A lot of folks on this board believe the networks control almost every conference move. I don't agree, but if that's true would they force Texas and the Big XII go to at least 12 schools to obtain a CCG? A CCG would net the network a gold mine... opinions welcome.

(04-12-2013 01:35 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  A lot of folks on this board believe the networks control almost every conference move. I don't agree, but if that's true would they force Texas and the Big XII go to at least 12 schools to obtain a CCG? A CCG would net the network a gold mine... opinions welcome.

They don't "control" things like you herd cattle, pushing them along, perhaps with a cattle dog nipping at their heels ... they "control" things like you herd cats, by holding up a nice smelly piece of bologna.

The question is rather what would a network offer for a CCG, and would it be enough to convince the Big12 to bite.

I could see ESPN push football only invites to uconn and byu, send uconn to the big east. Thus, espn takes care of their home state + they already got a deal with byu and the big 12 gets a title game. Its not a bad setup but the big 12 probably wants better options. Problem for the big 12 is they can't get any better options without somebody raiding the acc. Best school's the big 12 could get right now are usf, ucf, uconn, cincy, byu, new mexico, colorado state, bosie state, sd state, afa...that's probably it.

(04-12-2013 01:53 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I could see ESPN push football only invites to uconn and byu, send uconn to the big east. Thus, espn takes care of their home state + they already got a deal with byu and the big 12 gets a title game. Its not a bad setup but the big 12 probably wants better options. Problem for the big 12 is they can't get any better options without somebody raiding the acc. Best school's the big 12 could get right now are usf, ucf, uconn, cincy, byu, new mexico, colorado state, bosie state, sd state, afa...that's probably it.

why the hell would ESPN push UConn to the Big East, a property they don't have? That makes NO sense at all.

when does conference realignment suppose to make sense? I could see BYU football only work in the big 12, so the big 12 needs one more school to get to 12. ESPN could throw a bone to uconn, maybe for some tax breaks to get into the big 12. I guess uconn could be a full member in the big 12 if travel really doesn't matter. Of course, if travel really doesn't matter, maybe the big 12 could bring in byu and hawaii football only. Why hawaii? they work as football only, flying is flying + you get an extra game with them on the schedule to make $, than just sell the road trip to your alums and recruits, you get to go to hawaii. Its just one away game every two years to hawaii, nice vacation package. With the football only invite you could make it a short term deal, like to match the GOR expiration date. Invite byu and ? for a 10 year invite, at the end of 10 years see what the landscape is like but in the process you get a champ game.

(04-12-2013 02:06 PM)bluesox Wrote:  when does conference realignment suppose to make sense? I could see BYU football only work in the big 12, so the big 12 needs one more school to get to 12. ESPN could throw a bone to uconn, maybe for some tax breaks to get into the big 12. I guess uconn could be a full member in the big 12 if travel really doesn't matter. Of course, if travel really doesn't matter, maybe the big 12 could bring in byu and hawaii football only. Why hawaii? they work as football only, flying is flying + you get an extra game with them on the schedule to make $, than just sell the road trip to your alums and recruits, you get to go to hawaii. Its just one away game every two years to hawaii, nice vacation package. With the football only invite you could make it a short term deal, like to match the GOR expiration date. Invite byu and ? for a 10 year invite, at the end of 10 years see what the landscape is like but in the process you get a champ game.

um... okay

it would get them to 12 and champ game with a nice road trip but not happening. The big 12 is really stuck, not many options to expand to 12 without diluting the product and thus eliminating their dream of brining in some prime expansion picks, so they are stuck at 10. They need somebody to shake things up so they get better options or settle for some school's to get to 12. Right now its stay at 10. I like the byu football only add for the big 12 but not sure who to pair them with to get to 12 if getting to 12 is the network mandate.

(04-12-2013 02:06 PM)bluesox Wrote:  when does conference realignment suppose to make sense?

It stopped making sense when TCU joined the Big East, IMHO. The crazy-pills haven't stopped since then.

Quote:I could see BYU football only work in the big 12, so the big 12 needs one more school to get to 12.

I'm honestly surprised that hasn't happened already.

(04-12-2013 01:35 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  A lot of folks on this board believe the networks control almost every conference move. I don't agree, but if that's true would they force Texas and the Big XII go to at least 12 schools to obtain a CCG? A CCG would net the network a gold mine... opinions welcome.

I honestly don't think the networks care that much about whether the Big 12 has a championship game or not. If they did, they wouldn't have given the Big 12 the same amount of money for 10 teams without a CCG that it would have given for 12 teams with a CCG. If the Big 12 adds schools like Florida State and Clemson, then sure, the networks would be all over that. If the Big 12 just expands for the sake of expanding, then the networks won't care. The quality of the regular season content is MUCH more important than whether there's a CCG game or not. They want the best games featuring Texas and/or Oklahoma as much as possible, so if expanding to 12 actually dilutes those matchups, then it could backfire.

Can't happen.

Nobody would want to buy a B12 Network without UT, OU or KU basketball.

(04-12-2013 02:23 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 01:35 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  A lot of folks on this board believe the networks control almost every conference move. I don't agree, but if that's true would they force Texas and the Big XII go to at least 12 schools to obtain a CCG? A CCG would net the network a gold mine... opinions welcome.

