(08-14-2013 01:52 PM)psualltheway5 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:51 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:50 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:11 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:10 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Can't answer it either huh?

Nope. Frankly, I have no idea. Now, answer my question: What does it matter to you, and how is it relevant to whether or not two consenting adults can marry?

Don't like gay marriage? Don't marry a gay person.

Don't like that gays can't marry? Don't be gay and expect to be married.

Wait. What?

It seems like this argument is teetering towards LSU and others thinking being gay is a choice...

First of all, Smaug, my response made as much sense as yours did which is why I posted something that lacks any logic (purposely). Secondly, psualltheway, there's already a thread about gay being a choice or not. Nothing to teeter about.

(08-14-2013 02:01 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:57 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:55 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:34 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:31 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  It has to do with being open to procreation. It isn't that difficult to grasp.

We're not currently open to procreation. I have no plans to be in the future.

I'm living in sin?

That's what you're telling me?

Yall aren't a gay couple, what is your point?

But if his wife gets pregnant, they plan to abort it. That would be worse than being a gay couple.

I never said that. Interesting, though, that you place degrees on sin level.

My Baptist pastor once told me, God doesn't weight sins, but man does. I asked him what he meant by that. He said, to God, sin is sin is sin, but would you rather live next door to a liar or a murderer?

Not that any of this is material to whether or not gays should enjoy the legal sanction of marriage, which I don't believe has been addressed much.

Destruction of innocent human life is the highest level of sin IMO. Having consensual gay sex in itself is no more a sin than snorting a line of cocaine. It is forgivable for those who seek forgiveness. The movement of having "pride", propagandizing, and being unrepentant over it is what is particularly worrisome.

(08-14-2013 02:08 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:01 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:57 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:55 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:34 PM)Smaug Wrote:  We're not currently open to procreation. I have no plans to be in the future.

I'm living in sin?

That's what you're telling me?

Yall aren't a gay couple, what is your point?

But if his wife gets pregnant, they plan to abort it. That would be worse than being a gay couple.

I never said that. Interesting, though, that you place degrees on sin level.

My Baptist pastor once told me, God doesn't weight sins, but man does. I asked him what he meant by that. He said, to God, sin is sin is sin, but would you rather live next door to a liar or a murderer?

Not that any of this is material to whether or not gays should enjoy the legal sanction of marriage, which I don't believe has been addressed much.

Destruction of innocent human life is the highest level of sin IMO. Having consensual gay sex in itself is no more a sin than snorting a line of cocaine. It is forgivable for those who seek forgiveness. The movement of having "pride", propagandizing, and being unrepentant over it is what is particularly worrisome.

Well, now that we've established I'm going to hell, what is American about allowing some adults privileges and protections that other adults are denied?

You love America, right?

(08-14-2013 02:08 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:01 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:57 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:55 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:34 PM)Smaug Wrote:  We're not currently open to procreation. I have no plans to be in the future.

I'm living in sin?

That's what you're telling me?

Yall aren't a gay couple, what is your point?

But if his wife gets pregnant, they plan to abort it. That would be worse than being a gay couple.

I never said that. Interesting, though, that you place degrees on sin level.

My Baptist pastor once told me, God doesn't weight sins, but man does. I asked him what he meant by that. He said, to God, sin is sin is sin, but would you rather live next door to a liar or a murderer?

Not that any of this is material to whether or not gays should enjoy the legal sanction of marriage, which I don't believe has been addressed much.

Destruction of innocent human life is the highest level of sin IMO. Having consensual gay sex in itself is no more a sin than snorting a line of cocaine. It is forgivable for those who seek forgiveness. The movement of having "pride", propagandizing, and being unrepentant over it is what is particularly worrisome.

Is this Rick Perry posting?

(08-14-2013 02:11 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:08 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:01 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:57 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:55 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Yall aren't a gay couple, what is your point?

But if his wife gets pregnant, they plan to abort it. That would be worse than being a gay couple.

I never said that. Interesting, though, that you place degrees on sin level.

My Baptist pastor once told me, God doesn't weight sins, but man does. I asked him what he meant by that. He said, to God, sin is sin is sin, but would you rather live next door to a liar or a murderer?

Not that any of this is material to whether or not gays should enjoy the legal sanction of marriage, which I don't believe has been addressed much.

