(06-24-2013 11:26 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 11:15 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 10:07 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 12:15 PM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  As John Oliver of the Daily Show put it "The President's NSA excuse of "we only spy on foreigners" doesn't play so well with umm, foreigners"

People don't like being told what they already know.

Foreigners don't vote or pay taxes normally in the US. They are still collecting information on US citizens so there is a lot of potential to look at that information later on. Some would consider the retention of information spying, whether anyone is actively looking at it or not.

Just saying countries have been spying on each other in modern times since way before the Cold War. These countries acting in bewilderment in finding out the US spies on them is silly. They know it happens. They do it also.

Absolutely. The Russians and Chinese have gained decades of advancement by doing it to us and our allies. Other countries do it also. It's in their best interest a lot of times. That's why I get so upset when I hear about them being so successful.

(06-24-2013 11:41 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 11:26 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 11:15 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 10:07 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-22-2013 12:15 PM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  As John Oliver of the Daily Show put it "The President's NSA excuse of "we only spy on foreigners" doesn't play so well with umm, foreigners"

People don't like being told what they already know.

Foreigners don't vote or pay taxes normally in the US. They are still collecting information on US citizens so there is a lot of potential to look at that information later on. Some would consider the retention of information spying, whether anyone is actively looking at it or not.

Just saying countries have been spying on each other in modern times since way before the Cold War. These countries acting in bewilderment in finding out the US spies on them is silly. They know it happens. They do it also.

Absolutely. The Russians and Chinese have gained decades of advancement by doing it to us and our allies. Other countries do it also. It's in their best interest a lot of times. That's why I get so upset when I hear about them being so successful.

That's why I think this is as much a PR nightmare for the US than anything else. All those countries do it as well, the US just got caught this time. The fact it was an American turning on his own country makes it even more outstanding for our traditional foes.

Though the U.S. revoked Snowden's passport, Assange revealed that Snowden was supplied with a refugee document when he left Hong Kong by the Ecuadorian government, allowing him to travel.
But Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., wrote a terse letter to Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak saying that, if Snowden is still in Russia, Moscow should turn him over. Anyone else thinking that the Russians are having a good laugh right now.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/...or-asylum/

(06-24-2013 09:51 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Cannot wait until Obama unleashes his new attempt to get the country into a situation of accepting Cap and Trade
this week. He has a lot of friends depending on making their next billion dollars from that.

Is that idiot pushing cap and trade again? Is the economy not bad enough for him?

(06-24-2013 01:46 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 09:51 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Cannot wait until Obama unleashes his new attempt to get the country into a situation of accepting Cap and Trade
this week. He has a lot of friends depending on making their next billion dollars from that.

Is that idiot pushing cap and trade again? Is the economy not bad enough for him?

That's what they say. Five years ago if someone wrote down that this would happen, no one would have believed it.