If the Big 12 really wanted to get to 12 then They could stay in Their own footprint and enlist the Locals SMU and Houston. They already added TCU last time so it's just Reinventing the SWC under a different name and boosting the LHC to homes that actually would watch it . It was a great conference in the day and all recruit Texas and Oklahoma anyway.

(04-12-2013 01:35 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  A lot of folks on this board believe the networks control almost every conference move. I don't agree, but if that's true would they force Texas and the Big XII go to at least 12 schools to obtain a CCG? A CCG would net the network a gold mine... opinions welcome.

What ESPN and FOX could do is tell the B12, "if you add schools a and b, and add a CCG, we would pay you $x." I'm pretty sure that's what FOX did with the B1G in connection with the additions of RU and UMD, and what ESPN did in connection with the ACC's addition of SU and Pitt (although the ACC probably asked ESPN first what they would need to do to increase their tv deal).

The hurdle for a new school to add value is huge. The B12 TV deal is fresh and is fairly valued. Because of the smaller size of the conference, B12 members will be getting more BCS money per school than any other conference - any additions have to cover this loss before they can begin to add value).

I am not seeing any strong reason to expand or schools capable of adding enough value to justify further expansion.

(04-12-2013 04:24 PM)LSUtah Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 02:33 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  I won't pay for the LHN and I won't pay for the SEC network. Most games worthwhile like Alabama-Georgia, Auburn-Florida, South Carolina-Tenn will be OTA. I don't care to pay the SEC to watch A&M vs Miss St, Arkansas vs Vandy or A&M-Mizzou.

I love having the Sunday Ticket but the day they announce they are bringing on the SEC network is the day I cancel DirecTV for good.

Cancel your DirectTV - that will show 'em!! Considering the teams you root for, I suspect you are used to not having a rooting interest to watch on Saturdays anyway. Might as well hate on the SEC...

I like the SEC especially LSU and Arkansas. I hope you guys open a big can of whoop *** on your new friends in College Station. That being said, I don't want to pay a school/conference because they couldn't play nice with other Big 12 league members. If ( and I know its a big IF) the Big 12 had a network, I seriously doubt A&M fans would be happy paying for a network that they don't care about. Same thing with fans in this state refusing to pay for the LHN.

For the record, Tech was on TV almost every week last season.

(04-12-2013 06:17 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  If the Big 12 really wanted to get to 12 then They could stay in Their own footprint and enlist the Locals SMU and Houston. They already added TCU last time so it's just Reinventing the SWC under a different name and boosting the LHC to homes that actually would watch it . It was a great conference in the day and all recruit Texas and Oklahoma anyway.

The SWC died because TV execs didn't value that conference. Schools will only be added to the Big 12 if they increase our TV contract.

(04-12-2013 10:11 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 06:17 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  If the Big 12 really wanted to get to 12 then They could stay in Their own footprint and enlist the Locals SMU and Houston. They already added TCU last time so it's just Reinventing the SWC under a different name and boosting the LHC to homes that actually would watch it . It was a great conference in the day and all recruit Texas and Oklahoma anyway.

The SWC died because TV execs didn't value that conference. Schools will only be added to the Big 12 if they increase our TV contract.

And after the Big 8 invited a dying Texas conference into the fold all we hear today is how to revive the SWC or add more Texas schools to the Big XII... The more this conference turns into the new SWC, the harder it will be to get a big TV contract in the future. Been there done that.

(04-12-2013 11:26 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 10:11 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 06:17 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  If the Big 12 really wanted to get to 12 then They could stay in Their own footprint and enlist the Locals SMU and Houston. They already added TCU last time so it's just Reinventing the SWC under a different name and boosting the LHC to homes that actually would watch it . It was a great conference in the day and all recruit Texas and Oklahoma anyway.

The SWC died because TV execs didn't value that conference. Schools will only be added to the Big 12 if they increase our TV contract.

And after the Big 8 invited a dying Texas conference into the fold all we hear today is how to revive the SWC or add more Texas schools to the Big XII... The more this conference turns into the new SWC, the harder it will be to get a big TV contract in the future. Been there done that.

For the most part you don't hear former SWC/Big 12 fans begging for the days of the old SWC. The only ones clamoring for a revival of the SWC are fans that can't get into the Big 12.

(04-13-2013 12:06 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 11:26 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 10:11 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 06:17 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  If the Big 12 really wanted to get to 12 then They could stay in Their own footprint and enlist the Locals SMU and Houston. They already added TCU last time so it's just Reinventing the SWC under a different name and boosting the LHC to homes that actually would watch it . It was a great conference in the day and all recruit Texas and Oklahoma anyway.

The SWC died because TV execs didn't value that conference. Schools will only be added to the Big 12 if they increase our TV contract.

And after the Big 8 invited a dying Texas conference into the fold all we hear today is how to revive the SWC or add more Texas schools to the Big XII... The more this conference turns into the new SWC, the harder it will be to get a big TV contract in the future. Been there done that.

For the most part you don't hear former SWC/Big 12 fans begging for the days of the old SWC. The only ones clamoring for a revival of the SWC are fans that can't get into the Big 12.

Fox wants the B12 to be in Florida

First choice is FSU and Miami
Second choice is USF and UCF.

Its all about MONEY

(04-13-2013 06:18 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(04-13-2013 12:06 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 11:26 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 10:11 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 06:17 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  If the Big 12 really wanted to get to 12 then They could stay in Their own footprint and enlist the Locals SMU and Houston. They already added TCU last time so it's just Reinventing the SWC under a different name and boosting the LHC to homes that actually would watch it . It was a great conference in the day and all recruit Texas and Oklahoma anyway.