Destruction of innocent human life is the highest level of sin IMO. Having consensual gay sex in itself is no more a sin than snorting a line of cocaine. It is forgivable for those who seek forgiveness. The movement of having "pride", propagandizing, and being unrepentant over it is what is particularly worrisome.

Well, now that we've established I'm going to hell, what is American about allowing some adults privileges and protections that other adults are denied?

You love America, right?

Good stuff, Smaug.

(08-14-2013 02:11 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:08 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:01 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:57 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:55 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Yall aren't a gay couple, what is your point?

But if his wife gets pregnant, they plan to abort it. That would be worse than being a gay couple.

I never said that. Interesting, though, that you place degrees on sin level.

My Baptist pastor once told me, God doesn't weight sins, but man does. I asked him what he meant by that. He said, to God, sin is sin is sin, but would you rather live next door to a liar or a murderer?

Not that any of this is material to whether or not gays should enjoy the legal sanction of marriage, which I don't believe has been addressed much.

Destruction of innocent human life is the highest level of sin IMO. Having consensual gay sex in itself is no more a sin than snorting a line of cocaine. It is forgivable for those who seek forgiveness. The movement of having "pride", propagandizing, and being unrepentant over it is what is particularly worrisome.

Well, now that we've established I'm going to hell, what is American about allowing some adults privileges and protections that other adults are denied?

You love America, right?

I don't oppose legal protections and privileges. I'm talking morals, not laws.

(08-14-2013 01:54 PM)Smaug Wrote:  LSU seems to be okay with some adults getting particular legal privileges and protections that other adults can't.

That's immoral and un-American.

What kind of protection and priveledges do some Americans get that others don't? Stop being petty.

(08-14-2013 02:31 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:54 PM)Smaug Wrote:  LSU seems to be okay with some adults getting particular legal privileges and protections that other adults can't.

That's immoral and un-American.

What kind of protection and priveledges do some Americans get that others don't? Stop being petty.

Stop being obtuse.

(08-14-2013 02:12 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:11 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:08 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:01 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:57 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  But if his wife gets pregnant, they plan to abort it. That would be worse than being a gay couple.

I never said that. Interesting, though, that you place degrees on sin level.

My Baptist pastor once told me, God doesn't weight sins, but man does. I asked him what he meant by that. He said, to God, sin is sin is sin, but would you rather live next door to a liar or a murderer?

Not that any of this is material to whether or not gays should enjoy the legal sanction of marriage, which I don't believe has been addressed much.

Destruction of innocent human life is the highest level of sin IMO. Having consensual gay sex in itself is no more a sin than snorting a line of cocaine. It is forgivable for those who seek forgiveness. The movement of having "pride", propagandizing, and being unrepentant over it is what is particularly worrisome.

Well, now that we've established I'm going to hell, what is American about allowing some adults privileges and protections that other adults are denied?

You love America, right?

I don't oppose legal protections and privileges. I'm talking morals, not laws.

I'm talking legal protections.

i am amazed by the idiots on this board

"this country was founded on christian values" should not be your biggest justification for ANY law

i had this crazy idea that we we had the separation of church & state in this country

(08-14-2013 01:57 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:55 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:34 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:31 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  It has to do with being open to procreation. It isn't that difficult to grasp.

We're not currently open to procreation. I have no plans to be in the future.

I'm living in sin?

That's what you're telling me?

Yall aren't a gay couple, what is your point?

But if his wife gets pregnant, they plan to abort it. That would be worse than being a gay couple.

Well he's trying to twist this whole entire thing around to make it about a man and woman being married when it's about homos... I'm pro-life all the way brother, so you know where I stand on abortions...

(08-14-2013 02:31 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:54 PM)Smaug Wrote:  LSU seems to be okay with some adults getting particular legal privileges and protections that other adults can't.

That's immoral and un-American.

What kind of protection and priveledges do some Americans get that others don't? Stop being petty.

the rights gained in marriage

-the right to adopt or having your stepchildren get your inheritance

-the right to not get evicted or fired for being gay

(08-14-2013 12:56 PM)psualltheway5 Wrote:  It's the 21st century, yet we are still debating gay marriage, as if there is a debate. When are the righties going to realize that we aren't in the 60's anymore? Not looking to troll either, I'm sincerely wondering what arguments still exist.

If your sincere then do some research. Read a book.

