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RE: Big East vs AAC Attendance
Steve, I will also miss the old rivalries. In fact, at UConn we will miss them a lot more than you will at Georgetown because we have none of them left. (We don't have any real rivalry with Cincinnati or USF.)

This mess was all created by the desire of the power football conferences to control all the money in college sports and by the inability of eastern football to ever get its act together. They didn't want to be associated with you or any of the other Catholic schools, Or UConn either, So I say f***k them.

There's really no way to turn back the clock. Those days are gone forever. I won't really miss the recent Big East monstrosity. It was way too big. Many schools will come to regret these super conferences that are really only bargaining conglomerates for TV money.

Having been around for the entirety of Big East history, the league was at its best when it was smaller. There were really only 5 very good programs when it got started - Syracuse, Georgetown, St. John's, Villanova, and BC. One of the things that was fun was to watch Providence, Seton Hall, and UConn build their programs until the conference truly became a free for all. That really wasn't able to happen when the conference expanded.

College basketball has grown so much in the last 35 years. Football conferences like the SEC, the Big 8, and the Southwest Conference who didn't care about basketball (with the obvious exceptions) now are deep in good basketball programs and truly are power basketball leagues. It's a much more competitive landscape.

That was discouraging back in the '90's when it seemed that the little guy was getting squeezed out. But the past decade has been much more encouraging. Instead of just UMass, UNLV, and Cincinnati getting to the Final Four from outside the power conferences, we saw CUSA rejuvenated for a while, the Big East strong once again, and true mid majors like George Mason, VCU, Wichita State, and Butler getting to the Final Four. All that's been missing is a mid major winning a national championship - unless we consider the pre-football UConn NC teams to be outside the power football conferences.

The new Big East for me represents an opportunity. That's it. An opportunity. By bringing together most of the best non-football, basketball-first schools in the country, they can hopefully command the dollars they need to compete. My only disappointment is that they were too selective in whom they included. If it really is going to be the best basketball conference in the country that doesn't play football, they needed to get VCU in there. That is an emerging program that has success written all over it. Like everyone else, I dream of Gonzaga as well. If only they were 1000 miles closer.

Those are the reasons why I'm upbeat. I'm hoping that history can repeat itself. Basketball has always been the sport for the little guys in college sports. Nowhere was that more evident historically than in the East. Other regions of the country had the same old schools winning championships in the early tournament years that are winning them today. Ohio State was runner up in the first NCAA and they were back in the Final Four 2 years ago. Kentucky, Kansas, Morth Carolina . . . It gets boring.

But the East was always about someone new and interesting. Some school on a campus that you didn't necessarily need a bus to get around. Schools like Temple (a private school back then), LIU, St. John's, Holy Cross, Seton Hall, and LaSalle. CCNY, a commuter school, was the 1950 version of VCU. The Big East brought it all back in the '80's with Georgetown, Villanova, St. John's, and Syracuse. UConn emerged. It was mostly the new kids on the block, not the same old faces. They were fresh.

Ten came the football issues. Ugh. I wish they had all just gotten on the same page and gone off in their own all sports league. It would have spared everyone a lot of pain. They might have been the ones poaching the ACC instead of the other way around.

So, I like this new league because it's what I've always liked about Eastern basketball. New, fresh, and interesting. The little guys taking on the big guys.

IMO, the AAC. Is nothing but a bunch of power football wannabe's who are deluding themselves into thinking that they can actually achieve that. They can't. The game is rigged. The deck is stacked against them. A few like UConn, Cincinnati, Memphis, and Temple have a history of basketball-first and understand that is their ticket to national recognition. But they are being tempted by the siren song of football. I'm sure that there will be those among them who compromise their basketball mission in an effort to chase the football dollars and who will fail at both in the process. Hopefully one or two of them can be the Kentucky and/or the Kansas of the group and keep basketball as their priority. But I believe that the AAC will be what the SEC and the Big XII once were - football-centric leagues that don't care about basketball with only one or two exceptions.

