(09-03-2013 02:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  We'll see pretty soon(like this week) when the schedule comes out. It seems like they are real heavy on UFC so I don't see them dropping UFC for the winter months on a regular basis.

I think they said over 100 games for broadcast. If you take say 3 OOC games broadcast on FS1 per school that would leave about 70 conference games, which would be about 7 per week. I'd kind of guess they would have a game on Monday(boxing no where near as big as UFC) then 1 on Tue, 1 on Thu, then 3-4 on the weekends.

Also have to remember FS1 does have the rights to like 18 Pac 12 games, and 10+ CUSA games. Most of these would be conference games.

1. Half of a teams quality OOC games are in preseason tournys. Those are pretty much ESPN's domain.

2. The OOC matchup is owned by the home teams TV partner. Most schools only have 2-3 quality OOc match ups. Fox might get 1-2 of those per school. I doubt FS1 will be all over the gimme games. I doubt it's 30 of 100 games.

3. From what I understood was that it would be 100 BIG EAST games not 100 games featuring a big east team. 100 Big East games to me means every conference game. Not SJU vs Fordham.

There are 90 conference games.

I think the thing to keep in mind with that 100 number is FS1 is not going to just want 10 OOC games in November/December. I can come up with just skimming the schedules like at least 5 locks(Ohio St @ Marquette, BC @ Providence 1st night of the season, Cincy @ Xavier, Syracuse @ St Johns, Michigan St vs Georgetown at MSG- and that's just 5 real fast). FS1 needs the game inventory in November and December. They won't burn the P12 appearances all in OOC games.

I just think it's fairly comical to think that all 90 games are going to be aired on FS1. That just doesn't have a shot of happening. I don't see FS1 interested in showing a DePaul/Seton Hall game.

(09-04-2013 01:12 AM)stever20 Wrote:  There are 90 conference games.

I think the thing to keep in mind with that 100 number is FS1 is not going to just want 10 OOC games in November/December. I can come up with just skimming the schedules like at least 5 locks(Ohio St @ Marquette, BC @ Providence 1st night of the season, Cincy @ Xavier, Syracuse @ St Johns, Michigan St vs Georgetown at MSG- and that's just 5 real fast). FS1 needs the game inventory in November and December. They won't burn the P12 appearances all in OOC games.

I just think it's fairly comical to think that all 90 games are going to be aired on FS1. That just doesn't have a shot of happening. I don't see FS1 interested in showing a DePaul/Seton Hall game.

What else are they airing Stever? They don't have a ton of product right now. They own 100% of our rights. Why not show it all? Live sports is better for them than the Crowd Goes Wild reruns.

Just a quick question, did they ever say they were going to air every single conference game on FS1? Nope.

Just was seeing the P12 schedule. They have 22 conference games, with a lot of weekend games along with a couple of 9pm starts on weeknights.

I think in a lot of ways, if they aired more OOC games, it's actually a good thing for us. I don't think the world is going to stop if FS1 doesn't air a Seton Hall/DePaul game. I'd much rather them show a Villanova/La Salle game quite frankly.

(09-04-2013 08:21 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Just a quick question, did they ever say they were going to air every single conference game on FS1? Nope.

Just was seeing the P12 schedule. They have 22 conference games, with a lot of weekend games along with a couple of 9pm starts on weeknights.

I think in a lot of ways, if they aired more OOC games, it's actually a good thing for us. I don't think the world is going to stop if FS1 doesn't air a Seton Hall/DePaul game. I'd much rather them show a Villanova/La Salle game quite frankly.

Who is to say they wont air both? I don't know why you're so dead set against all of our games being on Fox. hahaha

They own the product and NEED live sports. Why would they willingly sit on a live game to show some stupid talking heads?

They can literally take our games and move them to every day of the week if they need to. I doubt they sit on more than a handful of our games. 90 conference games we have to offer? I bet they show at least 85 of them.

(09-04-2013 01:05 PM)billyjack Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 01:12 AM)stever20 Wrote:  There are 90 conference games.

I think the thing to keep in mind with that 100 number is FS1 is not going to just want 10 OOC games in November/December. I can come up with just skimming the schedules like at least 5 locks(Ohio St @ Marquette, BC @ Providence 1st night of the season, Cincy @ Xavier, Syracuse @ St Johns, Michigan St vs Georgetown at MSG- and that's just 5 real fast). FS1 needs the game inventory in November and December. They won't burn the P12 appearances all in OOC games.

