I want a chance as a freshman to do that, even if it’s just symbolic,” Rep. Trey Radel (R-Fla.) said.

(09-20-2013 02:03 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 11:56 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  When will democrats get the message: Obamacare is a nightmare that won't work. Stop being stubborn just because you don't want to embarrass your fuhrer.

Obamacare is LAW...passed by the House...passed by the Senate...upheld by the Supreme Court.

Stop with the silly repeals...it's law...it's not going anywhere.

Bad laws are made to repeal. It passed the house and senate with NO republican votes and only after many fence sitting democrats votes were bought. Since it is the law, shouldn't OBAMA be in jail since he decided it did not have to go into full effect on his own. It is the law it must be upheld to the letter of the law not to what one man wants.

(09-20-2013 04:36 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 04:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Aren't you cute. Okay, run along, its clear you don't belong at the adults table.

I don't care about tables...I get a vote...same as you.

Right. You voted for Obama and his socialism. We voted for congressmen to stop it. Elections have consequences, isn't that what Barry said?

(09-20-2013 02:03 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 11:56 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  When will democrats get the message: Obamacare is a nightmare that won't work. Stop being stubborn just because you don't want to embarrass your fuhrer.

Obamacare is LAW...passed by the House...passed by the Senate...upheld by the Supreme Court.

Stop with the silly repeals...it's law...it's not going anywhere.

Let's see, it was not law before it was law.
Have we ever had a law that was repealed - yes.
Has President Obama ever declared that his administration would not enforce an existing law - yes.

A law is someone's opinion of how something should be done basically.
Are people ever wrong? - yes
Are there ever any bad laws - yes.

Finally, will Obamacare be on the books a decade from now - No.