Just saw this in the Comical. I feel really bad for him to lose his senior season like this.

http://www.chron.com/sports/rice/article...818506.php

Wow, real bummer for him. Hope the young guys are ready to get more reps. For some reason I thought he had injured his arm or something, didn't realize it was his knee. Or maybe I am thinking of his missed tackle on the long TD reception, and didn't notice he returned later when this happened? Either way, sucks.

Yeah, awful news.

On TV, you could see him reach for his knee while jumping to defend a pass toward the very end of the game, so it looked bad.

(09-16-2013 12:54 PM)mrbig Wrote:  Wow, real bummer for him. Hope the young guys are ready to get more reps. For some reason I thought he had injured his arm or something, didn't realize it was his knee. Or maybe I am thinking of his missed tackle on the long TD reception, and didn't notice he returned later when this happened? Either way, sucks.

You are thinking about the long TD. That was his shoulder. He was hurt again late in the 4th quarter (either Kansas' last drive or 2nd to last drive). Stayed down for a long time and needed a lot of help to get off the field.

I feel so bad for him to lose his senior year like this.

From a football perspective, fortunately, Julius White is his back-up. He got a lot of experience last year and I don't think we will see a drop off with him out there.

Next question: Frazier missed 10 games last year and will miss another double digits this year. Sounds to me like medical redshirt material so we can have him back next year as a 5th year senior. Is he interested in that option?

(09-16-2013 02:36 PM)RiceDoc Wrote:  Next question: Frazier missed 10 games last year and will miss another double digits this year. Sounds to me like medical redshirt material so we can have him back next year as a 5th year senior. Is he interested in that option?

This was his 5th year. 2009-2013.

(09-16-2013 02:41 PM)talon owl Wrote:  

(09-16-2013 02:36 PM)RiceDoc Wrote:  Next question: Frazier missed 10 games last year and will miss another double digits this year. Sounds to me like medical redshirt material so we can have him back next year as a 5th year senior. Is he interested in that option?

This was his 5th year. 2009-2013.

But he can have a redshirt and a hardship. So I guess the question is whether he wants a 6th year!

(09-16-2013 02:46 PM)RiceDoc Wrote:  

(09-16-2013 02:41 PM)talon owl Wrote:  

(09-16-2013 02:36 PM)RiceDoc Wrote:  Next question: Frazier missed 10 games last year and will miss another double digits this year. Sounds to me like medical redshirt material so we can have him back next year as a 5th year senior. Is he interested in that option?

This was his 5th year. 2009-2013.

But he can have a redshirt and a hardship. So I guess the question is whether he wants a 6th year!

It's called the Ramon Flanigan plan.

(09-16-2013 02:55 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  It's called the Ramon Flanigan plan.

Ramon lead the team in passing and STILL got a medical redshirt.

(09-16-2013 02:59 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(09-16-2013 02:55 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  It's called the Ramon Flanigan plan.

Ramon lead the team in passing and STILL got a medical redshirt.

*$^#%! I didn't realize you had to lead the team in passing to qualify for this plan.

(09-16-2013 02:46 PM)RiceDoc Wrote:  

(09-16-2013 02:41 PM)talon owl Wrote:  

(09-16-2013 02:36 PM)RiceDoc Wrote:  Next question: Frazier missed 10 games last year and will miss another double digits this year. Sounds to me like medical redshirt material so we can have him back next year as a 5th year senior. Is he interested in that option?

This was his 5th year. 2009-2013.

But he can have a redshirt and a hardship. So I guess the question is whether he wants a 6th year!

Or he could just legally change his last name to Keenum. I'm told there's a special Keenum clause in the NCAA bylaws.

I'd love to see him try to reconstruct and rehab again. But it's really tough. About 1/4-1/3 of athletes will not return to competitive sports after an INITIAL injury and repair. About 3-5% of those that do return will have a re-injury. (It's a little difficult to get exact numbers because it's not real common). Re-injury is associated with a higher incidence of other ligamentous and meniscus injuries..requiring more extensive repair.
It's a difficult situation.

(09-16-2013 03:49 PM)greyowl72 Wrote:  I'd love to see him try to reconstruct and rehab again. But it's really tough. About 1/4-1/3 of athletes will not return to competitive sports after an INITIAL injury and repair. About 3-5% of those that do return will have a re-injury. (It's a little difficult to get exact numbers because it's not real common). Re-injury is associated with a higher incidence of other ligamentous and meniscus injuries..requiring more extensive repair.
It's a difficult situation.

Whether he plays again or not, I want to see him reconstruct and rehab again. He will be better off long term that way. Trust me - I know from personal experience that reconstructed and rehabbed is tough, but repaired and not rehabbed is worse - I've seen that in others! And you are certainly right about the amount of collateral damage being a huge issue too.