(06-21-2013 01:34 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(06-21-2013 01:28 PM)49erlew Wrote:  

(06-21-2013 01:18 PM)blueraider315 Wrote:  

(06-21-2013 08:17 AM)49erlew Wrote:  

(06-21-2013 07:52 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  At the risk of coming off as bragging, it's really more about just us than it is any system-wide concerns. The university's growth has been astronomical over the past 20 years even while annually receiving the lowest funding per student nearly every year over that period. As such there has been a great deal of animosity that has built up among other Tennessee state insitutions particularly those in the mid-state like TSU, Tennessee Tech and Austin Peay. They have seen our growth as a detriment to their mission. Of course, there are similar issues to what UAB deals with, because the UT system doesn't want to see anyone within the state threaten its influence of power. Albeit to a lesser degree there is resistance from Memphis as well, because they feel slighted being outside of the Nashville corridor of political influence even though they get more money than MT does. That said, most institutions have now carved out niche's. ETSU, Memphis, MT, UT, Tennessee Tech and TSU all have their core programs and niche's and for that most part there is a lot of variety there. APSU is an outlier, because they don't really add anything new you can't get from one of the other schools.

At the end of the day all of these influences are conspiring to prevent what other state intitutions feel would be a risk to them by allowing us to change our name and thus market ourselves as something that we have already become. Ironically not only have we become the premier state university in middle Tennessee but in a lot of ways we have across the entire state. We have the largest undergraduate enrollment of any school in the state and pull more high school valectdorians into the university than any other institution in Tennessee including UT.

Lastly, as mentioned previously it doesn't help that the President has refused to even engage in the debate about it. Contrary to what one of our other posters said I don't beleive it has anything to do with his political clout it has more to do with his unwillingness to engage what would be a contentious and controversial issue. There are some within our own community who don't understand the benefits and are unwilling to listen to them or who just don't like change. The President is nearing the end of his career and simply doesn't want to deal with any more controversy if he can avoid it, and unfortunatley there are some who don't support the name change, because they simply can't grasp how it would benefit the university.

Are you sure you're not talking about us? Damn.

U of C and U of MT. Stand together.

Seriously though, how arrogant of Memphis... it wasn't too long ago that they were in your shoes trying to fight to do the same thing you want to do. Of all of them, they ought to be on your side about this.riously though, how arrogant of Memphis... it wasn't too long ago that they were in your shoes trying to fight to do the same thing you want to do. Of all of them, they ought to be on your side about this.[/b]

And Austin Peay? Really? Who the hell are they, anyway?

They really are very arrogant and think they are a million times better than Middle Tennessee. We voted to allow them to change their name with them agreeing to let us change ours. It never happened. I could be wrong though.

Hopefully our next president will allow us the opportunity to change it.

As for McPhee it would be very controversial across TN and probably doesn't want to deal with it, but he also gave up some power within the TBR after the harassment allegations went through. So hopefully soon.

I guess we're lucky in that the state has pretty much said that if the support is there to change it, they won't stand in the way.

Problem is our Chancellor is just so set against it. I think he likes reading articles about us that refer to us as "UNC".

No, Erskine Bowles said that. He is no longer president of the UNC system, so who knows if that is still teh case. Ultimately though, I think the only thing standing in the way is ourselves. If the state wanted to put up a fight about it we could probably force the issue pretty easily. There is no way to justify allowing App State, ECU, NC State, and the other non-unc named schools to have different names within the UNC system, but not us.

We told Chapel Hill where to go about changing our name back in the 70's when you, Wilmington and few others changed to UNC@__________. Which you shouldn't have been pressured in to doing in the first place.

We were fairly new back then. We had only been a 4 year institution since 1961. We probably did need the UNC moniker attached to our name back then to give ourselves some credibility. We don't need it today. We are a Tier 1 research university with almost 27,000 students and have had a fair amount of athletic success for a young school. We can stand on our own. The city of Charlotte has also grown from a relatively unknown southern town into one of the hottest cities in the country, so the time for us to be The University of Charlotte has come. It won't happen with the current chancellor though.

At a minimum we should brand ourselves as the University of Charlotte. Changing our domain to charlotte.edu instead of uncc.edu would be a great first step.