I honestly don't think the networks care that much about whether the Big 12 has a championship game or not. If they did, they wouldn't have given the Big 12 the same amount of money for 10 teams without a CCG that it would have given for 12 teams with a CCG. If the Big 12 adds schools like Florida State and Clemson, then sure, the networks would be all over that. If the Big 12 just expands for the sake of expanding, then the networks won't care. The quality of the regular season content is MUCH more important than whether there's a CCG game or not. They want the best games featuring Texas and/or Oklahoma as much as possible, so if expanding to 12 actually dilutes those matchups, then it could backfire.

Of course it would have to be a couple of marquee schools... A CCG adds yet another big money game to the mix. They will always find a way to allow the Sooners to beat the heck out of UT annually...lol

I won't pay for the LHN and I won't pay for the SEC network. Most games worthwhile like Alabama-Georgia, Auburn-Florida, South Carolina-Tenn will be OTA. I don't care to pay the SEC to watch A&M vs Miss St, Arkansas vs Vandy or A&M-Mizzou.

I love having the Sunday Ticket but the day they announce they are bringing on the SEC network is the day I cancel DirecTV for good.

If Texas and Oklahoma were placed in different divisions, than the big 12 title game could have punch with the tv folks. Yet, i don't think those school's want that format. Unless FSU is knocking on the door, its probably a lot easier for the big 12 to just stay at 10. I could see getting byu football only to jump to 11 but that is somewhat complicated. The format worked for the big 10 for years though and byu football could be a good product for the big 12. Bottom line, the big 12 is in a pretty weak position with regards to expanding, so expansion really isn't something they are interested in and will just try to live with a 10 team format.

(04-12-2013 02:33 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  I won't pay for the LHN and I won't pay for the SEC network. Most games worthwhile like Alabama-Georgia, Auburn-Florida, South Carolina-Tenn will be OTA. I don't care to pay the SEC to watch A&M vs Miss St, Arkansas vs Vandy or A&M-Mizzou.

I love having the Sunday Ticket but the day they announce they are bringing on the SEC network is the day I cancel DirecTV for good.

Come on dude...... we will get it for you really cheap... don't be that way.

Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't there murmurings of other conferences making 12 teams a minimum for consideration in the future playoff setup? I'd think this is more of the catalyst for getting the BigXII to 12 teams. I agree the networks would like a CCG for the BigXII, but not if it doesn't move the needle, unless like I mentioned before there is some type of requirement to have 12 teams for the playoff system that's coming.

(04-12-2013 02:23 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 01:35 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  A lot of folks on this board believe the networks control almost every conference move. I don't agree, but if that's true would they force Texas and the Big XII go to at least 12 schools to obtain a CCG? A CCG would net the network a gold mine... opinions welcome.

I honestly don't think the networks care that much about whether the Big 12 has a championship game or not. If they did, they wouldn't have given the Big 12 the same amount of money for 10 teams without a CCG that it would have given for 12 teams with a CCG. If the Big 12 adds schools like Florida State and Clemson, then sure, the networks would be all over that. If the Big 12 just expands for the sake of expanding, then the networks won't care. The quality of the regular season content is MUCH more important than whether there's a CCG game or not. They want the best games featuring Texas and/or Oklahoma as much as possible, so if expanding to 12 actually dilutes those matchups, then it could backfire.

You're totally missing the point on what happened in 2010. They couldn't reduce the contract without saying it had decreased in value and then prove it. But since it had actually increased, they had no choice but to offer the same.

(04-12-2013 02:27 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Can't happen.

Nobody would want to buy a B12 Network without UT, OU or KU basketball.

Actually Fox Southwest pretty much has a Big 12 network. They bought the rights to OU, Okie St., Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU and Kansas St.

Texas and Iowa St. have their own networks. WVU is in the process. KU has an existing deal.

(04-12-2013 01:35 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  A lot of folks on this board believe the networks control almost every conference move. I don't agree, but if that's true would they force Texas and the Big XII go to at least 12 schools to obtain a CCG? A CCG would net the network a gold mine... opinions welcome.

Deloss Dodds would more likely change his circa 1956 Don Draper hairstyle long before he changes his circa 1956 college football conference "world view"...

(04-12-2013 02:33 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  I won't pay for the LHN and I won't pay for the SEC network. Most games worthwhile like Alabama-Georgia, Auburn-Florida, South Carolina-Tenn will be OTA. I don't care to pay the SEC to watch A&M vs Miss St, Arkansas vs Vandy or A&M-Mizzou.

I love having the Sunday Ticket but the day they announce they are bringing on the SEC network is the day I cancel DirecTV for good.

Cancel your DirectTV - that will show 'em!! Considering the teams you root for, I suspect you are used to not having a rooting interest to watch on Saturdays anyway. Might as well hate on the SEC...

(04-12-2013 04:09 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't there murmurings of other conferences making 12 teonsideration in the future playoff setup? I'd think this is more of the catalyst for getting the BigXII to 12 teams. I agree the networks would like a CCG for the BigXII, but not if it doesn't move the needle, unless like I mentioned before there is some type of requirement to have 12 teams for the playoff system that's coming.

I read everything out there that I can find about this stuff and I would say the mmumurigs you heard were not real. I surmise what you may have heard were just some posters just speculating on what might happen. There appears to be no substance to the murmurings.