(04-29-2013 03:34 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:31 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:19 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:16 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:12 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  No, I am a product of Of God who created man from one man and woman, many have rejected God and Christ, and it will be on their own decision that they will be condemned. Those who believe as you do are not believers on a sovereign God who is omnipresent in all the world and his creation. Christ tells us in the Great Commission to go into all the world and spread the good news of him. You have the right to reject him, and many have. Those will beg for a drop of water to soothe the terrible damnation of hellfire in the end. No one is perfect by any means, that is why we need the Savior. It does break my hearts that there are so many that reject him, and I pray that all will hear and accept him in the end.

You didn't answer my question. What about those that were born into an area where they were never given the choice to accept him?

What about those that still grow up living in a jungle without access to the modern world?

God is cool with them being condemned to hell just because of where they were born? Sounds like a real bastard to me.

I answered you question, you just fail to hear or understand what was said. Christ tells us that he who has ears to hear will hear.

So people in North Korea or Iran will go to hell because they never had the chance to hear the Gospel? So you're doomed at birth just because you weren't born in a Christian country? Why would God do that? What's the point?

So basically somebody who was born in the Soviet Union in 1950 and died in 1990 went to hell because in Soviet times religion was discouraged and only the Soviet ideology from the state was allowed and never got the chance to attend church or hear the gospel. Once again, why would God do that to somebody who never had the chance in the first place?

I believe in a God who is loving, merciful and kind. Not in a selfish and hateful God who picks sides and punishes you for no reason.

I'm no theology expert but my recollection is that many Christian groups believe that God will judge those folks (people who never received the official message of Jesus Christ) based on their hearts and actions..their works.

Thanks for a real answer.

(04-29-2013 03:25 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  Well its time for me to weigh in.....

No one should get "special rights" and "privileges" simply because they are married. No one ! That means no break on your taxes, health insurance, favorable interest rates, inheritance tax benefits, etc).

In fact, working single people without children should be the ones receiving tax breaks if anyone should. They put less economic burden on society as a whole yet they are the one who dont get the breaks.

You probably would not be here if someone believed they were , putting an "economic burden on society" by giving birth to you. Give me a break dude.

(04-29-2013 03:25 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:21 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:09 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 02:57 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  All this gay people coming out stuff is just a giant circus. What pisses me off is everyone flaming Mike Wallace because of his tweet that he doesn't see how anyone could be gay. Just because someone's opinion isn't the "hip cool left wing we're all happy shinny people" opinion doesn't mean it's wrong or shouldn't be able to be freely expressed.

.. History will not be kind to the likes of Mike Wallace. Just like history is not kind to the people who opposed Civil Rights or interracial marriage... .

Apples and oranges. Are you really comparing a group that is trying to have the nation recognize their sexual orientation to a people that were taken in warfare; purchased on distant shores; transported against their will to a land where they were enslaved and stripped of all human rights, and then they were later forced to fight for a country that didn't even allow them to vote much less recognize them as human beings?

Acually I would equate the current movement to feminism. Because in feminism some women were better off financially, educationally, etc., etc. than men.

I'm comparing the similarities in people being against blacks voting or attending the same schools as whites. History is not being kind to those who opposed those measures. Time will not be kind to those who now are against gay marriage or who think being gay is a disease.

And women still have barriers today. Otherwise the disparity in what men and women earn wouldn't exist today.

Everybody have barriers, not just women. Everybody has a ceiling. Some break through most don't.

One of the things that I have noticed is that poor people have it worse than anybody and if you are a poor senior handicapped person then forget it; because that is a big uphill climb. Poor people have barriers to basic things like education, job opportunities, food, medicines, health care, transportion and housing. They also are subjected to all kinds of stuff like predatory lending, street violence from criminal elements that most middle class and wealthy people would force the police and criminal justice system to fix.

A bunch of radical feminist pushing an agenda for homosexual rights don't have as many barriers as you think. Since most of those gals are probably lesbians, then I guess they have an interest in the outcome.

(04-29-2013 03:39 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:30 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:25 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  I'm comparing the similarities in people being against blacks voting or attending the same schools as whites. History is not being kind to those who opposed those measures. Time will not be kind to those who now are against gay marriage or who think being gay is a disease.

And women still have barriers today. Otherwise the disparity in what men and women earn wouldn't exist today.