When the UNC System was formed as the Consolidated University of North Carolina in 1965, there were only 4 member institutions.

North Carolina State University
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
The University of North Carolina at Charlotte
The North Carolina Women's College (UNC Greensboro)

The other state funded universities were folded into the System over the next decades.

UNC Charlotte is currently the 4th largest in student population; but since there's only about a 2000 student difference between UNC Charlotte, UNC Chapel Hill and East Carolina; its a statistical tie for 2nd in the state. The UNC prefix has served its purpose but today it is a hindrance on the public perception of the University. Its past time to to shed the prefix.

(06-21-2013 04:51 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  When the UNC System was formed as the Consolidated University of North Carolina in 1965, there were only 4 member institutions.

North Carolina State University
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
The University of North Carolina at Charlotte
The North Carolina Women's College (UNC Greensboro)

The other state funded universities were folded into the System over the next decades.

UNC Charlotte is currently the 4th largest in student population; but since there's only about a 2000 student difference between UNC Charlotte, UNC Chapel Hill and East Carolina; its a statistical tie for 2nd in the state. The UNC prefix has served its purpose but today it is a hindrance on the public perception of the University. Its past time to to shed the prefix.

Incorrect,

The 1931 session of the General Assembly redefined the University of North Carolina to include three state-supported institutions: the campus at Chapel Hill (now the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill), North Carolina State College (now North Carolina State University at Raleigh), and Woman's College (now the University of North Carolina at Greensboro). The new multi-campus University operated with one board of trustees and one president. By 1969, three additional campuses had joined the University through legislative action: the University of North Carolina at Charlotte, the University of North Carolina at Asheville, and the University of North Carolina at Wilmington.

Charlotte join in 1969 with Asheville, and Wilmington. The other schools refused to change their names and remained legal separate until 1971.

http://www.northcarolina.edu/about/mission.htm

(06-21-2013 04:10 PM)Niner National Wrote:  We were fairly new back then. We had only been a 4 year institution since 1961. We probably did need the UNC moniker attached to our name back then to give ourselves some credibility. We don't need it today. We are a Tier 1 research university with almost 27,000 students and have had a fair amount of athletic success for a young school. We can stand on our own. The city of Charlotte has also grown from a relatively unknown southern town into one of the hottest cities in the country, so the time for us to be The University of Charlotte has come. It won't happen with the current chancellor though.

At a minimum we should brand ourselves as the University of Charlotte. Changing our domain to charlotte.edu instead of uncc.edu would be a great first step.

Nope, it was purely political, everyone out side the Consolidated University had to fight for any funding. ECU started it's fight for inclusion in 1961 when Dr. Leo Jenskins became Chancellor of at the East Carolina College, he wanted not only inclusion, but University Status and a Med school. In 1969 an offer was made for University status and inclusion, but there was a string attached, a name change to UNC@__________. 3 took the offer, App St., ECC, and several other refused, in 1971 after threatening to remove our money from the state treasury we won our battle for inclusion, University status and the med school while keeping our name. Charlotte choice wasn't wrong, but it was one we weren't willing to make. We had been known as East Carolina for over 50 years by that point and didn't want or need the change.

(06-21-2013 05:38 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(06-21-2013 04:51 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  When the UNC System was formed as the Consolidated University of North Carolina in 1965, there were only 4 member institutions.

North Carolina State University
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
The University of North Carolina at Charlotte
The North Carolina Women's College (UNC Greensboro)

The other state funded universities were folded into the System over the next decades.

UNC Charlotte is currently the 4th largest in student population; but since there's only about a 2000 student difference between UNC Charlotte, UNC Chapel Hill and East Carolina; its a statistical tie for 2nd in the state. The UNC prefix has served its purpose but today it is a hindrance on the public perception of the University. Its past time to to shed the prefix.

Incorrect,

The 1931 session of the General Assembly redefined the University of North Carolina to include three state-supported institutions: the campus at Chapel Hill (now the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill), North Carolina State College (now North Carolina State University at Raleigh), and Woman's College (now the University of North Carolina at Greensboro). The new multi-campus University operated with one board of trustees and one president. By 1969, three additional campuses had joined the University through legislative action: the University of North Carolina at Charlotte, the University of North Carolina at Asheville, and the University of North Carolina at Wilmington.

