(07-23-2013 01:56 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 10:34 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  You should be extremely happy you don't have one set of elitist bastards from one school dominating the funding and politics of your system for the benefit on just one school at the expense of the others.

No, they have that. It's Albany. Not exactly "elitist," but entitled based on their location.

But smAlbany just lost their best claim to being on the same academic level as the other centers..

http://online.wsj.com/article/APfbe4e662...%3Darticle

The pointed debate was rare in public in Albany, but ultimately SUNY trustees approved a major step in separating the College of Nanoscale Science and Engineering from the University at Albany for the 2014-15 academic year.

(07-23-2013 02:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  If they wanted an impressive, victorious sounding name, that identified them with their state they should change their name to "The Empire State University" and then the Bull would be identified with prosperous times on Wall Street.

This is a great suggestion. Unfortunately, I think some of the others are correct that the SUNY system wouldn't go for it.

SUNY also isn't as recognizable as "New York" or "New York State".

(07-23-2013 07:30 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  SUNY also isn't as recognizable as "New York" or "New York State".

Suny sounds like a Korean knockoff of an expensive piece of Japanese electronics. It really does need to be changed.

Buffalo has as much to do with New York as El Paso has to do with Texas.

(07-23-2013 02:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  If they wanted an impressive, victorious sounding name, that identified them with their state they should change their name to "The Empire State University" and then the Bull would be identified with prosperous times on Wall Street.

Actually the Empire State College is already used for the small community campuses (or campi for those who went to Catholic high schools) that run out of storefronts.

Everyone's forgetting that Buffalo's a former private school that joined the SUNY system in the 60s to try to stay relevant after the decline of Buffalo in the early 1900s.

This history is the main reason why Buffalo has a higher endowment and a built up graduate program - the SUNY system was the last public university system setup in the US and there was a strong presence of private universities in NY already. The only way to get the political buy-in to setup the SUNYs in the first place was to structure it so that it competed with the private schools as little as possible, which usually meant no private fundraising, D-1 sports, etc. University of Buffalo was grand-fathered in.

This is why many realignment junkies push Buffalo because it looks like the strongest SUNY on paper - but in reality it's the #3 SUNY in terms of student selectivity after Binghamton and Stonybrook. It's also located in a corner of NY that's a 6 hours drive from NYC where 80% of NY's population lives. To put this in perspective here are a list of D-1 schools located closer to NYC :

Rutgers
Syracuse
Penn State
Pitt
Maryland
UVA
UConn
Boston College
UMass
WVU

This whole rebranding effort is cute but anyone who thinks this will actually matter in the big scheme of big time college sports is fooling themselves or based out of West NY and think the Big Ten / ACC is interested in dominating a DMA of just 3M

(07-23-2013 07:30 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  SUNY also isn't as recognizable as "New York" or "New York State".

Could not agree more on SUNY

I think the two biggest centers Buffalo and Stony Brook should petition for a system name change to New York State University at (center)...

Then fight it out over the at part..

(07-23-2013 07:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Buffalo has as much to do with New York as El Paso has to do with Texas.

Umm Buffalo is (1) the second largest city in the state and (2) the largest sate university in the state...

Buffalo has more to do with New York than El Paso has to do with Texas and they have a heck of a lot more to do with NY than Athens has to do with Ohio.

(07-24-2013 01:45 AM)woomba Wrote:  This is why many realignment junkies push Buffalo because it looks like the strongest SUNY on paper - but in reality it's the #3 SUNY in terms of student selectivity after Binghamton and Stonybrook. It's also located in a corner of NY that's a 6 hours drive from NYC where 80% of NY's population lives. To put this in perspective here are a list of D-1 schools located closer to NYC

There is not a big enough difference in selectivity between bingo, Buffalo, and Stony Brook for any of those schools to point fingers. They are all solid.

Bingo is a very good undergrad school, maybe the best in SUNY, but with 13K it's still the same look as a mid size private school. Stony brook is the only serious peer institution that Buffalo has in the system.

By the way, Buffalo's D1 programs were grandfathered in in 1960 but the states ban on raising funds still applied. That and the ban on scholarships meant UB's back was broke by 1970 and the shut down their D1 programs. In 1970 the earth was flat and no SUNY school had an edge in terms of being D1.