Actually, that's a common myth. Women make virtually the same today as men when comparing the same job, the same experience, the same education, etc. The numbers thrown around by women's groups our skewed because they need the gap to remain in existence in order to further their agenda. Much like most special interest groups need for data/perception/etc. to exist in their favor to further their agendas. The common number thrown around is that women make about 70 cents on the dollar what men make. If you factor in years of experience, education, etc. the number is virtually the same....maybe a few cents difference.

Then how come I make more money than my female counterparts? Same education, same experience, same industry, same company. We men have it easy after all it's still a man's world. I've seen firsthand how hard it's for women to climb the corporate ladder. How patronizing some men are when even talking to women. And don't get me started if she's attractive. It's like I'm watching a live episode of Mad Men.

I have no idea what profession you work in but I've worked in several professions, both public and private, and have seen nothing like that. Your job must account for the minimal few pennies difference on a national scale. Of course, I'm assuming you're telling the truth and if so, women have recourse now and will bankrupt your company in due time from lawsuits. Law became the great equalizer. Women have a recourse now. As do minorities.

(04-29-2013 03:43 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:25 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:21 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:09 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 02:57 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  All this gay people coming out stuff is just a giant circus. What pisses me off is everyone flaming Mike Wallace because of his tweet that he doesn't see how anyone could be gay. Just because someone's opinion isn't the "hip cool left wing we're all happy shinny people" opinion doesn't mean it's wrong or shouldn't be able to be freely expressed.

.. History will not be kind to the likes of Mike Wallace. Just like history is not kind to the people who opposed Civil Rights or interracial marriage... .

Apples and oranges. Are you really comparing a group that is trying to have the nation recognize their sexual orientation to a people that were taken in warfare; purchased on distant shores; transported against their will to a land where they were enslaved and stripped of all human rights, and then they were later forced to fight for a country that didn't even allow them to vote much less recognize them as human beings?

Acually I would equate the current movement to feminism. Because in feminism some women were better off financially, educationally, etc., etc. than men.

I'm comparing the similarities in people being against blacks voting or attending the same schools as whites. History is not being kind to those who opposed those measures. Time will not be kind to those who now are against gay marriage or who think being gay is a disease.

And women still have barriers today. Otherwise the disparity in what men and women earn wouldn't exist today.

Everybody have barriers, not just women. Everybody has a ceiling. Some break through most don't.

One of the things that I have noticed is that poor people have it worse than anybody and if you are a poor senior handicapped person then forget it; because that is a big uphill climb. Poor people have barriers to basic things like education, job opportunities, food, medicines, health care, transportion and housing. They also are subjected to all kinds of stuff like predatory lending, street violence from criminal elements that most middle class and wealthy people would force the police and criminal justice system to fix.

A bunch of radical feminist pushing an agenda for homosexual rights don't have as many barriers as you think. Since most of those gals are probably lesbians, then I guess they have an interest in the outcome.

The first 2 paragraphs I was with you but you lost me on the third.

(04-29-2013 03:47 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:39 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:30 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:25 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  I'm comparing the similarities in people being against blacks voting or attending the same schools as whites. History is not being kind to those who opposed those measures. Time will not be kind to those who now are against gay marriage or who think being gay is a disease.

And women still have barriers today. Otherwise the disparity in what men and women earn wouldn't exist today.

Actually, that's a common myth. Women make virtually the same today as men when comparing the same job, the same experience, the same education, etc. The numbers thrown around by women's groups our skewed because they need the gap to remain in existence in order to further their agenda. Much like most special interest groups need for data/perception/etc. to exist in their favor to further their agendas. The common number thrown around is that women make about 70 cents on the dollar what men make. If you factor in years of experience, education, etc. the number is virtually the same....maybe a few cents difference.

Then how come I make more money than my female counterparts? Same education, same experience, same industry, same company. We men have it easy after all it's still a man's world. I've seen firsthand how hard it's for women to climb the corporate ladder. How patronizing some men are when even talking to women. And don't get me started if she's attractive. It's like I'm watching a live episode of Mad Men.

I have no idea what profession you work in but I've worked in several professions, both public and private, and have seen nothing like that. Your job must account for the minimal few pennies difference on a national scale. Of course, I'm assuming you're telling the truth and if so, women have recourse now and will bankrupt your company in due time from lawsuits. Law became the great equalizer. Women have a recourse now. As do minorities.

Business & finance is probably the biggest offenders. Look at the number of women in executive positions compared to men.