Charlotte join in 1969 with Asheville, and Wilmington. The other schools refused to change their names and remained legal separate until 1971.

http://www.northcarolina.edu/about/mission.htm

Not incorrect, we joined the Consolidated University of North Carolina as the 4th member school in 1965. Though State, Chapel Hill and UNCG were operated as "one" school since the '30's they didn't have an official name until Charlotte joined in '65. That's when they named it the Consolidated University of North Carolina and several years later changed it to "The University of North Carolina". Commonly referred to as the UNC System to prevent confusion with Chapel Hill (same general problem we at UNC Charlotte).

Quote:By 1969, three additional campuses had joined the University through legislative action:

http://publicrelations.uncc.edu/informat...ty-history

Quote: In 1961, Charlotte College moved its growing student body into two new buildings on what was to become a 1,000-acre campus 10 miles from downtown Charlotte.

Three years later, the North Carolina legislature approved bills making Charlotte College a four-year, state-supported college. The next year, 1965, the legislature approved bills creating the University of North Carolina at Charlotte, the fourth campus of the statewide university system. In 1969, the university began offering programs leading to master’s degrees. In 1992, it was authorized to offer programs leading to doctoral degrees.

(06-21-2013 05:48 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(06-21-2013 05:38 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(06-21-2013 04:51 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  When the UNC System was formed as the Consolidated University of North Carolina in 1965, there were only 4 member institutions.

North Carolina State University
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
The University of North Carolina at Charlotte
The North Carolina Women's College (UNC Greensboro)

The other state funded universities were folded into the System over the next decades.

UNC Charlotte is currently the 4th largest in student population; but since there's only about a 2000 student difference between UNC Charlotte, UNC Chapel Hill and East Carolina; its a statistical tie for 2nd in the state. The UNC prefix has served its purpose but today it is a hindrance on the public perception of the University. Its past time to to shed the prefix.

Incorrect,

The 1931 session of the General Assembly redefined the University of North Carolina to include three state-supported institutions: the campus at Chapel Hill (now the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill), North Carolina State College (now North Carolina State University at Raleigh), and Woman's College (now the University of North Carolina at Greensboro). The new multi-campus University operated with one board of trustees and one president. By 1969, three additional campuses had joined the University through legislative action: the University of North Carolina at Charlotte, the University of North Carolina at Asheville, and the University of North Carolina at Wilmington.

Charlotte join in 1969 with Asheville, and Wilmington. The other schools refused to change their names and remained legal separate until 1971.

http://www.northcarolina.edu/about/mission.htm

Not incorrect, we joined the Consolidated University of North Carolina as the 4th member school in 1965.

Quote:By 1969, three additional campuses had joined the University through legislative action:

http://publicrelations.uncc.edu/informat...ty-history

Quote: In 1961, Charlotte College moved its growing student body into two new buildings on what was to become a 1,000-acre campus 10 miles from downtown Charlotte.

Three years later, the North Carolina legislature approved bills making Charlotte College a four-year, state-supported college. The next year, 1965, the legislature approved bills creating the University of North Carolina at Charlotte, the fourth campus of the statewide university system. In 1969, the university began offering programs leading to master’s degrees. In 1992, it was authorized to offer programs leading to doctoral degrees.

You said the consolidated University started in 1965, that is incorrect, it was started in 1931.

(06-21-2013 05:58 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(06-21-2013 05:48 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(06-21-2013 05:38 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(06-21-2013 04:51 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  When the UNC System was formed as the Consolidated University of North Carolina in 1965, there were only 4 member institutions.

North Carolina State University
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
The University of North Carolina at Charlotte
The North Carolina Women's College (UNC Greensboro)

The other state funded universities were folded into the System over the next decades.

UNC Charlotte is currently the 4th largest in student population; but since there's only about a 2000 student difference between UNC Charlotte, UNC Chapel Hill and East Carolina; its a statistical tie for 2nd in the state. The UNC prefix has served its purpose but today it is a hindrance on the public perception of the University. Its past time to to shed the prefix.

