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If the SEC did expand again and did so from the Big 12 who should we take and why?
(02-13-2020 07:33 AM)murrdcu Wrote: (02-13-2020 05:03 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote: (02-13-2020 01:37 AM)JRsec Wrote: (02-13-2020 01:19 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote: (02-12-2020 09:37 PM)murrdcu Wrote: The Big Ten and the BTN could make a fortune off of subscribtion fees if they add a few PAC schools from the right states. If there is ever a want or need for a set of schools to evaluate realignment, the PAC schools are at that point. Not the Big 12. Not the ACC. The PAC.
Well, we're already technically in the Mountain Time Zone with a chunk of Nebraska. So Colorado would be an acceptable add. The question is do we add another school in that time zone or see if something opens up in CA or back East. Colorado and Oklahoma is something that the conference might swing for, to create a more familiar neighborhood for Nebraska.
However, my better idea would be Colorado and Utah to B1G, Kansas and Oklahoma to SEC and Texas & friends to PAC (possibly elevating Colorado State or New Mexico by necessity).
Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State
Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC
Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado State, Texas Tech
Texas, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Iowa State
Utah, Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa
Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Michigan
Northwestern, Illinois, Ohio State, Purdue
Indiana, Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers
Would Utah be worth it? And if you took Colorado and Utah, would that not cause a run on the rest? Texas could stabilize that but for how long?
There's a lot to think about here and none of it is particularly apparent right now. But with the gaps in 2025 it may be much more transparent.
We could open up another time slot for games. For example: Ohio State-Michigan State at 1pm; Colorado-Nebraska at 4:30 pm and Iowa-Penn State at 8:00 pm. Utah and Colorado would be convenient for mid-afternoon kickoffs. Theoretically, that would create the opportunities for the noon kickoffs in the midwestern region to be pushed back to 1 to allow more time for traveling to games. That extra hour would also be convenient for pre-game events that campuses may host.
Taking them also removes two potential hangups in the PAC taking the entourage. As long as the West Coast schools don't go anywhere they could kind of re-do the expansion eastwards with UT in tow. Better than taking in another CA school or an academic dog like Boise State.
If Notre Dame were to join with Colorado then the opportunity to have a scheduling agreement with the Pac-12 would present itself. However, even with Utah, it can still happen, with PAC-B1G games in Texas, Colorado, California and Arizona.
I was thinking more along the lines of the Big Ten grabbing the core of PAC AAU’s and branded schools like UCLA, USC, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Colorado snd an Arizona school. Essentially this would be the minders version of Larry Scott trying to expand to 16 with the “best” of the Big 12 except the roles are reversed and the acquiring conference would be the B1G.
PAC 12 revenue gap would close for those selected schools while the remainders have to find new homes. Would Texas and Oklahoma want to add PAC members to the Big 12 or would they want to explore their own options given that their little brothers would probably survive nicely in a PAC/Big 12 conference without them.
I ran the idea by the B10 board and there doesn't seem to be much enthusiasm for it. However, I wouldn't discount something like this totally, being that those two conferences have a long-term relationship that also involves the Rose Bowl. That might motivate the B10 office if they knew that the Rose Bowl game would have to be taken completely under their control. For now I think a major conference based in the West Coast is still viable, depending on how they can reorganize.
In any case, a "Union-Pacific" conference would, by necessity, be without divisions, with locked opponents for up to 5 games a season. Games like USC-UCLA, Michigan-Ohio State, etc., need to be preserved to make it work.
Maybe Texas works out a deal with the Big 12 where they can play five or six CFB games a season with them and then schedule the rest how they wish. Oklahoma and Kansas would then be free to head to the SEC.
Big 12: Iowa State, Kansas State, TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, West Virginia, Utah, Arizona State, Oklahoma State
They probably wouldn't need more than that. 8 regular season games allow them space to play regional games for fan interest.
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