(04-29-2013 03:43 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:25 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:21 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:09 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 02:57 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  All this gay people coming out stuff is just a giant circus. What pisses me off is everyone flaming Mike Wallace because of his tweet that he doesn't see how anyone could be gay. Just because someone's opinion isn't the "hip cool left wing we're all happy shinny people" opinion doesn't mean it's wrong or shouldn't be able to be freely expressed.

.. History will not be kind to the likes of Mike Wallace. Just like history is not kind to the people who opposed Civil Rights or interracial marriage... .

Apples and oranges. Are you really comparing a group that is trying to have the nation recognize their sexual orientation to a people that were taken in warfare; purchased on distant shores; transported against their will to a land where they were enslaved and stripped of all human rights, and then they were later forced to fight for a country that didn't even allow them to vote much less recognize them as human beings?

Acually I would equate the current movement to feminism. Because in feminism some women were better off financially, educationally, etc., etc. than men.

I'm comparing the similarities in people being against blacks voting or attending the same schools as whites. History is not being kind to those who opposed those measures. Time will not be kind to those who now are against gay marriage or who think being gay is a disease.

And women still have barriers today. Otherwise the disparity in what men and women earn wouldn't exist today.

Everybody have barriers, not just women. Everybody has a ceiling. Some break through most don't.

One of the things that I have noticed is that poor people have it worse than anybody and if you are a poor senior handicapped person then forget it; because that is a big uphill climb. Poor people have barriers to basic things like education, job opportunities, food, medicines, health care, transportion and housing. They also are subjected to all kinds of stuff like predatory lending, street violence from criminal elements that most middle class and wealthy people would force the police and criminal justice system to fix.

A bunch of radical feminist pushing an agenda for homosexual rights don't have as many barriers as you think. Since most of those gals are probably lesbians, then I guess they have an interest in the outcome.

Very true. In fact, much of the shouts of racism in this country are economic, not racial. Poor people, regardless of skin color, gender, etc. have the same issues that prevent them from succeeding in today's world. Those of color call it racism, poor women call it gender bias, but in reality, it's usually economic....more specifically it's the pervasive "culture of poverty". That culture consists of a general lack of education and a breakdown in families.

(04-29-2013 03:43 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:25 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:21 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:09 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 02:57 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  All this gay people coming out stuff is just a giant circus. What pisses me off is everyone flaming Mike Wallace because of his tweet that he doesn't see how anyone could be gay. Just because someone's opinion isn't the "hip cool left wing we're all happy shinny people" opinion doesn't mean it's wrong or shouldn't be able to be freely expressed.

.. History will not be kind to the likes of Mike Wallace. Just like history is not kind to the people who opposed Civil Rights or interracial marriage... .

Apples and oranges. Are you really comparing a group that is trying to have the nation recognize their sexual orientation to a people that were taken in warfare; purchased on distant shores; transported against their will to a land where they were enslaved and stripped of all human rights, and then they were later forced to fight for a country that didn't even allow them to vote much less recognize them as human beings?

Acually I would equate the current movement to feminism. Because in feminism some women were better off financially, educationally, etc., etc. than men.

I'm comparing the similarities in people being against blacks voting or attending the same schools as whites. History is not being kind to those who opposed those measures. Time will not be kind to those who now are against gay marriage or who think being gay is a disease.

And women still have barriers today. Otherwise the disparity in what men and women earn wouldn't exist today.

Everybody have barriers, not just women. Everybody has a ceiling. Some break through most don't.

One of the things that I have noticed is that poor people have it worse than anybody and if you are a poor senior handicapped person then forget it; because that is a big uphill climb. Poor people have barriers to basic things like education, job opportunities, food, medicines, health care, transportion and housing. They also are subjected to all kinds of stuff like predatory lending, street violence from criminal elements that most middle class and wealthy people would force the police and criminal justice system to fix.

A bunch of radical feminist pushing an agenda for homosexual rights don't have as many barriers as you think. Since most of those gals are probably lesbians, then I guess they have an interest in the outcome.

I agree on poor people.

But radical agenda? I have a good friend of mine who lost everything when his partner of 20 years died. Even though he left a power of attorney and a will, the family of the deceased partner still got their way and kicked my friend from their house that they bought together. They gave him 6 hours to pack his clothes and hand them the keys. It all happened here in Texas. And trust me there's hundreds if not thousands of cases like that. I know of another case where the family of a gay couple didn't even let one partner visit the other partner in the hospital even though they had a power of attorney. In a civil union or marriage recognized by the state these things wouldn't happen. I guess that barrier is not that radical, right?