Give me the Big East. That's where true college basketball fans in this region will be able to enjoy the sport.
09-05-2013 10:32 AM
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I think Melky the thing that is so funny about what we've seen so far about the AAC is the recruiting coups that SMU and ECU have pulled off- while the football has struggled. I can see what you are saying, but it seems like the new schools are striving to compete with the big 4 in hoops, which is a great thing.

I think what you say Melky about the landscape is so true. It's so different now than it was 35 years ago.

oh, and btw, I agree with you 100% about VCU :)
09-05-2013 10:44 AM
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(09-05-2013 10:32 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  Steve, I will also miss the old rivalries. In fact, at UConn we will miss them a lot more than you will at Georgetown because we have none of them left. (We don't have any real rivalry with Cincinnati or USF.)

This mess was all created by the desire of the power football conferences to control all the money in college sports and by the inability of eastern football to ever get its act together. They didn't want to be associated with you or any of the other Catholic schools, Or UConn either, So I say f***k them.

There's really no way to turn back the clock. Those days are gone forever. I won't really miss the recent Big East monstrosity. It was way too big. Many schools will come to regret these super conferences that are really only bargaining conglomerates for TV money.

Having been around for the entirety of Big East history, the league was at its best when it was smaller. There were really only 5 very good programs when it got started - Syracuse, Georgetown, St. John's, Villanova, and BC. One of the things that was fun was to watch Providence, Seton Hall, and UConn build their programs until the conference truly became a free for all. That really wasn't able to happen when the conference expanded.

College basketball has grown so much in the last 35 years. Football conferences like the SEC, the Big 8, and the Southwest Conference who didn't care about basketball (with the obvious exceptions) now are deep in good basketball programs and truly are power basketball leagues. It's a much more competitive landscape.

That was discouraging back in the '90's when it seemed that the little guy was getting squeezed out. But the past decade has been much more encouraging. Instead of just UMass, UNLV, and Cincinnati getting to the Final Four from outside the power conferences, we saw CUSA rejuvenated for a while, the Big East strong once again, and true mid majors like George Mason, VCU, Wichita State, and Butler getting to the Final Four. All that's been missing is a mid major winning a national championship - unless we consider the pre-football UConn NC teams to be outside the power football conferences.

The new Big East for me represents an opportunity. That's it. An opportunity. By bringing together most of the best non-football, basketball-first schools in the country, they can hopefully command the dollars they need to compete. My only disappointment is that they were too selective in whom they included. If it really is going to be the best basketball conference in the country that doesn't play football, they needed to get VCU in there. That is an emerging program that has success written all over it. Like everyone else, I dream of Gonzaga as well. If only they were 1000 miles closer.

Those are the reasons why I'm upbeat. I'm hoping that history can repeat itself. Basketball has always been the sport for the little guys in college sports. Nowhere was that more evident historically than in the East. Other regions of the country had the same old schools winning championships in the early tournament years that are winning them today. Ohio State was runner up in the first NCAA and they were back in the Final Four 2 years ago. Kentucky, Kansas, Morth Carolina . . . It gets boring.

But the East was always about someone new and interesting. Some school on a campus that you didn't necessarily need a bus to get around. Schools like Temple (a private school back then), LIU, St. John's, Holy Cross, Seton Hall, and LaSalle. CCNY, a commuter school, was the 1950 version of VCU. The Big East brought it all back in the '80's with Georgetown, Villanova, St. John's, and Syracuse. UConn emerged. It was mostly the new kids on the block, not the same old faces. They were fresh.

Ten came the football issues. Ugh. I wish they had all just gotten on the same page and gone off in their own all sports league. It would have spared everyone a lot of pain. They might have been the ones poaching the ACC instead of the other way around.

So, I like this new league because it's what I've always liked about Eastern basketball. New, fresh, and interesting. The little guys taking on the big guys.