Incorrect,

The 1931 session of the General Assembly redefined the University of North Carolina to include three state-supported institutions: the campus at Chapel Hill (now the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill), North Carolina State College (now North Carolina State University at Raleigh), and Woman's College (now the University of North Carolina at Greensboro). The new multi-campus University operated with one board of trustees and one president. By 1969, three additional campuses had joined the University through legislative action: the University of North Carolina at Charlotte, the University of North Carolina at Asheville, and the University of North Carolina at Wilmington.

Charlotte join in 1969 with Asheville, and Wilmington. The other schools refused to change their names and remained legal separate until 1971.

http://www.northcarolina.edu/about/mission.htm

Not incorrect, we joined the Consolidated University of North Carolina as the 4th member school in 1965.

Quote:By 1969, three additional campuses had joined the University through legislative action:

http://publicrelations.uncc.edu/informat...ty-history

Quote: In 1961, Charlotte College moved its growing student body into two new buildings on what was to become a 1,000-acre campus 10 miles from downtown Charlotte.

Three years later, the North Carolina legislature approved bills making Charlotte College a four-year, state-supported college. The next year, 1965, the legislature approved bills creating the University of North Carolina at Charlotte, the fourth campus of the statewide university system. In 1969, the university began offering programs leading to master’s degrees. In 1992, it was authorized to offer programs leading to doctoral degrees.

You said the consolidated University started in 1965, that is incorrect, it was started in 1931.

Awesome job splitting hairs.

(06-21-2013 05:59 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(06-21-2013 05:58 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(06-21-2013 05:48 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(06-21-2013 05:38 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(06-21-2013 04:51 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  When the UNC System was formed as the Consolidated University of North Carolina in 1965, there were only 4 member institutions.

North Carolina State University
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
The University of North Carolina at Charlotte
The North Carolina Women's College (UNC Greensboro)

The other state funded universities were folded into the System over the next decades.

UNC Charlotte is currently the 4th largest in student population; but since there's only about a 2000 student difference between UNC Charlotte, UNC Chapel Hill and East Carolina; its a statistical tie for 2nd in the state. The UNC prefix has served its purpose but today it is a hindrance on the public perception of the University. Its past time to to shed the prefix.

Incorrect,

The 1931 session of the General Assembly redefined the University of North Carolina to include three state-supported institutions: the campus at Chapel Hill (now the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill), North Carolina State College (now North Carolina State University at Raleigh), and Woman's College (now the University of North Carolina at Greensboro). The new multi-campus University operated with one board of trustees and one president. By 1969, three additional campuses had joined the University through legislative action: the University of North Carolina at Charlotte, the University of North Carolina at Asheville, and the University of North Carolina at Wilmington.

Charlotte join in 1969 with Asheville, and Wilmington. The other schools refused to change their names and remained legal separate until 1971.

http://www.northcarolina.edu/about/mission.htm

Not incorrect, we joined the Consolidated University of North Carolina as the 4th member school in 1965.

Quote:By 1969, three additional campuses had joined the University through legislative action:

http://publicrelations.uncc.edu/informat...ty-history

Quote: In 1961, Charlotte College moved its growing student body into two new buildings on what was to become a 1,000-acre campus 10 miles from downtown Charlotte.

Three years later, the North Carolina legislature approved bills making Charlotte College a four-year, state-supported college. The next year, 1965, the legislature approved bills creating the University of North Carolina at Charlotte, the fourth campus of the statewide university system. In 1969, the university began offering programs leading to master’s degrees. In 1992, it was authorized to offer programs leading to doctoral degrees.

You said the consolidated University started in 1965, that is incorrect, it was started in 1931.

Awesome job splitting hairs.

34 years is hardly splitting hairs, that longer than I been on this Earth by 2 years. Not that it really matters.

It's a subject that most don't know about or the political fights that caused some schools inclusion at certain times, while other were held at arms length until they threatened to remove money from the state's bank accounts. Personally I wish Charlotte and the others had joined with us to form a second separate University system, cause we both still ended up under Chapel Hill's thumb with the voting split on the BOG.