(04-29-2013 03:41 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:34 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:31 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:19 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:16 PM)Niner National Wrote:  You didn't answer my question. What about those that were born into an area where they were never given the choice to accept him?

What about those that still grow up living in a jungle without access to the modern world?

God is cool with them being condemned to hell just because of where they were born? Sounds like a real bastard to me.

I answered you question, you just fail to hear or understand what was said. Christ tells us that he who has ears to hear will hear.

So people in North Korea or Iran will go to hell because they never had the chance to hear the Gospel? So you're doomed at birth just because you weren't born in a Christian country? Why would God do that? What's the point?

So basically somebody who was born in the Soviet Union in 1950 and died in 1990 went to hell because in Soviet times religion was discouraged and only the Soviet ideology from the state was allowed and never got the chance to attend church or hear the gospel. Once again, why would God do that to somebody who never had the chance in the first place?

I believe in a God who is loving, merciful and kind. Not in a selfish and hateful God who picks sides and punishes you for no reason.

I'm no theology expert but my recollection is that many Christian groups believe that God will judge those folks (people who never received the official message of Jesus Christ) based on their hearts and actions..their works.

Thanks for a real answer.

You are saved by grace, and not by works. If you could save yourself by good works,there wouldn't be a need for Christ.THAT is your real answer.

(04-29-2013 03:47 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:39 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:30 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:25 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  I'm comparing the similarities in people being against blacks voting or attending the same schools as whites. History is not being kind to those who opposed those measures. Time will not be kind to those who now are against gay marriage or who think being gay is a disease.

And women still have barriers today. Otherwise the disparity in what men and women earn wouldn't exist today.

Actually, that's a common myth. Women make virtually the same today as men when comparing the same job, the same experience, the same education, etc. The numbers thrown around by women's groups our skewed because they need the gap to remain in existence in order to further their agenda. Much like most special interest groups need for data/perception/etc. to exist in their favor to further their agendas. The common number thrown around is that women make about 70 cents on the dollar what men make. If you factor in years of experience, education, etc. the number is virtually the same....maybe a few cents difference.

Then how come I make more money than my female counterparts? Same education, same experience, same industry, same company. We men have it easy after all it's still a man's world. I've seen firsthand how hard it's for women to climb the corporate ladder. How patronizing some men are when even talking to women. And don't get me started if she's attractive. It's like I'm watching a live episode of Mad Men.

I have no idea what profession you work in but I've worked in several professions, both public and private, and have seen nothing like that. Your job must account for the minimal few pennies difference on a national scale. Of course, I'm assuming you're telling the truth and if so, women have recourse now and will bankrupt your company in due time from lawsuits. Law became the great equalizer. Women have a recourse now. As do minorities.

I work in the banking and finance industry. The company I work in (won't say the name) all executive level positions are held by men while women are either in the same position they started years ago or are reduced to clerical duties. Not too long ago, it was two females and me who were up for the promotion. The two ladies have been with the company for 14 years combined while I've been with the company for 2 years. Guess who got the promotion?

(04-29-2013 03:47 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:43 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:25 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:21 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:09 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  .. History will not be kind to the likes of Mike Wallace. Just like history is not kind to the people who opposed Civil Rights or interracial marriage... .

Apples and oranges. Are you really comparing a group that is trying to have the nation recognize their sexual orientation to a people that were taken in warfare; purchased on distant shores; transported against their will to a land where they were enslaved and stripped of all human rights, and then they were later forced to fight for a country that didn't even allow them to vote much less recognize them as human beings?

Acually I would equate the current movement to feminism. Because in feminism some women were better off financially, educationally, etc., etc. than men.

I'm comparing the similarities in people being against blacks voting or attending the same schools as whites. History is not being kind to those who opposed those measures. Time will not be kind to those who now are against gay marriage or who think being gay is a disease.

And women still have barriers today. Otherwise the disparity in what men and women earn wouldn't exist today.

Everybody have barriers, not just women. Everybody has a ceiling. Some break through most don't.

One of the things that I have noticed is that poor people have it worse than anybody and if you are a poor senior handicapped person then forget it; because that is a big uphill climb. Poor people have barriers to basic things like education, job opportunities, food, medicines, health care, transportion and housing. They also are subjected to all kinds of stuff like predatory lending, street violence from criminal elements that most middle class and wealthy people would force the police and criminal justice system to fix.