IMO, the AAC. Is nothing but a bunch of power football wannabe's who are deluding themselves into thinking that they can actually achieve that. They can't. The game is rigged. The deck is stacked against them. A few like UConn, Cincinnati, Memphis, and Temple have a history of basketball-first and understand that is their ticket to national recognition. But they are being tempted by the siren song of football. I'm sure that there will be those among them who compromise their basketball mission in an effort to chase the football dollars and who will fail at both in the process. Hopefully one or two of them can be the Kentucky and/or the Kansas of the group and keep basketball as their priority. But I believe that the AAC will be what the SEC and the Big XII once were - football-centric leagues that don't care about basketball with only one or two exceptions.

Give me the Big East. That's where true college basketball fans in this region will be able to enjoy the sport.

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(09-03-2013 05:20 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(09-03-2013 02:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  We'll see pretty soon(like this week) when the schedule comes out. It seems like they are real heavy on UFC so I don't see them dropping UFC for the winter months on a regular basis.

I think they said over 100 games for broadcast. If you take say 3 OOC games broadcast on FS1 per school that would leave about 70 conference games, which would be about 7 per week. I'd kind of guess they would have a game on Monday(boxing no where near as big as UFC) then 1 on Tue, 1 on Thu, then 3-4 on the weekends.

Also have to remember FS1 does have the rights to like 18 Pac 12 games, and 10+ CUSA games. Most of these would be conference games.

1. Half of a teams quality OOC games are in preseason tournys. Those are pretty much ESPN's domain.

2. The OOC matchup is owned by the home teams TV partner. Most schools only have 2-3 quality OOc match ups. Fox might get 1-2 of those per school. I doubt FS1 will be all over the gimme games. I doubt it's 30 of 100 games.

3. From what I understood was that it would be 100 BIG EAST games not 100 games featuring a big east team. 100 Big East games to me means every conference game. Not SJU vs Fordham.

So question for you Redman. Are you happy with what the schedule is, given that it's actually even fewer conference games than I was calling for on FS1, but even more OOC games.
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(09-06-2013 10:36 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(09-03-2013 05:20 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(09-03-2013 02:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  We'll see pretty soon(like this week) when the schedule comes out. It seems like they are real heavy on UFC so I don't see them dropping UFC for the winter months on a regular basis.

I think they said over 100 games for broadcast. If you take say 3 OOC games broadcast on FS1 per school that would leave about 70 conference games, which would be about 7 per week. I'd kind of guess they would have a game on Monday(boxing no where near as big as UFC) then 1 on Tue, 1 on Thu, then 3-4 on the weekends.

Also have to remember FS1 does have the rights to like 18 Pac 12 games, and 10+ CUSA games. Most of these would be conference games.

1. Half of a teams quality OOC games are in preseason tournys. Those are pretty much ESPN's domain.

2. The OOC matchup is owned by the home teams TV partner. Most schools only have 2-3 quality OOc match ups. Fox might get 1-2 of those per school. I doubt FS1 will be all over the gimme games. I doubt it's 30 of 100 games.

3. From what I understood was that it would be 100 BIG EAST games not 100 games featuring a big east team. 100 Big East games to me means every conference game. Not SJU vs Fordham.

So question for you Redman. Are you happy with what the schedule is, given that it's actually even fewer conference games than I was calling for on FS1, but even more OOC games.

I was wrong, I didn't see them selling games to CBS. I have no issue with more games on TV but I didn't think they would be all over the gimme games too. I just moved out west so more games is good for me.
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I think a few things-
1- I think having a lot of the OOC games on is better than having the dog conference games. I actually am surprised at like 3-4 of the games sold to CBSSN that I would have thought FS1 would have kept.
2- I think like you brought up- some of the dog OOC games are against teams we have to play. Well, by some of these getting on tv, those teams are goign to be getting exposure they NEVER have gotten before. That may eventually start to improve those schools recruiting a bit which eventually means they improve and don't hurt us as much.
3- I think I was wrong in that I thought the games sold to CBSSN would have just gone to the FSN. I think this is actually a big plus.
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