(06-21-2013 06:06 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(06-21-2013 05:59 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(06-21-2013 05:58 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(06-21-2013 05:48 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(06-21-2013 05:38 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  Incorrect,

The 1931 session of the General Assembly redefined the University of North Carolina to include three state-supported institutions: the campus at Chapel Hill (now the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill), North Carolina State College (now North Carolina State University at Raleigh), and Woman's College (now the University of North Carolina at Greensboro). The new multi-campus University operated with one board of trustees and one president. By 1969, three additional campuses had joined the University through legislative action: the University of North Carolina at Charlotte, the University of North Carolina at Asheville, and the University of North Carolina at Wilmington.

Charlotte join in 1969 with Asheville, and Wilmington. The other schools refused to change their names and remained legal separate until 1971.

http://www.northcarolina.edu/about/mission.htm

Not incorrect, we joined the Consolidated University of North Carolina as the 4th member school in 1965.

Quote:By 1969, three additional campuses had joined the University through legislative action:

http://publicrelations.uncc.edu/informat...ty-history

Quote: In 1961, Charlotte College moved its growing student body into two new buildings on what was to become a 1,000-acre campus 10 miles from downtown Charlotte.

Three years later, the North Carolina legislature approved bills making Charlotte College a four-year, state-supported college. The next year, 1965, the legislature approved bills creating the University of North Carolina at Charlotte, the fourth campus of the statewide university system. In 1969, the university began offering programs leading to master’s degrees. In 1992, it was authorized to offer programs leading to doctoral degrees.

You said the consolidated University started in 1965, that is incorrect, it was started in 1931.

Awesome job splitting hairs.

34 years is hardly splitting hairs, that longer than I been on this Earth by 2 years. Not that it really matters.

It's a subject that most don't know about or the political fights that caused some schools inclusion at certain times, while other were held at arms length until they threatened to remove money from the state's bank accounts. Personally I wish Charlotte and the others had joined with us to form a second separate University system, cause we both still ended up under Chapel Hill's thumb with the voting split on the BOG.

It doesn't really matter. Its not a reward to be part of this system if your name isn't Chapel Hill anyway. Its just another means to keep the other schools in line and subservient anyhow.

(06-21-2013 06:09 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(06-21-2013 06:06 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(06-21-2013 05:59 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(06-21-2013 05:58 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(06-21-2013 05:48 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Not incorrect, we joined the Consolidated University of North Carolina as the 4th member school in 1965.


http://publicrelations.uncc.edu/informat...ty-history

You said the consolidated University started in 1965, that is incorrect, it was started in 1931.

Awesome job splitting hairs.

34 years is hardly splitting hairs, that longer than I been on this Earth by 2 years. Not that it really matters.

It's a subject that most don't know about or the political fights that caused some schools inclusion at certain times, while other were held at arms length until they threatened to remove money from the state's bank accounts. Personally I wish Charlotte and the others had joined with us to form a second separate University system, cause we both still ended up under Chapel Hill's thumb with the voting split on the BOG.

It doesn't really matter. Its not a reward to be part of this system if your name isn't Chapel Hill anyway. Its just another means to keep the other schools in line and subservient anyhow.

Which I stated as much. I hate the set up of BOG give way too much favoritism to now just two schools. It's BS and almost everyone knows it.

BTW, 49 did you get my PM?

(06-21-2013 06:30 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  BTW, 49 did you get my PM?

Two weeks ago? I did.

(06-21-2013 06:32 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(06-21-2013 06:30 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  BTW, 49 did you get my PM?

Two weeks ago? I did.

8 days ago, wondering never got a reply. Just wanted to discuss that topic with you further, off the main boards.

(06-21-2013 06:36 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(06-21-2013 06:32 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(06-21-2013 06:30 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  BTW, 49 did you get my PM?

Two weeks ago? I did.

8 days ago, wondering never got a reply. Just wanted to discuss that topic with you further, off the main boards.

Sorry, it was late when I read it and I had just replied to another PM just like it. I didn't want to give you the exact same response. Next day, it was out of sight, out of mind. My apologies.

(06-21-2013 06:57 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(06-21-2013 06:36 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(06-21-2013 06:32 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(06-21-2013 06:30 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  BTW, 49 did you get my PM?

Two weeks ago? I did.

8 days ago, wondering never got a reply. Just wanted to discuss that topic with you further, off the main boards.

Sorry, it was late when I read it and I had just replied to another PM just like it. I didn't want to give you the exact same response. Next day, it was out of site, out of mind. My apologies.

Thank again for the help.