A bunch of radical feminist pushing an agenda for homosexual rights don't have as many barriers as you think. Since most of those gals are probably lesbians, then I guess they have an interest in the outcome.

The first 2 paragraphs I was with you but you lost me on the third.

That is from an earlier post of one of the groups pushing this civil unions stuff. It is a bunch of radical feminist. Those gals are always stirring it up; going all the way back to prohibition through this latest stuff on civil unions. They complain the most, but they never admit that they benefit from anything like Civil Rights. Those gals gained a lot under Civil Rights (see Title IX regarding them and higher education), yet they are still pushing their agendas. Their silly agendas include what you can and and can not say and a bunch of other politcally correct garbage. That is one group whose influence over this country needs to end. Otherwise no one cares about this civil union stuff. If it happens it happens, but the henpecking from the radical feminist needs to stop.

Well you guys turned this thread to ****. Why is religion being brought up? And a lot of ******** came out of the woodworks. Now I know who to ignore from here on out.



Once again, kudos for a guy being honest and opening himself up to a world of judgement that is undeserved. I long for the day this is a nonissue and no longer news worthy.

(04-29-2013 03:59 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:47 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:43 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:25 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:21 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Apples and oranges. Are you really comparing a group that is trying to have the nation recognize their sexual orientation to a people that were taken in warfare; purchased on distant shores; transported against their will to a land where they were enslaved and stripped of all human rights, and then they were later forced to fight for a country that didn't even allow them to vote much less recognize them as human beings?

Acually I would equate the current movement to feminism. Because in feminism some women were better off financially, educationally, etc., etc. than men.

I'm comparing the similarities in people being against blacks voting or attending the same schools as whites. History is not being kind to those who opposed those measures. Time will not be kind to those who now are against gay marriage or who think being gay is a disease.

And women still have barriers today. Otherwise the disparity in what men and women earn wouldn't exist today.

Everybody have barriers, not just women. Everybody has a ceiling. Some break through most don't.

One of the things that I have noticed is that poor people have it worse than anybody and if you are a poor senior handicapped person then forget it; because that is a big uphill climb. Poor people have barriers to basic things like education, job opportunities, food, medicines, health care, transportion and housing. They also are subjected to all kinds of stuff like predatory lending, street violence from criminal elements that most middle class and wealthy people would force the police and criminal justice system to fix.

A bunch of radical feminist pushing an agenda for homosexual rights don't have as many barriers as you think. Since most of those gals are probably lesbians, then I guess they have an interest in the outcome.

The first 2 paragraphs I was with you but you lost me on the third.

That is from an earlier post of one of the groups pushing this civil unions stuff. It is a bunch of radical feminist. Those gals are always stirring it up; going all the way back to prohibition through this latest stuff on civil unions. They complain the most, but they never admit that they benefit from anything like Civil Rights. Those gals gained a lot under Civil Rights (see Title IX regarding them and higher education), yet they are still pushing their agendas. Their silly agendas include what you can and and can not say and a bunch of other politcally correct garbage. That is one group whose influence over this country needs to end. Otherwise no one cares about this civil union stuff. If it happens it happens, but the henpecking from the radical feminist needs to stop.

Sounds like a talking point from talk radio. Because we just poor men are under threat and our own existence and rights are in danger by those radical femi nazis. Not.

(04-29-2013 03:52 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:41 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:34 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:31 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:19 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  I answered you question, you just fail to hear or understand what was said. Christ tells us that he who has ears to hear will hear.

So people in North Korea or Iran will go to hell because they never had the chance to hear the Gospel? So you're doomed at birth just because you weren't born in a Christian country? Why would God do that? What's the point?

So basically somebody who was born in the Soviet Union in 1950 and died in 1990 went to hell because in Soviet times religion was discouraged and only the Soviet ideology from the state was allowed and never got the chance to attend church or hear the gospel. Once again, why would God do that to somebody who never had the chance in the first place?

I believe in a God who is loving, merciful and kind. Not in a selfish and hateful God who picks sides and punishes you for no reason.

I'm no theology expert but my recollection is that many Christian groups believe that God will judge those folks (people who never received the official message of Jesus Christ) based on their hearts and actions..their works.

Thanks for a real answer.

