(03-28-2013 10:47 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Quote:At the house, investigators found books about autism and Asperger's syndrome as well as an NRA guide to pistol shooting.

Police said they found a smashed computer hard drive and a gaming console in Lanza's bedroom. An unnamed source told investigators that Lanza was an avid gamer who played "Call of Duty" and other games and rarely left his home.

Investigators found articles on other shootings and a holiday card containing a check made out to Adam Lanza for the purchase of a firearm, authored by his mother, Nancy Lanza.

Documents indicate that authorities found a gun safe with shotgun shells and numerous boxes of bullets. In a bedroom closet, they found ear plugs, a handwritten note regarding ammunition and magazines, paperwork on guns and a metal bayonet.

In a top drawer of a filing cabinet, they found paper targets. In a duffel bag, they found ear and eye protection, binoculars, numerous other paper targets and Lanza's NRA certificate.

Authorities found numerous knives, including samurai swords. They found a military-style uniform in Lanza's bedroom and handwritten notes containing the addresses of local gun shops.

I don't believe there is any evidence of a link between these video games and actual violence. Penn & Teller debunked this a few years back, so if there is nothing more recent...

Sure... but the author of the article apparently thinks there is.... PLUS an apparent link between Samurai swords and bayonettes, much less handwritten notes or not leaving the house much and mass murder. There also seems to be a correlation between taking a course in handgun safety and murder... so we'd better stop those courses, huh?

Given your statement about Penn and Teller, can you determine the number of violent video games vs the number of murders by people who play them?

I ask because Lanza is clearly someone who played them, and killed someone. He would also be someone who had guns and killed someone. Given 300mm guns in this country and about 11,000 deaths by guns... I'm betting the "correlation" between gun ownership and gun violence is probably pretty close to the video game numbers.

I'm betting the number of people who ILLEGALLY own guns and committ violence with them is pretty high.

I fail to see the point of that article.

These points may be an aside, but still need to be made.

- Overall, violent crime is down over the past 10 years
- Gun related crime is down over the same period
- Nearly 500 dead last year in the bastion of gun control, Chicago (but it hardly merits a mention from the anti-gun MSM)

If you pick any two week period in Chicago at random, chances are pretty good that the total number of victims of gun violence will equal or exceed the number of victims at Newtown. IOW, an ongoing slow motion Newtown with no end in sight.

Granted, Newtown came not all that long after the Aurora theatre shootings. Each was and is tragic and was the result of a madman.

We had the toddler shot in the stroller last week. If 26 children died across the U.S. over the course of a week or two in cases of gun violence, that is certainly tragic. But is it MORE tragic that 26 children died all at one scene of violence than in 26 different cases? Yes, it may be more horrific, but is it any more or less tragic?

The left and the anti-gun crowd waited until they had the 'perfect storm' of emotion before they and their media allies launched their assault on the 2nd amendment. That the left waited until Newtown to go full tilt on gun control leaves me with several questions.

Q. - Is it worse to have one massacre or an on-going spate of deadly shootings week after week after week? (Is it the SPEED in which the number of victims were racked up that makes it most outrageous?)

Q. - Why the outrage at Newtown and not a peep about Chicago?
Could it be the race of the victims? Could it be that most people know and accept that many parts of Chicago are a violent place and infested with gang violence? Is it because the mostly white Newtown was 'such a quiet place' and that kind of thing never happens there? Could it have been the ages of the victims? Chicago has lost a lot of children in the gang violence crossfire, too.

Q. - Is there a political component to the selective outrage? (Political correctness?) Is there a component that can't be spoken about?

I'm not trying to minimize the tragic nature of what happened - at all. Just posing a few questions to ponder and I suspect that many already know the answers. Some just won't admit to them.

(03-28-2013 09:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Contents of Adam Lanza's pad made known.

Wow...just wow!

Adam Lanza, Newtown Gunman, Had An Arsenal Of Weapons, Gun Safe, Swords, Search Warrants Reveal

Quote:At the house, investigators found books about autism and Asperger's syndrome as well as an NRA guide to pistol shooting.

Police said they found a smashed computer hard drive and a gaming console in Lanza's bedroom. An unnamed source told investigators that Lanza was an avid gamer who played "Call of Duty" and other games and rarely left his home.

Investigators found articles on other shootings and a holiday card containing a check made out to Adam Lanza for the purchase of a firearm, authored by his mother, Nancy Lanza.

