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And it likely will bump them up a division in football now too.
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(05-15-2013 06:17 AM)BCBronco Wrote:  My alma mater, Albion High School is closing. I was always proud of going to Albion.

I always thought everyone should go to a racially mixed high school and preferred schools like Albion and Battle Creek Central over less integrated schools. All was not perfect, not by a long shot, but I had a blast.

Now......they're gonna bus the high schoolers to Marshall??? That ought to be a huge cultural adjustment.

One of the unexpected consequences of school of choice and a sign of the times, I guess. Expect more. So long Wildcats.


http://www.michiganradio.org/post/budget...igh-school
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Marshall is more integrated than it was in our day. It's always had a significant Hispanic population. There's a charter in Marshall, I expect their numbers to go up as well as Harper Creeks as people flee. Interestingly, Jase Bolger our current speaker of the house has kids in Marshall schools. Knowing his politics I'm sure he's concerned that his mostly lilly white district will be absorbing Albion's students.

There was a lot of racial tension in the 70's in Albion. My high school had a basketball game with them after a riot had occurred and it was played in a closed gym with locked doors.
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70's?!?! That was like ten years ago.
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(05-15-2013 11:21 AM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  
(05-15-2013 09:56 AM)Broncobelt Wrote:  Maryland has the best schools in the country. School districts there are county wide. Michigan could learn something.

Uh, PG County and Baltimore City, much? Montgomery County might have the "best" schools in the country but PG County surely does not. I would imagine other than Baltimore County, Frederick, Howard, and Charles and maybe Calvert counties, MD schools are no better than Michigan's or Virgina's or any other non southern state's.

On the whole, as a state, Maryland has the top rated schools in the country. Mass is 2nd. I know that PG county and Baltimore are awful (with PG the worst). but they are the exception. Supposedly Howard was the top rated school district in the country (at least that is what everyone told me when I lived in MD. (I lived in AA.)
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(05-15-2013 10:08 AM)fbgab Wrote:  
(05-15-2013 09:56 AM)Broncobelt Wrote:  ^Huge waste of money. The city of Wyoming alone (about 50K pop) has three distinct and separate school districts.

Maryland has the best schools in the country. School districts there are county wide. Michigan could learn something.

Are you saying consolidation of districts is a waste of money?

No. Just the opposite. Merge the 3 districts and you would eliminate three sups and their support staff.
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OK, couldn't tell which side you were coming down on.

Seems so freakin simple isn't it.
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Everything is steeped in tradition.

Think back to the school section country schools.

Even 50 years ago you could talk to a person in Lawrence who had never been to Kalamazoo.

Galesburg and Augusta were separate. I worked with a guy that graduated from Augusta HS in a class of 11 people.

So the tradition is for local control, and there is a lot of personal pride of place involved.

The new part is the seeming inability of school boards to fund separate community schools.

The question that comes to my mind is, if you say you can't afford to educate students from your own home town, how can you just shove them off on your neighbors?

If Albion can't pay for a high school, can they just say, heck with it, go to Marshall, they will take care of it?

Does a community have the right to say they don't want to provide public schools?

I thought school funding came from the State. So doesn't Albion get just as much per student as Marshall?
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Honestly, I've never grasped how a school can't afford to pay their bills. Keep in mind, most buildings have been paid for for years or decades.

Each student is worth about $6700 from the state foundation grant.

A school of 400 takes in about 2.7 million a year from just the foundation grants. That doesn't include federal dollars from Title I, and local bond issues.

Basically that school needs about 15 teachers. I'll error on the high side and say the average teacher costs about 85k with bennies. That works out to about 1.3 million of a 2.7 million dollar budget. Electric, phone, janitorial, gas, secretarial, lunch help, specials teachers (music, band, art). I doubt that makes up the other 1.4 million.

Our superintendent makes $340,000. We have several assistant superintendents making in excess of 125k. Administration is VERY TOP HEAVY, and yes, one super could handle more than one school district (which is happening in a few local districts).

I've always believed schools could EASILY fund themselves. The problem is the administrators are making the money decisions. I can't tell you how many times administrators have adopted a new text series when the old one was perfectly fine and had a lot of years left in it. That costs hundreds of thousands. But it gives the impression that they're doing something to justify their overblown salaries.
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Internet look up shows Marshall HS at about 800 students with Albion HS just under 400. That will make them Marshall class A for sports and inquiring minds wonder if they have enough classrooms for 1200 students.
I expect those numbers are atleast somewhat close.
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(05-15-2013 01:54 PM)Broncobelt Wrote:  On the whole, as a state, Maryland has the top rated schools in the country. Mass is 2nd. I know that PG county and Baltimore are awful (with PG the worst). but they are the exception. Supposedly Howard was the top rated school district in the country (at least that is what everyone told me when I lived in MD. (I lived in AA.)

