(04-02-2013 11:21 AM)LifetimeTopper Wrote:  

(04-02-2013 11:04 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 03:31 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Once again this board has shown an incredible resolve to steer the discussion away from the facts, away from objective dialogue, and into the realm of ridiculous teeny bopping banter. I am finished. You people are impossible to debate in any way that even closely resembles objectivity. As the majority of you have college degrees you should be ashamed of yourselves for acting like children and refusing to debate me objectively.

This is my last post on these boards until we receive an SBC invite, which is coming this spring, mark my words on that.

This is not the same type of Forum that the Areopagus was to Paul in Acts. Reasoning here will not get you far. Let your yes be yes and your no be no, and do what you say you're going to do. It will be better for you in the end, trust me. The persistence of some of your posters on here comes off as annoying rather than informational. Just do what you say you're going to do and step away for awhile. It will be ok.

On another note... how about them Braves?

Reason goes a long way, but so does considering multiple view points and multiple lines of reason.

I think C4L makes very valid points with regards to the theological foundations of LU, but also think he's missing the forest for the trees with regards to the bigger picture because in the end, perception IS reality. And it's that perception that hurts LU.

With regards to athletic prowess, in the major sports LU doesn't have a leg to stand on. But again, this thread wasn't about Liberty; it was about the merits (or supposed lack thereof) of JMU.

Yes, I would agree. Perception IS reality. I have always believed that and always will, hence why I am attempting to change that perception.

The perception of Liberty is still very much influenced by Jerry Falwell, and Gonzo has stated as much. We understand that. The facts need to be brought forth however, and those perceptions need to change.

Jerry Falwell Jr is not his father. He is not a preacher, he is not a pastor. He earned his JD from the University of Virginia and had a very successful real estate career after school and during his early years on staff at Liberty. He is a businessman, not a pastor.

""Falwell, 50, acknowledged that Liberty’s image continues to be influenced by the legacy of his late father’s political activism. The elder Falwell, who died in May 2007, was a polarizing figure — beloved on the right, despised on the left.

But his son said Liberty has turned a page.

“We’re not the Moral Majority anymore,” Falwell said, referring to the religious conservative movement his father founded. “We’re not a church. Our mission is to educate.”""


Gonzo, to continue to bash Liberty for someone who has been dead for 6 years is really stretching it. Bill Clinton cheated on his wife, but not all liberals are cheaters. Jerry Falwell made some stupid comments...but not all Liberty people believe in them nor support them. Any educated person knows better than to lump an entire university together under the comments of one person. Heck I didn't even know who Jerry Falwell was before I came here.

Ask any 17 year old who Jerry Falwell was. Doubtful that even 1% of all 17 year olds have heard of him.

How long will you keep clinging to the past? Don't think you think it is time to turn the page? We have.

To be fair, anyone that is bankrolled by their billionaire father is likely going to have a successful career.

Not for nothing but the SBC just took a football school 36 hours away driving fromits headquarters rather than take Liberty.

IJS

Someone has already said I think but it bares repeating. No school with an active faculty and/or student government is voting Liberty in.

(04-02-2013 03:57 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(04-02-2013 11:21 AM)LifetimeTopper Wrote:  

(04-02-2013 11:04 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 03:31 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Once again this board has shown an incredible resolve to steer the discussion away from the facts, away from objective dialogue, and into the realm of ridiculous teeny bopping banter. I am finished. You people are impossible to debate in any way that even closely resembles objectivity. As the majority of you have college degrees you should be ashamed of yourselves for acting like children and refusing to debate me objectively.

This is my last post on these boards until we receive an SBC invite, which is coming this spring, mark my words on that.

This is not the same type of Forum that the Areopagus was to Paul in Acts. Reasoning here will not get you far. Let your yes be yes and your no be no, and do what you say you're going to do. It will be better for you in the end, trust me. The persistence of some of your posters on here comes off as annoying rather than informational. Just do what you say you're going to do and step away for awhile. It will be ok.

On another note... how about them Braves?

Reason goes a long way, but so does considering multiple view points and multiple lines of reason.

I think C4L makes very valid points with regards to the theological foundations of LU, but also think he's missing the forest for the trees with regards to the bigger picture because in the end, perception IS reality. And it's that perception that hurts LU.

With regards to athletic prowess, in the major sports LU doesn't have a leg to stand on. But again, this thread wasn't about Liberty; it was about the merits (or supposed lack thereof) of JMU.

Yes, I would agree. Perception IS reality. I have always believed that and always will, hence why I am attempting to change that perception.