Documents indicate that authorities found a gun safe with shotgun shells and numerous boxes of bullets. In a bedroom closet, they found ear plugs, a handwritten note regarding ammunition and magazines, paperwork on guns and a metal bayonet.

In a top drawer of a filing cabinet, they found paper targets. In a duffel bag, they found ear and eye protection, binoculars, numerous other paper targets and Lanza's NRA certificate.

Authorities found numerous knives, including samurai swords. They found a military-style uniform in Lanza's bedroom and handwritten notes containing the addresses of local gun shops.

Lanza never had a NRA certificate. NRA has said lanza nor his mother are on any of their logs. NBC is misreporting thing yet again.

(03-28-2013 01:21 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 12:47 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 11:50 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  I just finished reading it. Kinda pointless really. It doesn't matter what was at his house, nor does it really matter what he used in the shooting. Gun crimes are down across the board and tragedies like these strike a note with people, seemingly making them seem more prevalent than they really are.
No law or set of laws can protect any of us from a mentally unstable person. This guy was seriously disturbed, and would have found some other way to kill if guns weren't available. Hell you can drive around town and buy everything you need to blow up an entire building in a matter of hours, all without raising an eyebrow from authorities. I'd like to see some common sense laws regarding mental health and weapons, but it's hard to imagine law that would have kept someone this deranged from killing.
It will be interesting to see the final findings and hopefully they will include some of his medical history, diagnosis, and family information. I hope they spend some time on the mother as well, finding out what she did or should have done differently regarding her son and weapons. It's pretty common sense to me that if you know you kid is unstable to not introduce him to firearms the way his parents seemingly did.

If what was in the house doesn't matter, why then would they even waste the time and money to look in the house?

I was talking about the guns that were in the house that don't matter. This has to do with his mental state and what pushed him to commit murder, not about what weapons were used.

Bingo. The left just refuses to see the big picture on this matter.

Instead of addressing the problem, they are simply going after the agent through which the problem is enacted. Too bad that solves nothing long term.

These kids will just use more handguns instead of assault weapons, or worse yet, figure out how to build a bomb online. It takes literally two to three seconds to google how to make a bomb on the Internet.

Maybe the next "newtown isn't" a nut with a gun, it's a nut with a bomb. That'll be great. But again, banning guns does nothing to solve the core problem which is extreme medication being used on kids at very young ages and the disgusting culture which we currently live in where violence and killing isn't just tolerated in tv and video games, it's glorified.

Movies like pulp fiction, kill bill, boondock saints and countless others glorify the use of violence and promote it as a way to solve a problem. Then the same liberal @ssholes who celebrate this talk out of the other side of their mouths about how the average American should be banned from ever owning such weapons, even for self defense or simply for the purposes of being able to resist government oppression should they need it when the time comes.

Hypocritical, disgusting and anti American, but par for the course for the left in this country.

(03-28-2013 06:47 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 09:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Contents of Adam Lanza's pad made known.

Wow...just wow!

Adam Lanza, Newtown Gunman, Had An Arsenal Of Weapons, Gun Safe, Swords, Search Warrants Reveal

Quote:At the house, investigators found books about autism and Asperger's syndrome as well as an NRA guide to pistol shooting.

Police said they found a smashed computer hard drive and a gaming console in Lanza's bedroom. An unnamed source told investigators that Lanza was an avid gamer who played "Call of Duty" and other games and rarely left his home.

Investigators found articles on other shootings and a holiday card containing a check made out to Adam Lanza for the purchase of a firearm, authored by his mother, Nancy Lanza.

Documents indicate that authorities found a gun safe with shotgun shells and numerous boxes of bullets. In a bedroom closet, they found ear plugs, a handwritten note regarding ammunition and magazines, paperwork on guns and a metal bayonet.

In a top drawer of a filing cabinet, they found paper targets. In a duffel bag, they found ear and eye protection, binoculars, numerous other paper targets and Lanza's NRA certificate.

Authorities found numerous knives, including samurai swords. They found a military-style uniform in Lanza's bedroom and handwritten notes containing the addresses of local gun shops.

Lanza never had a NRA certificate. NRA has said lanza nor his mother are on any of their logs. NBC is misreporting thing yet again.

Well, that settles that. The NRA said neither he or his mother had an NRA certificate so it must be true.

(03-29-2013 01:00 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 06:47 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 09:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Contents of Adam Lanza's pad made known.

Wow...just wow!

Adam Lanza, Newtown Gunman, Had An Arsenal Of Weapons, