Hello There, Guest! Registered users see far less ads! Register today and join our virtual tailgate. (Login — Register)

Poll: What should happen to Dzhokhar?
Give him the Needle
Life in the SuperMax
[Show Results]
Note: This is a public poll, other users will be able to see what you voted for.
Post Reply 
What should we do with Dzhokhar?
Author Message
WoodlandsOwl Offline
Up in the Woods
*

Posts: 11,806
Joined: Jun 2005
Reputation: 115
I Root For: Rice Owls
Location:

New Orleans Bowl
Post: #121
RE: What should we do with Dzhokhar?
Big Brother was radicalized by the same Chetchen Islamist Group that blew up a Russian School and the Moscow Opera House.

Not Affilated with AQ but a Islamist Group that is still on the State Dept. Terror Watchlist.
(This post was last modified: 04-20-2013 10:09 PM by WoodlandsOwl.)
04-20-2013 10:08 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
EagleX Offline
Wake me when the suck is over
*

Posts: 14,730
Joined: Sep 2011
Reputation: 706
I Root For: Southern Miss
Location: Happy Hour
Post: #122
RE: What should we do with Dzhokhar?
(04-20-2013 09:53 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  
(04-20-2013 09:51 PM)EagleX Wrote:  
(04-20-2013 09:48 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  
(04-20-2013 09:47 PM)EagleX Wrote:  
(04-20-2013 09:32 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  Then how can you possibly argue that what happens to him won't happen to other Americans?

we aren't him. he isn't us. like it or not, there is a fundamental difference between those of us that are born in this country, and those that aren't.

it's pretty simple.

So it's racism then? I don't get what you're saying. A citizen is a citizen.

jeeez. you seem to be a genuinely good guy, but you're all over the map.

a "citizen" of seven months is not the same as a person that was born in this country 40 years ago. it just stands to reason.

No, it doesn't stand to reason. We don't have different classes of citizens. That's the entire point of being an American citizen.

great discussion. it's getting late, though. can we pick this back up tomorrow?
04-20-2013 10:13 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Fo Shizzle Offline
Pragmatic Classical Liberal
*

Posts: 41,888
Joined: Dec 2006
Reputation: 1206
I Root For: ECU PIRATES
Location: North Carolina

Balance of Power Contest
Post: #123
RE: What should we do with Dzhokhar?
(04-20-2013 10:08 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Big Brother was radicalized by the same Chetchen Islamist Group that blew up a Russian School and the Moscow Opera House.

Not Affilated with AQ but a Islamist Group that is still on the State Dept. Terror Watchlist.

...and somehow not on our watch list after being warned about him? Go figure.
04-21-2013 08:25 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
WoodlandsOwl Offline
Up in the Woods
*

Posts: 11,806
Joined: Jun 2005
Reputation: 115
I Root For: Rice Owls
Location:

New Orleans Bowl
Post: #124
RE: What should we do with Dzhokhar?
(04-21-2013 08:25 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(04-20-2013 10:08 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Big Brother was radicalized by the same Chetchen Islamist Group that blew up a Russian School and the Moscow Opera House.

Not Affilated with AQ but a Islamist Group that is still on the State Dept. Terror Watchlist.

...and somehow not on our watch list after being warned about him? Go figure.

FBI guy knocking on the door probably didnt put much effort into it. As long as there isn't a poster of UBL hanging on the wall, he didnt give much credence to a tip from Russian Intelligence.

The visit from the FBI was in 2011. It was 2012 when he went to Russia for a prolonged visit (and apparently went to Bomb School).
04-21-2013 08:52 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
I'mMoreAwesomeThanYou Offline
Medium Pimping
*

Posts: 7,018
Joined: Aug 2011
Reputation: 100
I Root For: America
Location:
Post: #125
RE: What should we do with Dzhokhar?
We should lock this guy in solitary confinement and bolt a TV on the wall that shows nothing but women's basketball....
04-21-2013 08:56 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
UConn-SMU Offline
often wrong, never in doubt
*

Posts: 12,937
Joined: Sep 2011
Reputation: 373
I Root For: the AAC
Location: Fuzzy's Taco Shop
Post: #126
RE: What should we do with Dzhokhar?
I've never been to Chechnya. It must be a lovely place with wonderful people.
04-21-2013 08:56 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
WoodlandsOwl Offline
Up in the Woods
*

Posts: 11,806
Joined: Jun 2005
Reputation: 115
I Root For: Rice Owls
Location:

New Orleans Bowl
Post: #127
RE: What should we do with Dzhokhar?
Well, this is interesting. Possible motive: The hold up on Citizenship prevented him from applying for the US Olympic Boxing Team?

F.B.I. Interview Led Homeland Security to Hold Up Citizenship for One Brother
By JULIA PRESTON
Published: April 20, 2013

Department of Homeland Security officials decided in recent months not to grant an application for American citizenship by Tamerlan Tsarnaev, one of two brothers suspected in the Boston Marathon bombings, after a routine background check revealed that he had been interviewed in 2011 by the F.B.I., federal officials said on Saturday.

Mr. Tsarnaev died early Friday after a shootout with the police, and officials said that at the time of his death, his application for citizenship was still under review and was being investigated by federal law enforcement officials.

It had been previously reported that Mr. Tsarnaev’s application might have been held up because of a domestic abuse episode. But the officials said that it was the record of the F.B.I. interview that threw up red flags and halted, at least temporarily, Mr. Tsarnaev’s citizenship application. Federal law enforcement officials reported on Friday that the F.B.I. interviewed Mr. Tsarnaev in January 2011 at the request of the Russian government, which suspected that he had ties to Chechen terrorists.


The officials pointed to the decision to hold up that application as evidence that his encounter with the F.B.I. did not fall through the cracks in the vast criminal and national security databases that the Department of Homeland Security and the F.B.I. review as a standard requirement for citizenship.

The application, which Mr. Tsarnaev presented on Sept. 5, also prompted “additional investigation” of hi m this year by federal law enforcement agencies, according to the officials. They declined to say how far that examination had progressed or what it covered.

The handling of Mr. Tsarnaev’s application could be crucial for the Obama administration in the Senate debate that began this week over a bipartisan bill, which the president supports, for a sweeping immigration overhaul. Some Republicans skeptical of the bill have said they will watch the Boston bombings investigation to see if it reveals security lapses in the immigration system that should be closed before Congress proceeds to other parts of the bill, including a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

The record of the F.B.I. interview was enough to cause Homeland Security to hold up Mr. Tsarnaev’s application. He presented those papers several weeks after he returned from a six-month trip overseas, primarily to Russia, and only six days after his brother, Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, 19, had his own citizenship application approved. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is in custody and is in serious condition in a hospital.

Late last year, Homeland Security officials contacted the F.B.I. to learn more about its interview with Tamerlan Tsarnaev, federal law enforcement officials said. The F.B.I. reported its conclusion that he did not present a threat.

At that point, Homeland Security officials did not move to approve the application nor did they deny it, but they left it open for “additional review.”

Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s record also showed that he had been involved in an episode of domestic violence in 2009. His father, Anzor, said in an interview on Friday in the Russian republic of Dagestan, where he lives, that Tamerlan had an argument with a girlfriend and that he “hit her lightly.”

Under immigration law, certain domestic violence offenses can disqualify an immigrant from becoming an American citizen, and perhaps expose him to deportation. But the Homeland Security review found that while Mr. Tsarnaev was arrested, he was not convicted in the episode. The law requires a serious criminal conviction in a domestic violence case for officials to initiate deportation, federal officials said.

Both Tsarnaev brothers came to the United States and remained here legally under an asylum petition in 2002 by their father, who claimed he feared for his life because of his activities in Chechnya. Both sons applied for citizenship after they had been living here as legal permanent residents for at least five years, as the law requires.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/21/us/tam....html?_r=0
04-21-2013 09:01 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
firmbizzle Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 20,408
Joined: Jul 2008
Reputation: 442
I Root For: UF, UCF
Location:
Post: #128
RE: What should we do with Dzhokhar?
Piano wire. Balls.
04-21-2013 09:44 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
UConn-SMU Offline
often wrong, never in doubt
*

Posts: 12,937
Joined: Sep 2011
Reputation: 373
I Root For: the AAC
Location: Fuzzy's Taco Shop
Post: #129
RE: What should we do with Dzhokhar?
The holdup on obtaining citizenship caused this? So this was all just a misunderstanding?