The perception of Liberty is still very much influenced by Jerry Falwell, and Gonzo has stated as much. We understand that. The facts need to be brought forth however, and those perceptions need to change.

Jerry Falwell Jr is not his father. He is not a preacher, he is not a pastor. He earned his JD from the University of Virginia and had a very successful real estate career after school and during his early years on staff at Liberty. He is a businessman, not a pastor.

""Falwell, 50, acknowledged that Liberty’s image continues to be influenced by the legacy of his late father’s political activism. The elder Falwell, who died in May 2007, was a polarizing figure — beloved on the right, despised on the left.

But his son said Liberty has turned a page.

“We’re not the Moral Majority anymore,” Falwell said, referring to the religious conservative movement his father founded. “We’re not a church. Our mission is to educate.”""


Gonzo, to continue to bash Liberty for someone who has been dead for 6 years is really stretching it. Bill Clinton cheated on his wife, but not all liberals are cheaters. Jerry Falwell made some stupid comments...but not all Liberty people believe in them nor support them. Any educated person knows better than to lump an entire university together under the comments of one person. Heck I didn't even know who Jerry Falwell was before I came here.

Ask any 17 year old who Jerry Falwell was. Doubtful that even 1% of all 17 year olds have heard of him.

How long will you keep clinging to the past? Don't think you think it is time to turn the page? We have.

You have yet to acknowledge that you would stop posting on these boards until Liberty gets an invite. Just going to ignore yourself?

And you didn't address the athletic part of the equation. You guys have NOT had athletic success despite your deep pockets. What makes you think that will change by moving to a MORE competitive division and conference?

(04-02-2013 04:15 PM)LifetimeTopper Wrote:  You have yet to acknowledge that you would stop posting on these boards until Liberty gets an invite. Just going to ignore yourself?

And you didn't address the athletic part of the equation. You guys have NOT had athletic success despite your deep pockets. What makes you think that will change by moving to a MORE competitive division and conference?

JMU is on the clock. They want MAC or CUSA. Should they decline or don't answer we're next. I figure that is close enough. Smoke/fire...or in this case....Flames.


I would love nothing more than to ONLY talk about athletics. First, we'll have to come to a mutual definition of athletic success. You define it first, as your perception is reality. My guess is that our definitions will differ greatly, so I'm giving you first choice. You're right, we've never made the FCS playoffs in football. You can put that as your number one as I knew you were going to say it. How else do you define athletic success? Do tell.

Falwell was far from a billionaire. He poured all his finances into the early years if Liberty. He lived a very modest life.

(04-02-2013 04:33 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(04-02-2013 04:15 PM)LifetimeTopper Wrote:  You have yet to acknowledge that you would stop posting on these boards until Liberty gets an invite. Just going to ignore yourself?

And you didn't address the athletic part of the equation. You guys have NOT had athletic success despite your deep pockets. What makes you think that will change by moving to a MORE competitive division and conference?

JMU is on the clock. They want MAC or CUSA. Should they decline or don't answer we're next. I figure that is close enough. Smoke/fire...or in this case....Flames.


I would love nothing more than to ONLY talk about athletics. First, we'll have to come to a mutual definition of athletic success. You define it first, as your perception is reality. My guess is that our definitions will differ greatly, so I'm giving you first choice. You're right, we've never made the FCS playoffs in football. You can put that as your number one as I knew you were going to say it. How else do you define athletic success? Do tell.

Speculation on a message board does not equate to an invite, but obviously you're not going away.

And let's hear YOUR definition of athletic success as it pertains to Liberty. (And please understand that while I'm entertaining this, I don't think that this was the appropriate topic for it.)

(04-02-2013 04:33 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(04-02-2013 04:15 PM)LifetimeTopper Wrote:  You have yet to acknowledge that you would stop posting on these boards until Liberty gets an invite. Just going to ignore yourself?

And you didn't address the athletic part of the equation. You guys have NOT had athletic success despite your deep pockets. What makes you think that will change by moving to a MORE competitive division and conference?

JMU is on the clock. They want MAC or CUSA. Should they decline or don't answer we're next. I figure that is close enough. Smoke/fire...or in this case....Flames.


I would love nothing more than to ONLY talk about athletics. First, we'll have to come to a mutual definition of athletic success. You define it first, as your perception is reality. My guess is that our definitions will differ greatly, so I'm giving you first choice. You're right, we've never made the FCS playoffs in football. You can put that as your number one as I knew you were going to say it. How else do you define athletic success? Do tell.

