(07-25-2013 08:32 AM)Smaug Wrote:  So, did northerners buy any of those cheaper cars?

Turns out leftists like Nader may have been a big influence in spurring competition for Detroit.

http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/w...t-divorce/

This is what a well-written essay looks like. There's much content here as it spans the many facets of life that are all inter-connected.

(07-25-2013 07:43 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  And finally, if the north is so great, how about passing laws that stop all your retirees from moving to the south.

This. Living in Raleigh/Durham I hear more yankee accents then I do Southern accents. I've lived my whole life in the south and most of the people I grew up with stayed in the south, however you sure do see a lot of people from the Northern states moving to the Carolina's, Georgia, Florida and Tennessee. I wonder why that is?

Warm weather? Check
Low cost of living? Check
Better looking women? Check

Meh, Typical Northerner stereotyping Southerners. The premise that states having a right to work law is sapping the Northern states is probably the most ludicrous statement I have ever heard. But then again this guy is a socialist and I wouldn't expect anything different from his ignorant ass.

(07-25-2013 09:07 AM)bevotex Wrote:  Meh, Typical Northerner stereotyping Southerners. The premise that states having a right to work law is sapping the Northern states is probably the most ludicrous statement I have ever heard. But then again this guy is a socialist and I wouldn't expect anything different from his ignorant evil ass.

FIFY.

Socialists hate competition, it destroys their mechanism for control.

(07-25-2013 08:39 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Chuck Thompson is pretty stupid. Guy lacks a lot of common sense.

All I see is bashing on the white southerner. How this guy brings in his altered history to prove his point that the Civil War was about slavery. Good luck finding that in actualy history books dated before the dawn of the PC era. Back when they had no reason to candy coat or walk on egg shells. Then they talk about "the eventual president carried just 10, 11, and 14 percent of the white vote in Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana respectively,” Thompson writes. “An influential percentage of poor, uneducated, underserved, insurance-less white southerners..." Then he states the average income.

This guy must not realize that a vast majority of the poor, uneducated, underserved, and insuranceless people in the south are black. Nor does he realize that the cost of living is much lower.

I almost kind of feel sorry for Thompson, he contradicts himself throughout his entire article. Very typical of people like that.

I finally read the article and HOLY Crap... if this isn't satire, this is a whole MODICUM of stupidity for whomever this guy is and these arguments that he's agreeing with.

Quote: In fact, for both sides, an exciting by-product of separation would be an explosion of southern tourism.

HUH? Like Northerners don't go south anyway.. and southerners don't visit the big cities up north?

Quote:“With time, Americans would start thinking of the South as another Mexico, only with a more corrupt government.”

Chicago? Detroit? New YorK? Washington D.C.? Do we really want to start comparing northern and southern politiians?

Quote:“The South has operated like a competing nation in cannibalizing and degrading Michigan and the American auto industry.”

Oh noes!! The South has made industries work... and the northern states are failing to compete!!

Quote:… [A] union based on such a diametrically opposed approach to social organization—uncompromising Bible literalism versus protean secular law—is like a bad marriage that needs to end in order to save the children.

Sure... I'm pretty sure that those South Carolinians really needed a union to tell them how to live.. and then everything would be hunky dory and Boeing would have moved right in.

Quote:“All these gloom and doomers … whining about a world on the brink of extinction are descendants of the Lost Cause defeatism fostered and fetishized in post Civil War southern churches. …

HUH? What the hell does this even mean?

This is my favorite part:

Quote:According to a 2009 survey by Grand Valley State University, annual salaries for autoworkers in Alabama, Tennessee and South Carolina averaged about $55,400, while their counterparts in Michigan averaged $74,500

And the COST OF LIVING in Alabama, Tennessee ,and SC compared to Michigan is?????

Mr. Barra is a complete idiot in this article...

(07-25-2013 08:32 AM)Smaug Wrote:  So, did northerners buy any of those cheaper cars?

He makes a point that if the south were it's own separate country, you could then tax those cars as imports. It's hyperbole but interesting to ponder.

(07-25-2013 09:30 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  This is my favorite part:

Quote:According to a 2009 survey by Grand Valley State University, annual salaries for autoworkers in Alabama, Tennessee and South Carolina averaged about $55,400, while their counterparts in Michigan averaged $74,500

And the COST OF LIVING in Alabama, Tennessee ,and SC compared to Michigan is?????

Don't forget union dues.

Quote:Mr. Barra is a complete idiot in this article...

As is anyone who thinks this is a well-written article.

(07-25-2013 08:32 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 07:56 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 07:47 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 07:43 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

Let me know when a southern city the size of Detroit goes bankrupt.

JeffCo?

The alternet article started out w/ a ficticious premise, and went from there. It's nonsense, but w/ simple words so that imbizzle could understand it.

Here's another perspective

http://www.nationalreview.com/node/352546/print

The article addresses both of your points. This is a quote from Thompson's book, which is mostly garbage, but the line “The South has operated like a competing nation in cannibalizing and degrading Michigan and the American auto industry.” is so true. Northerners are tired of paying higher taxes to support their free-loading cousins.

Thats just bull**** and you know it.

Yes. Hence, the emoticon I placed after the sentence. There is a small amount of truth in it.

(07-25-2013 08:39 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Chuck Thompson is pretty stupid. Guy lacks a lot of common sense.

All I see is bashing on the white southerner. How this guy brings in his altered history to prove his point that the Civil War was about slavery. Good luck finding that in actualy history books dated before the dawn of the PC era. Back when they had no reason to candy coat or walk on egg shells. Then they talk about "the eventual president carried just 10, 11, and 14 percent of the white vote in Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana respectively,” Thompson writes. “An influential percentage of poor, uneducated, underserved, insurance-less white southerners..." Then he states the average income.

This guy must not realize that a vast majority of the poor, uneducated, underserved, and insuranceless people in the south are black. Nor does he realize that the cost of living is much lower.

I almost kind of feel sorry for Thompson, he contradicts himself throughout his entire article. Very typical of people like that.

Thompson didn't write this article. Allen Barra did, a southerner. He has some of the same problems that you do with Thompson.

(07-25-2013 08:28 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 08:19 AM)VA49er Wrote:  No, the south isn't dragging anyone down. Did the south cause Detroit to go bankrupt?

Imbizzle is claiming "yes," b/c the south allowed auto manufacturers to sell cars at lower prices than those in Detroit. That ignores a whole lot of details that don't support the simple-minded thesis.

You are just an angry and bitter man.

(07-25-2013 08:49 AM)LSEwwww04_08 Wrote:  Is it just me, or is the author of this article that wormbizzle posted just dogging out Chuck Thompson for what he said? I stopped reading after he started talking about football as I didn't think it tied in to the story... But I also have someone talking in my ear while I type and read...

Yes, that is correct.

(07-25-2013 09:38 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 08:32 AM)Smaug Wrote:  So, did northerners buy any of those cheaper cars?

He makes a point that if the south were it's own separate country, you could then tax those cars as imports. It's hyperbole but interesting to ponder.

Who is "you"?

Does he forget that cuts both ways? Tariffs have been Detroit's big complaint about Asia for decades...now this guy says more tariffs will help?

There is a reason why logic used to be regarded highly as a fundamental element of education.

(07-25-2013 09:38 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 08:32 AM)Smaug Wrote:  So, did northerners buy any of those cheaper cars?

He makes a point that if the south were it's own separate country, you could then tax those cars as imports. It's hyperbole but interesting to ponder.

And if your Aunt Minnie had a mustache, she'd be your Uncle Fred. My point is that most Americans prefer cheaper cars that don't suck.

Damn them all to hell.

(07-25-2013 08:56 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  It is very telling that the author slams Southern voters for actually voting against policies and politicians that offer them the most "stuff", mocking the idea that voting out of principle is somehow inferior to voting out of self-serving interests.

There really is a huge difference in how liberals and conversatives view the role of politicians and government.........

It's the new civil war.

(07-25-2013 09:44 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 08:28 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 08:19 AM)VA49er Wrote:  No, the south isn't dragging anyone down. Did the south cause Detroit to go bankrupt?

Imbizzle is claiming "yes," b/c the south allowed auto manufacturers to sell cars at lower prices than those in Detroit. That ignores a whole lot of details that don't support the simple-minded thesis.

You are just an angry and bitter man.

Leftist like to complain that "right-wing nut jobs" unfairly call Obama a Communist.

What is a better definition of Communism, than Government setting pricing on cars? The Government runs the Unions (and vice versa), so you are essentially advocating Communism while trying to change the definition so the dirty word doesn't apply to you and yours.

That's the definition of the Oconomy ®. Lies, BS, and no jobs.

(07-25-2013 09:45 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 08:49 AM)LSEwwww04_08 Wrote:  Is it just me, or is the author of this article that wormbizzle posted just dogging out Chuck Thompson for what he said? I stopped reading after he started talking about football as I didn't think it tied in to the story... But I also have someone talking in my ear while I type and read...

Yes, that is correct.

Lol, I see what you did there...

(07-25-2013 08:32 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  Yes, we're dragging them down. Down south. Where taxes are low. Jobs exist. People aren't a55holes all the time. Summer. Better schools. Less crime. No unions. Affordable housing. Christian values. Shall I go on?

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

Better schools? Less crime? Please go on. I would love to read some more of your stupidity because it is hilarious.

(07-25-2013 08:41 AM)Smaug Wrote:  Poor, uneducated whites are still on the "okay to mock" list, I see.

Yep. That is why we mock you, Liberty, SOAF, Torchy, LSU guy, and many more on here.

(07-25-2013 08:32 AM)Smaug Wrote:  So, did northerners buy any of those cheaper cars?

Probably. It is to their detriment though. The cars Toyota builds in the Confederate states are more poorly built than the same car in Japan. Wonder why that is?

(07-25-2013 11:45 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-25-2013 08:41 AM)Smaug Wrote:  Poor, uneducated whites are still on the "okay to mock" list, I see.

Yep. That is why we mock you, Liberty, SOAF, Torchy, LSU guy, and many more on here.

Heh, Jerry thinks I'm black.

As for drooling idiots from Illinois, I guess there's you and the president.