******* pretend scholars.

(08-14-2013 02:39 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:31 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:54 PM)Smaug Wrote:  LSU seems to be okay with some adults getting particular legal privileges and protections that other adults can't.

That's immoral and un-American.

What kind of protection and priveledges do some Americans get that others don't? Stop being petty.

the rights gained in marriage

-the right to adopt or having your stepchildren get your inheritance

-the right to not get evicted or fired for being gay

Since when can you not will what you want to whom you want?

Who the hell gets fired for being gay and doesn't suffer legal consequences for it?

We had a gay guy working here and he actually got more chances than anyone before getting fired. He was caught 3 consecutive times for looking at gay pron while on the clock, plus several other write ups. THEN he had the nerve to threaten to sue us for firing him, saying we did it because he was gay...

(08-14-2013 02:39 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:57 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:55 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:34 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:31 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  It has to do with being open to procreation. It isn't that difficult to grasp.

We're not currently open to procreation. I have no plans to be in the future.

I'm living in sin?

That's what you're telling me?

Yall aren't a gay couple, what is your point?

But if his wife gets pregnant, they plan to abort it. That would be worse than being a gay couple.

Well he's trying to twist this whole entire thing around to make it about a man and woman being married when it's about homos... I'm pro-life all the way brother, so you know where I stand on abortions...

Actually, it started when he made the assertion that the purpose of marriage was to make babies.

By the way, apparently if you have sex without the intent to propagate the species, you're gonna burn.

(08-14-2013 02:32 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:31 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:54 PM)Smaug Wrote:  LSU seems to be okay with some adults getting particular legal privileges and protections that other adults can't.

That's immoral and un-American.

What kind of protection and priveledges do some Americans get that others don't? Stop being petty.

Stop being obtuse.

Thanks for the details.

(08-14-2013 02:08 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:01 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:57 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:55 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:34 PM)Smaug Wrote:  We're not currently open to procreation. I have no plans to be in the future.

I'm living in sin?

That's what you're telling me?

Yall aren't a gay couple, what is your point?

But if his wife gets pregnant, they plan to abort it. That would be worse than being a gay couple.

I never said that. Interesting, though, that you place degrees on sin level.

My Baptist pastor once told me, God doesn't weight sins, but man does. I asked him what he meant by that. He said, to God, sin is sin is sin, but would you rather live next door to a liar or a murderer?

Not that any of this is material to whether or not gays should enjoy the legal sanction of marriage, which I don't believe has been addressed much.

Destruction of innocent human life is the highest level of sin IMO. Having consensual gay sex in itself is no more a sin than snorting a line of cocaine. It is forgivable for those who seek forgiveness. The movement of having "pride", propagandizing, and being unrepentant over it is what is particularly worrisome.

So, what about all the times I've had sex with my wife when procreating was the last thing on my mind, and no baby resulted?

Was that a sin?

(08-14-2013 02:37 PM)john01992 Wrote:  i am amazed by the idiots on this board

"this country was founded on christian values" should not be your biggest justification for ANY law

i had this crazy idea that we we had the separation of church & state in this country

Kinda like comparing a civil union to a traditional marriage.

(08-14-2013 02:42 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:39 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:31 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:54 PM)Smaug Wrote:  LSU seems to be okay with some adults getting particular legal privileges and protections that other adults can't.

That's immoral and un-American.

What kind of protection and priveledges do some Americans get that others don't? Stop being petty.

the rights gained in marriage

-the right to adopt or having your stepchildren get your inheritance

-the right to not get evicted or fired for being gay

Since when can you not will what you want to whom you want?

Who the hell gets fired for being gay and doesn't suffer legal consequences for it?

We had a gay guy working here and he actually got more chances than anyone before getting fired. He was caught 3 consecutive times for looking at gay pron while on the clock, plus several other write ups. THEN he had the nerve to threaten to sue us for firing him, saying we did it because he was gay...

in MS you can be fired/evicted just for being gay and its an actual law.....

but yeah keep using your one example as what you think happens everywhere if you want to continue to be a bigoted prick

(08-14-2013 02:52 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:37 PM)john01992 Wrote:  i am amazed by the idiots on this board

"this country was founded on christian values" should not be your biggest justification for ANY law

i had this crazy idea that we we had the separation of church & state in this country

Kinda like comparing a civil union to a traditional marriage.

So we're arguing semantics.