You are saved by grace, and not by works. If you could save yourself by good works,there wouldn't be a need for Christ.THAT is your real answer.

Cool story.

For a heathen, god sure is shining his light favorably on my life.

I spent 18 years in church. I 'accepted' christ. Then I started to look at it objectively as I grew older. Did research and realized that the story of christ is not unique. It is a slightly different spin on stories from other cultures mashed together.

I guess my curious mind will condemn me to hell. Shame. I really wanted to spend an eternity telling someone how great they are for creating me.

(04-29-2013 03:59 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  That is from an earlier post of one of the groups pushing this civil unions stuff. It is a bunch of radical feminist. Those gals are always stirring it up; going all the way back to prohibition through this latest stuff on civil unions. They complain the most, but they never admit that they benefit from anything like Civil Rights. Those gals gained a lot under Civil Rights (see Title IX regarding them and higher education), yet they are still pushing their agendas. Their silly agendas include what you can and and can not say and a bunch of other politcally correct garbage. That is one group whose influence over this country needs to end. Otherwise no one cares about this civil union stuff. If it happens it happens, but the henpecking from the radical feminist needs to stop.

Although I must admit that I chuckled several times reading your synopsis of the feminist agenda, I must also admit there is considerable truth in what you're saying. For example, education. I've worked in education for several years and what many fail to see is that there is a major crisis occurring and it's going to bite us in the arse sooner rather than later. This culture we've created over the last 75 years is destroying the "boys" of our society. It's caused by overzealous feminism, media, and other factors. Boys are failing in schools at astronomical levels. It's not cool to succeed if you're a boy. You're punished for being boisterous (which is a natural biological thing for males of our species) whereas girls are rewarded for not acting like boys. Don't believe me? Look at any high school graduation and count the number of boys to girls who finish in the top 10-15%. It's usually 2 or 3 to 1 girls to boys. Those finishing in the top 10-15% are getting the scholarships. In addition, there are more scholarships for girls because of feminist groups. Imagine starting a academic scholarship program for just boys. Most of our colleges are 55-70% girls. This is happening across all ethnicities. You won't hear about this on The View.

We have lots of things to work on in this country and gay acceptance is only one of them.

(04-29-2013 03:52 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:43 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:25 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:21 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:09 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  .. History will not be kind to the likes of Mike Wallace. Just like history is not kind to the people who opposed Civil Rights or interracial marriage... .

Apples and oranges. Are you really comparing a group that is trying to have the nation recognize their sexual orientation to a people that were taken in warfare; purchased on distant shores; transported against their will to a land where they were enslaved and stripped of all human rights, and then they were later forced to fight for a country that didn't even allow them to vote much less recognize them as human beings?

Acually I would equate the current movement to feminism. Because in feminism some women were better off financially, educationally, etc., etc. than men.

I'm comparing the similarities in people being against blacks voting or attending the same schools as whites. History is not being kind to those who opposed those measures. Time will not be kind to those who now are against gay marriage or who think being gay is a disease.

And women still have barriers today. Otherwise the disparity in what men and women earn wouldn't exist today.

Everybody have barriers, not just women. Everybody has a ceiling. Some break through most don't.

One of the things that I have noticed is that poor people have it worse than anybody and if you are a poor senior handicapped person then forget it; because that is a big uphill climb. Poor people have barriers to basic things like education, job opportunities, food, medicines, health care, transportion and housing. They also are subjected to all kinds of stuff like predatory lending, street violence from criminal elements that most middle class and wealthy people would force the police and criminal justice system to fix.

A bunch of radical feminist pushing an agenda for homosexual rights don't have as many barriers as you think. Since most of those gals are probably lesbians, then I guess they have an interest in the outcome.

I agree on poor people.

But radical agenda? I have a good friend of mine who lost everything when his partner of 20 years died. Even though he left a power of attorney and a will, the family of the deceased partner still got their way and kicked my friend from their house that they bought together. They gave him 6 hours to pack his clothes and hand them the keys. It all happened here in Texas. And trust me there's hundreds if not thousands of cases like that. I know of another case where the family of a gay couple didn't even let one partner visit the other partner in the hospital even though they had a power of attorney. In a civil union or marriage recognized by the state these things wouldn't happen. I guess that barrier is not that radical, right?