The reason that there is any D1 in SUNY today is because UB blazed the trail starting in 77. It was not until 84 that they convinced the state to change rules. Bingo, smAlbany, and Story Brook have been riding our coat tails ever since. Heck UB had been fighting for years to get some of the autonomy measures which were just granted to all the centers. Once again, you're welcome..

(07-24-2013 02:06 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 07:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Buffalo has as much to do with New York as El Paso has to do with Texas.

Umm Buffalo is (1) the second largest city in the state and (2) the largest sate university in the state...

Buffalo has more to do with New York than El Paso has to do with Texas and they have a heck of a lot more to do with NY than Athens has to do with Ohio.

Buffalo is crap on a stick........Ohio rules supreme.

There is only one flagship in all of NCAA and Ohio is it!!

By the way, and just for accuracy, Buffalo's actual name is The State University of New York at Buffalo. It is most often shortened to The University at Buffalo. Note the "at" versus the standard "of."

The SUNY colleges use a slightly different name system. For example, there is a separate school The State University of New York College at Buffalo, usually referred to as Buffalo State.

In all likelihood this move is about a decade too late for them if their hope is to get into a major conference. Had they done this in the 80's or 90's they could have very well ended up being a player but it really is too little to late for them at this point.

Why not just change the name of the university to New York State?

(07-24-2013 08:16 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  In all likelihood this move is about a decade too late for them if their hope is to get into a major conference. Had they done this in the 80's or 90's they could have very well ended up being a player but it really is too little to late for them at this point.

It's a decade too late for UB to get in before 2020-2030...

But if you think the P5 separating will be "the end" you're sadly mistaken.

(07-24-2013 10:55 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-24-2013 08:16 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  In all likelihood this move is about a decade too late for them if their hope is to get into a major conference. Had they done this in the 80's or 90's they could have very well ended up being a player but it really is too little to late for them at this point.

It's a decade too late for UB to get in before 2020-2030...

But if you think the P5 separating will be "the end" you're sadly mistaken.

After the split, SUNY at Buffalo will be NY's DII college team and make us all proud Obviously Army will still be the most popular public school in the state but Buffalo should have the title of most popular state of NY school in the state

...unless Stony Brook makes a jump, or Albany lax gets really, really good

EDIT: Before anyone has a heart attack, I'm just giving SUNY at Buffalo a hard time. I think that it's a great move by Buffalo. You won't overtake Syracuse, but you will improve your position and, in the event of a split, I can see SUNY at Buffalo being a formidable g5 power.

the state university of new york at buffalo

sunyab

wow this is catchy...non confusing; and will light the rest of the college football world on fire...

That Danny White sure is one smart fella.

(07-24-2013 10:55 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-24-2013 08:16 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  In all likelihood this move is about a decade too late for them if their hope is to get into a major conference. Had they done this in the 80's or 90's they could have very well ended up being a player but it really is too little to late for them at this point.

It's a decade too late for UB to get in before 2020-2030...

But if you think the P5 separating will be "the end" you're sadly mistaken.

The number of seats available in P5 has already shrunk considerably. By 2030 there is a good chance they will all be filled.

(07-24-2013 11:22 AM)No Bull Wrote:  the state university of new york at buffalo

sunyab

wow this is catchy...non confusing; and will light the rest of the college football world on fire...

That Danny White sure is one smart fella.

Ummm Danny white had nothing to do with that name.. He's trying to rectify en entrenched 60 year old naming mistake..

(07-24-2013 11:22 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(07-24-2013 10:55 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-24-2013 08:16 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  In all likelihood this move is about a decade too late for them if their hope is to get into a major conference. Had they done this in the 80's or 90's they could have very well ended up being a player but it really is too little to late for them at this point.

It's a decade too late for UB to get in before 2020-2030...

But if you think the P5 separating will be "the end" you're sadly mistaken.

The number of seats available in P5 has already shrunk considerably. By 2030 there is a good chance they will all be filled.

Honestly the schools that need to be *most* concerned about the spit are the Minnesota's, Iowa State's, ....

At some point, if there is a split, the big fish will look at them the same way they look at the G5 now.

Trying to predict how many seats will be in the P5, who will be there, and how they will relate to the rest of college athletics in 15 years is a fools errand.