Well, then the feds should just drop all charges.
04-21-2013 11:12 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
I45owl Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 18,347
Joined: Jun 2005
Reputation: 184
I Root For: Rice Owls
Location: Dallas, TX

New Orleans Bowl
Post: #130
RE: What should we do with Dzhokhar?
(04-21-2013 09:01 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Well, this is interesting. Possible motive: The hold up on Citizenship prevented him from applying for the US Olympic Boxing Team?

Perhaps a tipping point, but I doubt it's a motive. The trip to Russia was probably critical in his radicalization. I think before that, the Russians had asked the FBI what they had on T. What's interesting is the recalcitrance of the Russians to provide information back to the US after they had requested info from the FBI. Thanks, KGB.

Bombing suspect’s YouTube account mirrored jihadist conflicts in Caucasus - The Washington Post

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/euro...print.html Wrote:The Russian request had mentioned a concern that Tsarnaev was headed to a “region” in his homeland — most likely Dagestan — to join an underground group. The American agency said it asked its Russian counterpart for more information, but it received no response.

Although the United States and Russia have some limited exchange of information on counterterrorism matters, there is little real cooperation, and the security relationship has been damaged by broader diplomatic tensions between the two countries.

“My sense is that the cooperation is not very good,” said Thomas Hegghammer, a senior research fellow at the Norwegian Defence Research Establishment in Oslo. “And that may be why in this particular case the Russian information was taken with a pinch of salt.”

Russian security agencies have little interest in actual cooperation or joint operations, said Andrei Soldatov, co-author of the book “The New Nobility: The Restoration of Russia’s Security State and the Enduring Legacy of the KGB” – despite a Kremlin announcement Saturday that President Obama and President Vladimir Putin had agreed to step up combined anti-terror efforts.
(This post was last modified: 04-21-2013 11:35 AM by I45owl.)
04-21-2013 11:35 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
I45owl Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 18,347
Joined: Jun 2005
Reputation: 184
I Root For: Rice Owls
Location: Dallas, TX

New Orleans Bowl
Post: #131
RE: What should we do with Dzhokhar?
This is a very good summary of the sequence of events from bombing to capture....

Police, citizens and technology factor into Boston bombing probe - The Washington Post

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nati...print.html Wrote:While the analysts combed through videos frame by frame, a more traditional tip was developing two miles away at Boston Medical Center. Jeffrey Bauman, groggy from anesthesia, his legs just removed at the knee, managed to eke out a request for pen and paper.

In the intensive-care ward, Bauman, who had been near the finish line to see his girlfriend complete Monday’s race, wrote words that would help lead to quick resolution of the bombing that killed three and injured 176 others: “Bag. Saw the guy, looked right at me.”

FBI agents quickly came to Bauman’s bedside. A man in sunglasses and black baseball cap had walked right up to him, placed a black backpack on the ground and stepped away, Bauman remembered.

His tip became a critical lead, according to law enforcement officials.

That is a true hero.

edit: incidentally, that's the same guy in the picture that WMD Owl posted the other day (the one where the guy in the cowboy hat had put a tourniquet on his leg).
(This post was last modified: 04-21-2013 11:40 AM by I45owl.)
04-21-2013 11:37 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Paul M Offline
American-American
*

Posts: 21,088
Joined: May 2008
Reputation: 649
I Root For: OU
Location: Next to Boomer
Post: #132
RE: What should we do with Dzhokhar?
All the law enforcement agencies share information. They said so. Gotta be true.
04-21-2013 12:17 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
GoApps70 Offline
Moderator
*

Posts: 20,639
Joined: Jun 2009
Reputation: 290
I Root For: Appalachian St.
Location: Charlotte, N. C.
Post: #133
RE: What should we do with Dzhokhar?
Thought the FBI and the CIA were limited in the information they could maintain
and that was the reason for setting up Homeland Security.
(Homeland still reminds me of German reference.)
04-22-2013 06:51 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
EverRespect Offline
Free Kaplony
*

Posts: 31,122
Joined: May 2012
Reputation: 1159
I Root For: ODU
Location:
Post: #134
RE: What should we do with Dzhokhar?
(04-20-2013 02:38 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Personally, I think the only way he can escape the needle is if he gives enough info to the Feds to roll up a couple of Terror Cells

I'd prefer life in genpop, but if the bastard is going to be in protective custody, let it be on death row.
04-22-2013 07:15 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
EverRespect Offline
Free Kaplony
*

Posts: 31,122
Joined: May 2012
Reputation: 1159
I Root For: ODU
Location:
Post: #135
RE: What should we do with Dzhokhar?
(04-20-2013 03:23 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  As much as it would satisfy me to put him to death, I think the best course is to put him either in Florence or Gitmo and let him live a long hard life at our expense.