Dude, you said you would not come back until LU got an invite. Keep your word or publicly announce you are now pivoting away from that statement
Athletic success usually means WINNING. LU has won the Big South but never been to the FCS playoffs. This would not be an issue if LU's football team was less than 10 years old. Please, if you are pivoting from your no posting pledge, name in football and/or Men's basketball the biggest wins in LU History.

(04-02-2013 04:33 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(04-02-2013 04:15 PM)LifetimeTopper Wrote:  You have yet to acknowledge that you would stop posting on these boards until Liberty gets an invite. Just going to ignore yourself?

And you didn't address the athletic part of the equation. You guys have NOT had athletic success despite your deep pockets. What makes you think that will change by moving to a MORE competitive division and conference?

JMU is on the clock. They want MAC or CUSA. Should they decline or don't answer we're next. I figure that is close enough. Smoke/fire...or in this case....Flames.


I would love nothing more than to ONLY talk about athletics. First, we'll have to come to a mutual definition of athletic success. You define it first, as your perception is reality. My guess is that our definitions will differ greatly, so I'm giving you first choice. You're right, we've never made the FCS playoffs in football. You can put that as your number one as I knew you were going to say it. How else do you define athletic success? Do tell.

Truthfully, are you paid by Liberty University and does LU bring you your meals in some computer room at LU? Is it your job to post on something every minute of every day for Liberty University?

(04-02-2013 02:42 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Was fairly sure that you were.

Sorry to disappoint you

(04-02-2013 04:59 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(04-02-2013 02:42 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Was fairly sure that you were.

Sorry to disappoint you

Hey, that's the best news I have had today.

(04-02-2013 04:59 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(04-02-2013 02:42 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Was fairly sure that you were.

Sorry to disappoint you

^


Love the name man!!

(04-02-2013 05:01 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(04-02-2013 04:59 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(04-02-2013 02:42 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Was fairly sure that you were.

Sorry to disappoint you

Hey, that's the best news I have had today.

You must have had a very slow day

(04-01-2013 01:09 PM)runamuck Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 12:43 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 12:37 PM)redfan Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 10:23 AM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  JMU us a great school, but not a good fit for the Sunbelt. While JMU us located in VA they primarily recruit students from the Northeast. If you look at the demographics you'll see probably 80% if their students not from VA are from New Jeresy, Pennsylvania, Maryland and New York.

http://www.jmu.edu/instresrch/statsum/20...3toc.shtml

This is not a JMU vs. Liberty thread, so please don't turn it into that. Just pointing out why I think their a poor fit and why they'll likely turn down an invite. If you read their boards most really want to go FBS, but not to the Sunbelt.

I think Liberty is a poor fit and why they will likely be turned down by the Sunbelt.

Believe the SB presidents would be afraid they would be looked at with a very critical eye if they even thought about adding LU.

neither jmu or liberty add anything to the conference. neither are very substantial in sports or academics..I say dont add either.

Um, you may want to do some research bud. You are definitely misinformed.

(04-02-2013 05:03 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(04-02-2013 04:59 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(04-02-2013 02:42 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Was fairly sure that you were.

Sorry to disappoint you

^


Love the name man!!

Some thing are better WITH underwear

(04-02-2013 06:00 PM)jmad1son Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 01:09 PM)runamuck Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 12:43 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 12:37 PM)redfan Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 10:23 AM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  JMU us a great school, but not a good fit for the Sunbelt. While JMU us located in VA they primarily recruit students from the Northeast. If you look at the demographics you'll see probably 80% if their students not from VA are from New Jeresy, Pennsylvania, Maryland and New York.

http://www.jmu.edu/instresrch/statsum/20...3toc.shtml

This is not a JMU vs. Liberty thread, so please don't turn it into that. Just pointing out why I think their a poor fit and why they'll likely turn down an invite. If you read their boards most really want to go FBS, but not to the Sunbelt.

I think Liberty is a poor fit and why they will likely be turned down by the Sunbelt.

Believe the SB presidents would be afraid they would be looked at with a very critical eye if they even thought about adding LU.

neither jmu or liberty add anything to the conference. neither are very substantial in sports or academics..I say dont add either.

Um, you may want to do some research bud. You are definitely misinformed.

James Madison is a great school.
For 2012 for example JMU took 4,029 students out of 22,349 that applied.
Does that sound like a school that is not very substantial in academics?

I believe JMU ranked as the 35th best undergraduate business school in the nation last year. Don't recall the publication but needless to say, JMU has an excellent academic reputation.

Update...28th best as rated by Businessweek
http://www.jmu.edu/cob/ranking.shtml