I just think it's fairly comical to think that all 90 games are going to be aired on FS1. That just doesn't have a shot of happening. I don't see FS1 interested in showing a DePaul/Seton Hall game.

You know, there are 88 games that will not be "DePaul vs Seton Hall". Also, the Pac-12 plays Thursdays and Saturdays, and their games start at 10pm Eastern-- so they won't bump us from a time slot.

actually Pac 12 has gone away from the strict Thursday/Saturday schedule. FS1 has like 23 regular season games, with 2-3 9pm weeknight starts and then several games shown on weekends.

(09-04-2013 01:05 PM)billyjack Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 01:12 AM)stever20 Wrote:  There are 90 conference games.

I think the thing to keep in mind with that 100 number is FS1 is not going to just want 10 OOC games in November/December. I can come up with just skimming the schedules like at least 5 locks(Ohio St @ Marquette, BC @ Providence 1st night of the season, Cincy @ Xavier, Syracuse @ St Johns, Michigan St vs Georgetown at MSG- and that's just 5 real fast). FS1 needs the game inventory in November and December. They won't burn the P12 appearances all in OOC games.

I just think it's fairly comical to think that all 90 games are going to be aired on FS1. That just doesn't have a shot of happening. I don't see FS1 interested in showing a DePaul/Seton Hall game.

You know, there are 88 games that will not be "DePaul vs Seton Hall". Also, the Pac-12 plays Thursdays and Saturdays, and their games start at 10pm Eastern-- so they won't bump us from a time slot.

I think at this point stever just likes to hear himself talk. We get it, Depaul and Seton hall are not attractive. Take those two out of the Big East then he'll complain about the bottom two teams. He is single handedly starting to sting up this board with the comments he makes. I'm starting to read the other board more and more everyday because people don't repeat the same thing over and over on different topics.

(09-04-2013 12:43 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 08:21 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Just a quick question, did they ever say they were going to air every single conference game on FS1? Nope.

Just was seeing the P12 schedule. They have 22 conference games, with a lot of weekend games along with a couple of 9pm starts on weeknights.

I think in a lot of ways, if they aired more OOC games, it's actually a good thing for us. I don't think the world is going to stop if FS1 doesn't air a Seton Hall/DePaul game. I'd much rather them show a Villanova/La Salle game quite frankly.

Who is to say they wont air both? I don't know why you're so dead set against all of our games being on Fox. hahaha

They own the product and NEED live sports. Why would they willingly sit on a live game to show some stupid talking heads?

They can literally take our games and move them to every day of the week if they need to. I doubt they sit on more than a handful of our games. 90 conference games we have to offer? I bet they show at least 85 of them.

One thing that is interesting- I thought that ESPN had all Big 12 games. Was reading an about thing with FS1, and they said that FS1 has some rights to Big 12 games.

I think we'll see a lot of our games shown on FS1, but to think all 90 conference games is just probably foolish.

(09-04-2013 02:02 PM)stever20 Wrote:  One thing that is interesting- I thought that ESPN had all Big 12 games. Was reading an about thing with FS1, and they said that FS1 has some rights to Big 12 games.

I think we'll see a lot of our games shown on FS1, but to think all 90 conference games is just probably foolish.

"FOX Sports 1 is slated to televise more than 100 BIG EAST men’s regular season games this coming season, beginning with non-conference play on Friday, November 8."

Source

"-- Over 100 men's games will be aired on Fox Sports 1 starting with the 2013-14 season. Fox also has rights to men's basketball, women's basketball, Olympic sports, and highlights for ancillary programming."

"-- Fox wil get "TV Everywhere" rights, the ability to stream games on computers, mobiles and tablets." -This is nice

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You guys are just not realistic to think that every last single game is going to be shown on FS1. You don't want to admit that maybe the strength of the conference schedule isn't going to be what it was. You don't lose what we lost and just not see a difference. I'm sorry, but there is a difference playing like a Syracuse to playing a Butler(even if they still had Stevens and no injury). There just is.

(09-04-2013 02:08 PM)ivet Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 02:02 PM)stever20 Wrote:  One thing that is interesting- I thought that ESPN had all Big 12 games. Was reading an about thing with FS1, and they said that FS1 has some rights to Big 12 games.

