As fun as this topic is, not once (of 3) has a Big Ten invite been preceded by reports of "contact". And "flirtation" appears to have backfired on Mizzou.

(04-05-2013 06:27 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  As fun as this topic is, not once (of 3) has a Big Ten invite been preceded by reports of "contact". And "flirtation" appears to have backfired on Mizzou.

Hey, Mizzou's all good now, and thanks for turning us down.

IMO FSU's reluctance is more based on familiarity. It's easier to stick with the dog you know...

(04-05-2013 06:51 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Hey, Mizzou's all good now, and thanks for turning us down.

Sure thing. Looks like it sort-off worked out well maybe?

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(04-05-2013 08:42 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(04-05-2013 06:51 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Hey, Mizzou's all good now, and thanks for turning us down.

Sure thing. Looks like it sort-off worked out well maybe?

+2.... Yep. I guess it did. Should have took Nebraska, Kansas, and Mizzou as a nice mid west package three years ago. Water under the bridge.

I've never understood the obsession with the SEC among FSU fans. I've always thought the B1G is the better option.

Well, I understand it. It's the mentality of "FOOTBALL!" And while I'm a massive FSU football fan, and playing in the SEC for that would be awesome ... I'm also an alumni, and you can't look at the big picture and think it's even a competition.

B1G means huge markets. Good football. Great basketball. Amazing academics (including actual academic cooperation, unlike the ACC).

Just as an alumni, even WANTING in the B1G means a major commitment to AAU status. If we're just focusing on SEC football, no one cares.

The SEC's entire value right now is based on providing a great football product. While that's awesome, if the SEC goes down for a few years, the weaker markets will show themselves, bandwagon fans will abandon them, etc. There's a reason the B1G makes so much money despite being a much weaker football product. I'm also not confident that this "football as king" mentality lasts long-term. Passions change, and if basketball rises again, the SEC is going to be in a bad position (currently #9 in conference RPI).

SEC would be huge for football ... the B1G would be huge for everything. I personally don't think the superiority of SEC football trumps the superiority of everything else in the B1G for Florida State as an institution. People who only care about Florida State as a football program likely disagree.

(04-06-2013 02:13 AM)Ryan-o Wrote:  Just as an alumni, even WANTING in the B1G means a major commitment to AAU status. If we're just focusing on SEC football, no one cares.

Oh, there you go again...

Every time I about give up on the Interwebs as a bunch of lunatic fans (present thread excluded, of course) and start doing something more constructive, a sane voice comes along and keeps me posting.

Thanks Ryan.

Good luck tonight. See you Monday.

(04-05-2013 05:26 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  I hope you're not counting me as the Louisville fan with the negative opinion. FSU can do what it wants. It's a free country. I'm asking what the hold up is. Why did they put up the big fight when Maryland left? Why not just go with them if it's so obvious that the B1G wants FSU and FSU wants the B1G?

What "big fight" did FSU put up against Maryland? FSU put it's name on the lawsuit because it'd look pretty weird if an ACC member or two didn't. FSU also likely wants its part of the exit fee. But FSU also signed some bullcrap solidarity pact with the other ACC presidents which FSU obviously doesn't care about at all since it's publicly stated on several occasions, "We are looking at our options." I think FSU's actions towards the whole ACC exit fee in recent years prove that.

(04-05-2013 06:24 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(04-05-2013 05:31 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I don't go to many ACC parties so yea, I s'pose folk think I'm mighty peachy.

You remind me a lot of my wife's ex husband.

That's riveting. Really.

FSU isn't going to the Big, nor the SEC. If it moves it will be part of 2nd wave of schools to the B12. SEC has 0 need for FSU, it owns Fl. with UF. Big isn't going down that low on academics totem pole, to take them.

If Big and SEC grab 2 each the B12 will be all over FSU, and Clemson.

IF anything happens, it won't happen until the Maryland case is settled...

(04-06-2013 09:49 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  IF anything happens, it won't happen until the Maryland case is settled...

Yep and when it is settled, Miami will be a more likely B10 Candidate than FSU and academics are a large part of the reason since Miami is getting itself prepared to apply for AAU membership and when they get it the B10 will be all over them. At least half of their student body is from the Midwest/Northeast; they are in a major market, have upgraded hoops significantly, excellent baseball and Miami is one of the top 3 markets nationally for football talent.

Miami would be no great loss for the ACC. They've done nothing in the conference since they arrived, except get in trouble...

(04-06-2013 10:25 AM)Poliicious Wrote:  

(04-06-2013 09:49 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  IF anything happens, it won't happen until the Maryland case is settled...

Yep and when it is settled, Miami will be a more likely B10 Candidate than FSU and academics are a large part of the reason since Miami is getting itself prepared to apply for AAU membership and when they get it the B10 will be all over them. At least half of their student body is from the Midwest/Northeast; they are in a major market, have upgraded hoops significantly, excellent baseball and Miami is one of the top 3 markets nationally for football talent.

The big problem is that the AAU is not an organization that takes applications for membership. They invite who they want.

(04-06-2013 07:14 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(04-06-2013 02:13 AM)Ryan-o Wrote:  Just as an alumni, even WANTING in the B1G means a major commitment to AAU status. If we're just focusing on SEC football, no one cares.

Oh, there you go again...

Every time I about give up on the Interwebs as a bunch of lunatic fans (present thread excluded, of course) and start doing something more constructive, a sane voice comes along and keeps me posting.