The SWC died because TV execs didn't value that conference. Schools will only be added to the Big 12 if they increase our TV contract.

And after the Big 8 invited a dying Texas conference into the fold all we hear today is how to revive the SWC or add more Texas schools to the Big XII... The more this conference turns into the new SWC, the harder it will be to get a big TV contract in the future. Been there done that.

For the most part you don't hear former SWC/Big 12 fans begging for the days of the old SWC. The only ones clamoring for a revival of the SWC are fans that can't get into the Big 12.

Fox wants the B12 to be in Florida

First choice is FSU and Miami
Second choice is USF and UCF.

Its all about MONEY

I just don't see USF and UCF being invited to the Big 12. Neither program has a history of consistent success. Of course neither program has been around for very long.

I'd like to see Miami and Cincinnati as the next two in the Big 12. As long as the ACC is still intact, FSU isn't going anywhere. I think the Big 12 could possibly pry Miami away.

(04-13-2013 06:18 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  Fox wants the B12 to be in Florida

Has Fox said that?

Quote:First choice is FSU and Miami
Second choice is USF and UCF.

Has Fox said that?

(04-13-2013 02:55 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  I just don't see USF and UCF being invited to the Big 12. Neither program has a history of consistent success. Of course neither program has been around for very long.

Agreed. But if the Big <12 needs (or "needs") to get to 12, they will take the best-available options. **IF** no one from the ACC is willing to make the switch, I can see a plausible scenario where UCF+USF step up. Not predicting it, but crazier things have happened.

Quote:I'd like to see Miami and Cincinnati as the next two in the Big 12. As long as the ACC is still intact, FSU isn't going anywhere. I think the Big 12 could possibly pry Miami away.

Can't envision any scenario where UM willingly joins a conference with no other members in FL, and no East Coast members either.

(04-13-2013 03:51 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-13-2013 06:18 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  Fox wants the B12 to be in Florida

Has Fox said that?

Quote:First choice is FSU and Miami
Second choice is USF and UCF.

Has Fox said that?

(04-13-2013 02:55 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  I just don't see USF and UCF being invited to the Big 12. Neither program has a history of consistent success. Of course neither program has been around for very long.

Agreed. But if the Big <12 needs (or "needs") to get to 12, they will take the best-available options. **IF** no one from the ACC is willing to make the switch, I can see a plausible scenario where UCF+USF step up. Not predicting it, but crazier things have happened.

Quote:I'd like to see Miami and Cincinnati as the next two in the Big 12. As long as the ACC is still intact, FSU isn't going anywhere. I think the Big 12 could possibly pry Miami away.

Can't envision any scenario where UM willingly joins a conference with no other members in FL, and no East Coast members either.

Fox wants the Florida tv market.

Of course their first chouices FSU and Miami.
It appears that FSU prefers to be in the B10 or SEC.
I do not think either wants them.the next choice is USF.

(04-13-2013 03:51 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-13-2013 06:18 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  Fox wants the B12 to be in Florida

Has Fox said that?

Fox hasn't said that publicly, but then again they wouldn't be likely to. But everything else equal, of course they'd like the Big12 in Florida with a school or schools big enough to attract interest in Florida.

Quote:

Quote:First choice is FSU and Miami
Second choice is USF and UCF.

Has Fox said that?

They most certainly never said that publicly ... and since those are blogger rumors from "sources" chasing web hits, its obviously quite possible they never said precisely that privately, either.

(04-12-2013 01:35 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  A lot of folks on this board believe the networks control almost every conference move. I don't agree, but if that's true would they force Texas and the Big XII go to at least 12 schools to obtain a CCG? A CCG would net the network a gold mine... opinions welcome.

"You'll recall that last fall Boston College athletic director Gene Difilippo told the Boston Globe the ACC expanded to take Pitt and Syracuse because ESPN told the conference to do so. Remember these quotes? 'We always keep our television partners close to us,’’'Difilippo said. 'You don’t get extra money for basketball. It’s 85 percent football money.'"

"Florida State would be the next best possible addition to the Big 12, right? Even your grandmother could see this. Only how could ESPN fairly advise the Big 12 on the value of the addition of Florida State, Clemson, or Miami"....

http://outkickthecoverage.com/espn-fox-a...e-dame.php

(04-13-2013 06:12 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-13-2013 03:51 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-13-2013 06:18 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  Fox wants the B12 to be in Florida

Has Fox said that?

Fox hasn't said that publicly, but then again they wouldn't be likely to. But everything else equal, of course they'd like the Big12 in Florida with a school or schools big enough to attract interest in Florida.

Quote:

Quote:First choice is FSU and Miami
Second choice is USF and UCF.

Has Fox said that?

They most certainly never said that publicly ... and since those are blogger rumors from "sources" chasing web hits, its obviously quite possible they never said precisely that privately, either.

Did the B10 say they wanted Rutgers or UMD beforethey took them?

Was the BE suprised when Miami,bc and Va Tech were taken by theACC?

(04-12-2013 06:17 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  If the Big 12 really wanted to get to 12 then They could stay in Their own footprint and enlist the Locals SMU and Houston. They already added TCU last time so it's just Reinventing the SWC under a different name and boosting the LHC to homes that actually would watch it . It was a great conference in the day and all recruit Texas and Oklahoma anyway.

Lets not kid ourselves, if TCU had not had the success on the field the last decade they would not be in the Big 12 today. I do believe the Big 12 will get to 12 teams and the two teams they invite will bring a lot more to the table than what UH or SMU currently offers.