I think we'll see a lot of our games shown on FS1, but to think all 90 conference games is just probably foolish.

"FOX Sports 1 is slated to televise more than 100 BIG EAST men’s regular season games this coming season, beginning with non-conference play on Friday, November 8."

Source

The question about that is just how much more than 100 it is.

I mean, there are easily just from quick glance at least 6-7 OOC games that have to be shown. Also, I know there is a game with Marquette @ Arizona St I believe- that while being a Pac 12 game would still be a Big East game shown on their network. I think we're going to find in Nov/Dec about 30 OOC games(or roughly 3 per week) aired. FS1 needs the volume. I think FS1 will air roughly 70 conference games.

(09-04-2013 02:14 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 02:08 PM)ivet Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 02:02 PM)stever20 Wrote:  One thing that is interesting- I thought that ESPN had all Big 12 games. Was reading an about thing with FS1, and they said that FS1 has some rights to Big 12 games.

I think we'll see a lot of our games shown on FS1, but to think all 90 conference games is just probably foolish.

"FOX Sports 1 is slated to televise more than 100 BIG EAST men’s regular season games this coming season, beginning with non-conference play on Friday, November 8."

Source

The question about that is just how much more than 100 it is.

I mean, there are easily just from quick glance at least 6-7 OOC games that have to be shown. Also, I know there is a game with Marquette @ Arizona St I believe- that while being a Pac 12 game would still be a Big East game shown on their network. I think we're going to find in Nov/Dec about 30 OOC games(or roughly 3 per week) aired. FS1 needs the volume. I think FS1 will air roughly 70 conference games.

If I told you the sky was blue, would you still be skeptical?

when you say something is more than 100, do you mean 101 or 150? I mean, if they were going to air 120 games, wouldn't that have been in the announcement. Also, if they were going to air ALL of the games, wouldn't that have been in the announcement?

I'm a Georgetown fan and I am a huge basketball fan. I am a fan of the old Big East. The new Big East as much as you guys want to paint it out to be just is not the same. You don't lose Syracuse, UConn, Pitt, Notre Dame, Louisville, or even Cincy recently, and just move on like nothing happened. I mean that's 5 championships in 15 years- I mean national championships. Forget Big East Championships, those teams had 11 championships in that time frame. WV and BC have as many titles in the last 15 years as current Big east schools do. I'm just not a lemming and think that all is perfect- that's just not the case.

Does the Big East have potential to be a very good conference? Yes, of course it does. You have teams in here that have been really great in the past. But, there's that word- the past. Of the 7 C7 schools, how many are riding on high right now? Marquette maybe, but other than that? I know the Hoya's aren't. St Johns and Nova aren't. Depaul and Seton Hall aren't. Providence seems to be on the uptick, but they aren't where they were back with Pitino, Barnes, and Gillen. Not yet at least. For the newbies, Xavier I like a lot even with last year. Butler you just don't know with a new coach what they're going to be like- especially at a whole new level.... Creighton, lets see them in 2 years after McDermott leaves.

If this was 1990, this collection of teams would have been amazing. But, it's not 1990. Also, the question of any non football league now in days- it's just not been done on the level we're trying to do it at. So, there's uncertainty.

you're funny.

I mean, do you REALLY truly think it's the same as it's always been? That we can lose some damn good programs and not see ANY drop off at all? I mean, really?

(09-04-2013 03:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  you're funny.

I mean, do you REALLY truly think it's the same as it's always been? That we can lose some damn good programs and not see ANY drop off at all? I mean, really?

You are the most negative fan ever! Can you find anything positive about anything Big East? Go join the ACC or AAC board....geesh. You are a real downer!

By not answering the question, you answer the question. I'm sorry, but I don't think a fan just has to accept that it's great with no questions asked. I have a lot of respect for Melky because of how he is with UConn. I don't necessarily agree with him how bad it is, but I respect his postition a lot.

Billyjack, please turn on your PM.

(09-04-2013 02:58 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I'm a Georgetown fan and I am a huge basketball fan. I am a fan of the old Big East. The new Big East as much as you guys want to paint it out to be just is not the same. You don't lose Syracuse, UConn, Pitt, Notre Dame, Louisville, or even Cincy recently, and just move on like nothing happened. I mean that's 5 championships in 15 years- I mean national championships. Forget Big East Championships, those teams had 11 championships in that time frame. WV and BC have as many titles in the last 15 years as current Big east schools do. I'm just not a lemming and think that all is perfect- that's just not the case.