Yes, I know, because O'Malley reminds us every time he opens his pie hole. This is the same idiot spinning the embarrassing Baltimore City Detention Center scandal as the state taking this seriously. Though I am a pretty liberal guy, I have little love for Maryland except for the little time I spend in Baltimore. At least Michigan takes its civil liberties seriously, Maryland doesn't even give them lip service.
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http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/artic...ck_check=1

Who'd guess that there might be racial concerns merging two entirely different demographics?
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That sucks!
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Sheesh, it sure seemed from that article that the Albion people they interviewed felt they were entitled... Blaming Marshall for their problems? I don't understand that. It seems like Marshall is being nothing but helpful in taking their students. I'm sure it won't be easy on them trying to integrate that big of an increase in enrollment.
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My HS was growing rapidly. They divided us in two cohorts. Half started at 6:15, the other half started at 8:15 and went until 4:30. So they gained classroom space that way.

I don't recall how they handled sports practice. I do know we were not very successful those two years we did that. I also don't know how teachers were assigned given the longer day.

Meanwhile a new bigger HS was under construction.

I can't see how Marshall could possibly accommodate 400 more HS students without some crazy adaptation like I outlined.
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I'm surprised the Enquirer still exists.
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(05-16-2013 06:24 AM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  I'm surprised the Enquirer still exists.

Just goes to show that serving a community with low expectations has its benefits.
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I'm not exactly complaining. Just surprised, that's all.
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(05-15-2013 06:25 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  Honestly, I've never grasped how a school can't afford to pay their bills. Keep in mind, most buildings have been paid for for years or decades.

Each student is worth about $6700 from the state foundation grant.

A school of 400 takes in about 2.7 million a year from just the foundation grants. That doesn't include federal dollars from Title I, and local bond issues.

Basically that school needs about 15 teachers. I'll error on the high side and say the average teacher costs about 85k with bennies. That works out to about 1.3 million of a 2.7 million dollar budget. Electric, phone, janitorial, gas, secretarial, lunch help, specials teachers (music, band, art). I doubt that makes up the other 1.4 million.

Our superintendent makes $340,000. We have several assistant superintendents making in excess of 125k. Administration is VERY TOP HEAVY, and yes, one super could handle more than one school district (which is happening in a few local districts).

I've always believed schools could EASILY fund themselves. The problem is the administrators are making the money decisions. I can't tell you how many times administrators have adopted a new text series when the old one was perfectly fine and had a lot of years left in it. That costs hundreds of thousands. But it gives the impression that they're doing something to justify their overblown salaries.

Schools aren't funded purely in a vacuum like your example. They also are not largely funded by building. (Albion's decision to cut the HS is because the HS is the most expensive of the buildings, costs more per student there, than in an elementary)

Your scenario isn't quite hitting all the expenses of said HS. You'll need more teachers than that trust me. You'll either need to be able to find some teachers that are dual certifited in Art/Science (which is hard to find) or you'll have to have some that teach smaller classes just to offer the right classes. Also teachers will get a prep period for planning etc. So where you had 15 teachers, you'd at most only have 12 teaching at one time which would equal classes of 33-34 kids if you had the right certification fits. Odds are your 400 kid school would probably have close to 20 full time teachers, and possibly a couple part timers. So taking your 85K number that turns into roughly 1.7-1.8 million in teaching staff alone. Account for say 2 counselors, 2 secretaries, 1 asst principal at 75 K, 1 principal at 100K + their benefits and you are looking at least another 500K. (hopefully the district has contracted out janitorial, and bussing services, but if not that's another cost to add to the school, but let's assume it is and that's spread through the district bottom line)

So let's say we are at a cool 2.25 million. The school has made it clear it has some debt to pay down so they will take another 200K to do that. 2.45 million.
Now you have to pay electric, gas. Change burned out lightbulbs, fix desks or windows, replace books, etc....easy to expect bills in the 300K range per year. So we very quickly have passed the 2.7 number.

Then you add in athletics (hopefully there is a pay to play, but most Albion families probably are exempt from that fee). Coaching salaries, equipment, travel, officials, security etc. Very quickly at a school like Albion you are looking at nearly a 200K number. Meaning we are looking at a realistic budget if operating correctly of at least $3 million.
Elementary schools and middle schools don't have quite the same bottom dollar. Albion stated they believed they were in a $1million dollar hole for that building next year, so to me they could've done a better job, and it's probably do to extra staffing they don't need anymore. This is the problem for shrinking districts, they have larger staffs than they need, and reducing them is a difficult call. And the staff you reduce are your lowest paid numbers anyway, the big checks stick around. The larger the district the easier it is to share resources.
When you see how much money Supers make, and their staff, and assistant supers....it's ridiculous.

The state needs to step in and place a law on max salaries, and benefits for Supers, and limit how many Supers/asst supers a district can have based on it's size.

A lot of tax payers like to point to teachers as making too much, (summer break and all), but it's the Supers that are the biggest winners in the game. Supers are valuable, and vital. But you don't need 4 supers for a district of 3000 kids.
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(05-16-2013 06:24 AM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  I'm surprised the Enquirer still exists.
BC Enquirer is still in business because they still have current coverage of THEIR community. A concept the corporate Mlive managers do not seem to grasp.

All public reports showed the Kalamazoo Gazette was still making money when they closed and moved.
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(05-16-2013 09:29 AM)okgc Wrote:  BC Enquirer is still in business because they still have current coverage of THEIR community. A concept the corporate Mlive managers do not seem to grasp.

Right on the money on both accounts. Does the Enquirer still publish seven days a week?
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