Thanks Ryan.

Good luck tonight. See you Monday.

I won't argue the academics side of the issue as I believe you are correct regarding the B1G. You are also correct that this forum discusses the advantages and disadvantages of current and future conference affiliations as it pertains to NCAA sports. We are not scholars for the most part. We are merely wishing and dreaming of bettering our particular institutions in the field of sports. Sports gets me through life everyday, so yes, where everyone ends up conference-wise, means a lot. Not trying to solve the country's problems on this forum. Just trying to make Saturday better...

(04-06-2013 12:27 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  

(04-06-2013 10:25 AM)Poliicious Wrote:  

(04-06-2013 09:49 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  IF anything happens, it won't happen until the Maryland case is settled...

Yep and when it is settled, Miami will be a more likely B10 Candidate than FSU and academics are a large part of the reason since Miami is getting itself prepared to apply for AAU membership and when they get it the B10 will be all over them. At least half of their student body is from the Midwest/Northeast; they are in a major market, have upgraded hoops significantly, excellent baseball and Miami is one of the top 3 markets nationally for football talent.

The big problem is that the AAU is not an organization that takes applications for membership. They invite who they want.

This fact seems to escape some. Add to this that Georgia Tech only recently got in themselves, shows how hard it is to get that invite now as opposed to the 60s or 70s.

Cheers,
Neil

(04-06-2013 07:14 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(04-06-2013 02:13 AM)Ryan-o Wrote:  Just as an alumni, even WANTING in the B1G means a major commitment to AAU status. If we're just focusing on SEC football, no one cares.

Oh, there you go again...

Every time I about give up on the Interwebs as a bunch of lunatic fans (present thread excluded, of course) and start doing something more constructive, a sane voice comes along and keeps me posting.

Thanks Ryan.

Good luck tonight. See you Monday.

Absolutely, man. I'm all for my hometown Shockers right now

I've been impressed with FSU's academic progress in recent years. Hope we keep it up, and the flirtations with the B1G provides impetus to do so, despite the public funding cuts.

The AAU also has a lot of members who got their invite 100+ years ago but haven't maintained the same commitment to research over the years. They haven't done enough to get kicked out but they have made the AAU very wary about who they add now in modern times...and a lot of members want to keep it as exclusive as possible. The result is that as of the past 20 years, its now much harder to get into in the club than it was before.

(04-06-2013 08:31 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  FSU isn't going to the Big, nor the SEC. If it moves it will be part of 2nd wave of schools to the B12. SEC has 0 need for FSU, it owns Fl. with UF. Big isn't going down that low on academics totem pole, to take them.

If Big and SEC grab 2 each the B12 will be all over FSU, and Clemson.

What are you talking about "going down" on the "academics totem pole" in order to take FSU? FSU's risen 8 spots in the last 4 years in national public university rank (US News) while 9 out of the 12 current Big Ten members are actually lower ranked now than they were in 2010. FSU's even ranked higher than a current Big Ten member and does more research than a different current member. FSU's no Michigan but there's no reason for anyone to hold their nose up at FSU's academics, either.

FSU compares very favorably to HALF of the current Big Ten membership in terms of middle 50% of SAT/ACT scores (collegeboard.org):
FSU 1120-1280 SAT, 25-29 ACT
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IU 1050-1280 SAT, 24-29 ACT
PSU 1090-1300 SAT, 25-29 ACT
PU 1060-1300 SAT, 24-30 ACT
MSU 980-1270 SAT, 23-28 ACT
NU 1050-1340, 22-29 ACT
Iowa 1020-1320 SAT, 22-28 ACT

(04-06-2013 10:25 AM)Poliicious Wrote:  

(04-06-2013 09:49 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  IF anything happens, it won't happen until the Maryland case is settled...

Yep and when it is settled, Miami will be a more likely B10 Candidate than FSU and academics are a large part of the reason since Miami is getting itself prepared to apply for AAU membership and when they get it the B10 will be all over them. At least half of their student body is from the Midwest/Northeast; they are in a major market, have upgraded hoops significantly, excellent baseball and Miami is one of the top 3 markets nationally for football talent.

Miami doesn't quite fit the large, public university profile that is the Big Ten. FSU would land the Miami market, too. And Miami basketball will likely fall back to mediocrity next year after losing 5 seniors.

(04-06-2013 02:16 PM)Ryan-o Wrote:  

(04-06-2013 07:14 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(04-06-2013 02:13 AM)Ryan-o Wrote:  Just as an alumni, even WANTING in the B1G means a major commitment to AAU status. If we're just focusing on SEC football, no one cares.

Oh, there you go again...

Every time I about give up on the Interwebs as a bunch of lunatic fans (present thread excluded, of course) and start doing something more constructive, a sane voice comes along and keeps me posting.

Thanks Ryan.

Good luck tonight. See you Monday.

Absolutely, man. I'm all for my hometown Shockers right now

I've been impressed with FSU's academic progress in recent years. Hope we keep it up, and the flirtations with the B1G provides impetus to do so, despite the public funding cuts.

My understanding is that all Florida public universities will regain the funds that were cut last year and will likely see funding increased beyond that level in the upcoming budget. There's also a bill going around in the legislature to grant FSU and UF a separate designation than the other state schools which would likely entail receiving an extra $15M/year on top of what is already procured.