Wills, deeds and insurance policies accomplish a lot. I understand the need for law the law to be flexible and recognize that life partners should be able to utilize benefits that each may have earned during their time together (social security benefits, health insurance, etc.); that is the only fair and reasonable thing for a reasonable people to do. But the rest is just a radical feminist agenda and I am getting tired of that group pushing their crap down the throats of people.

BTW, I don't know why people keep trying to bring religion into this national topic. Because the Bible clearly says render unto God those things that are Gods; and unto Ceaser those things that are Ceaser's. This Civil Union business is just a recognition by Ceaser that some equitable action must occur to stop a wrong. I agree that there is a wrong, but I can also understand why religious people may not feel comfortable with this type of national discussion.

(04-29-2013 12:12 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 11:25 AM)RedParallax Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 11:13 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  What wall was broken down?

The first openly gay athlete in a major U.S. team sport, if I'm reading correctly. Pretty significant.

Don't think you are reading that correctly. And I posted the other day the 1st NFL player to announce he was gay.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=630779

He is not an nfl player. He is a former college player trying to be an nfl player

(04-29-2013 04:04 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:59 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:47 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:43 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 03:25 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  I'm comparing the similarities in people being against blacks voting or attending the same schools as whites. History is not being kind to those who opposed those measures. Time will not be kind to those who now are against gay marriage or who think being gay is a disease.

And women still have barriers today. Otherwise the disparity in what men and women earn wouldn't exist today.

Everybody have barriers, not just women. Everybody has a ceiling. Some break through most don't.

One of the things that I have noticed is that poor people have it worse than anybody and if you are a poor senior handicapped person then forget it; because that is a big uphill climb. Poor people have barriers to basic things like education, job opportunities, food, medicines, health care, transportion and housing. They also are subjected to all kinds of stuff like predatory lending, street violence from criminal elements that most middle class and wealthy people would force the police and criminal justice system to fix.

A bunch of radical feminist pushing an agenda for homosexual rights don't have as many barriers as you think. Since most of those gals are probably lesbians, then I guess they have an interest in the outcome.

The first 2 paragraphs I was with you but you lost me on the third.

That is from an earlier post of one of the groups pushing this civil unions stuff. It is a bunch of radical feminist. Those gals are always stirring it up; going all the way back to prohibition through this latest stuff on civil unions. They complain the most, but they never admit that they benefit from anything like Civil Rights. Those gals gained a lot under Civil Rights (see Title IX regarding them and higher education), yet they are still pushing their agendas. Their silly agendas include what you can and and can not say and a bunch of other politcally correct garbage. That is one group whose influence over this country needs to end. Otherwise no one cares about this civil union stuff. If it happens it happens, but the henpecking from the radical feminist needs to stop.

Sounds like a talking point from talk radio. Because we just poor men are under threat and our own existence and rights are in danger by those radical femi nazis. Not.

I don't listen to talk radio and that crazy stuff that is being pushed by right wing focus groups. I am just reviewing the feminization of this Country over the last half century. It is sickening. They wanted to burn their bras; I didn't care. They wanted birth control and abortions; I didn't care. But when they start trying to tell people what to think; how to feel and what to say; then damnit I have a problem with those broads.

They took the booze; we got it back, so it can be done. It is time we took our manhood back and to tell those broads that they can think whatever the Hell they want to think and we will think whatever the Hell we want to think. And if they don't like that they can go to Hell. They are even trying to tell people how to address somebody. That is going to far.

(04-29-2013 12:16 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 12:05 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I just don't care

+3.

It seems to me that a person's personal business is their own personal business and I just don't see why it matters to society as whole. Moreover, I have never equated this type of social issue with that of African Americans, because in most cases one can clearly see that African Americans have a physical attribute that identifies them as being of African heritage. Whereas the other group doesn't have any identifier that shows what their orientation is; moreover most of the world doesn't give a damn.

The NAACP does not agree...they stated very clearly that gay rights are civil rights.

(04-29-2013 04:15 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 12:16 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 12:05 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I just don't care

+3.

It seems to me that a person's personal business is their own personal business and I just don't see why it matters to society as whole. Moreover, I have never equated this type of social issue with that of African Americans, because in most cases one can clearly see that African Americans have a physical attribute that identifies them as being of African heritage. Whereas the other group doesn't have any identifier that shows what their orientation is; moreover most of the world doesn't give a damn.

The NAACP does not agree...they stated very clearly that gay rights are civil rights.

The NAACP is a paid for organization. They have long since lost their way.