If we kill him he will become an example for the people like him that want to hurt us. IMO it is best to let him live out his life in anonymity in as harsh a place as our government can imagine.

He was here legally and committed a crime on American soil. Despite his motives, his crime didn't require much sophistication, organization, or money. I think the enemy "combatant angle" is a bit of a stretch. He would be more miserable in somewhere like Terra Haute than with his like minded buddies at Gitmo anyway.
04-22-2013 07:18 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Native Georgian Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 31,594
Joined: May 2008
Reputation: 1425
I Root For: TULANE+GA.STATE
Location: Decatur GA
Post: #136
RE: What should we do with Dzhokhar?
(04-22-2013 06:51 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Thought the FBI and the CIA were limited in the information they could maintain
I've heard conflicting accounts on that. I have no doubt that, in day-to-day practice, those 2 agencies do withhold a lot of information from one another just by habit and tradition and mutual distrust. But whether any law requires them to maintain a "wall", I don't know.

Quote:(Homeland still reminds me of German reference.)
You mean "Fatherland"? That is a great novel.

The lack of institutional cooperation between the FBI and the CIA is an old story, of course, that has caused quite a bit of trouble to the country through the years.

I don't think the public ever really understood this (certainly the media didn't explain it at the time) but very early in Nixon's term as president, then-FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover broke off ALL formal communication between the FBI and the CIA. The bureaucratic dysfunction/incompetence that resulted from this led directly to the formation of the White House Special Investigation Unit (better known as "the Plumbers") who instigated the Watergate break-ins, with all the political upheaval and drama that flowed from that incident.
(This post was last modified: 04-22-2013 07:25 AM by Native Georgian.)
04-22-2013 07:22 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Fitbud Offline
Banned

Posts: 30,896
Joined: Dec 2011
I Root For: PAC 12
Location:
Post: #137
RE: What should we do with Dzhokhar?
The best thing we can do is give this kid a fair trial and lock him away for the rest of his life.

We cannot make hima mayrtr because that is exactly what these people want.
04-22-2013 11:30 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
gdunn Offline
Repping E-Gang Colors
*

Posts: 34,756
Joined: Oct 2011
Reputation: 3144
I Root For: Southern Miss
Location: In The Moment

Survivor Champion
Post: #138
RE: What should we do with Dzhokhar?
(04-22-2013 11:30 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The best thing we can do is give this kid a fair trial and lock him away for the rest of his life.

We cannot make hima mayrtr because that is exactly what these people want.

If he truly wanted to die like that, he'd been laid out with his brother.

Personally.. I think a quick death is too good for him. I say we find a prison where soddamy runs rapant and put him in the cell with the person who commits the most rapes in that prison with a jar of Vasoline. He'll pray for death or the problem will correct itself.

My other option is to put him by a pressure cooker bomb and let him experience that.
04-22-2013 11:42 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Lord Stanley Offline
L'Étoile du Nord
*

Posts: 19,058
Joined: Feb 2005
Reputation: 1000
I Root For: NIU
Location: Cold. So cold......
Post: #139
RE: What should we do with Dzhokhar?
(04-22-2013 11:42 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Personally.. I think a quick death is too good for him. I say we find a prison where soddamy runs rapant and put him in the cell with the person who commits the most rapes in that prison with a jar of Vasoline. He'll pray for death or the problem will correct itself.

Extrajudicial punishment should never be encouraged, even for terrorists.
(This post was last modified: 04-22-2013 12:19 PM by Lord Stanley.)
04-22-2013 12:18 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Native Georgian Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 31,594
Joined: May 2008
Reputation: 1425
I Root For: TULANE+GA.STATE
Location: Decatur GA
Post: #140
RE: What should we do with Dzhokhar?
(04-22-2013 12:18 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Extrajudicial punishment should never be encouraged, even for terrorists.
Agreed.

It always bothered me that a state like Wisconsin can make a pious declaration that it does not have capital punishment, but then put Jefrey Dahmer into general population and allows the other prisoners to do the dirty work. That's very shady, IMHO.
04-22-2013 12:35 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2026 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2026 MyBB Group.