Does the Big East have potential to be a very good conference? Yes, of course it does. You have teams in here that have been really great in the past. But, there's that word- the past. Of the 7 C7 schools, how many are riding on high right now? Marquette maybe, but other than that? I know the Hoya's aren't. St Johns and Nova aren't. Depaul and Seton Hall aren't. Providence seems to be on the uptick, but they aren't where they were back with Pitino, Barnes, and Gillen. Not yet at least. For the newbies, Xavier I like a lot even with last year. Butler you just don't know with a new coach what they're going to be like- especially at a whole new level.... Creighton, lets see them in 2 years after McDermott leaves.

If this was 1990, this collection of teams would have been amazing. But, it's not 1990. Also, the question of any non football league now in days- it's just not been done on the level we're trying to do it at. So, there's uncertainty.

What difference does/did it make?

Did you feel some kind of pride in being associated with all those championships when it wasn't your team winning them? Your team has been spitting the bit year after year since their high point in 2007. Was it a consolation for you to watch Louisville, and UConn win championships in the past few years?

And then there was the endless blame game played by the dysfunctional football group, constantly scapegoating the Catholic schools for the problems they created. Did you enjoy being their butt boy?

Some things are more important than championships. Like pride, self-respect, and showing some backbone.

Fact is that the Catholic schools are in a far better position now to realize their own potential than they were in the recent incarnation of the Big East. That's a good thing, a positive development.

Fact is that the Catholic schools gave the finger to the football schools, the old FU by deciding to leave them instead of the other way around. Take some pride in the fact that your administration and the others collectively decided not to be pushed around any more.

Fact is that we now have a viable basketball-first conference with a group of schools with a clear identity, which returns The Big East to its roots. This is a tremendous development for college basketball in general. In college athletics, the football conferences ate the local bullies. Finally someone has decided to fight back.

As for the long term future of The Big East, it is very bright. Regardless of any of the particulars at this moment, Villanova, Georgetown, and Marquette have demonstrated in the past decade or so that they can once again compete at the highest levels. That's reassuring because there had been doubt. Butler too has demonstrated that it is a place where a championship contender can be built

In terms of the immediate future - like right now - in addition to Georgetown, Villanova, and Marquette, Creighton, St. John's and Providence are loaded. All 6 of those teams are capable of deep runs in this year's tournament. That means that there's a lot to look forward to right now. I'm not in the business of making predictions, but I know that it's going to be fun watching this season play out.

If you can't enjoy all that, fine with me. I understand how you feel. I'm a UConn season ticket holder and I hate the thought of being in the AAC. I will root for UConn but I wll not follow the conference. My interest in a conference will be with the Big East. I'll even get to an occasional Big East game even though it is not convenient for me.

It sounds like your feelings toward the Big East are a lot like mine toward the AAC. So, my suggestion is that you root for your Hoyas, but follow the conference that you're interested in, which appears to be the ACC, judging by the schools you keep mentioning. Ignore the Big East. You'll be much happier.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying Melky. I just think there is a decent amount of risk involved in doing this. It seems like everyone on here just wants to ignore that and just looks at everything with rose colored glasses. Maybe I'm too negative, but conversely, I think others are too positive, don't want to acknowledge the challenges that we face.

Oh, and trust me, I do not like ACC basketball at all. Never have. Being here in DC watched a bit of it and it's just not my cup of tea. I think it will be fascinating to see how the ACC is changed by all the newcomers.

I think this season is one that will be just fascinating to watch. Where exactly do the ACC, Big East, and AAC fall out with their changes. Where does the A10 fit in everything? I will say, can't wait to see Gus and Bill calling BE games constantly.

I kind of like now in my area, I'll have Big Ten, Big East, and ACC ball really close. And, even Big 12 and AAC ball not too far away. Now.... if we can just work on the Pac 12 :) (Oh, and of course, the A10 is really here as well with GMU joining GW this year) Might have to go watch Havoc in person with VCU.... Going to be a lot of fun. And the season starts in what 9 weeks from tomorrow?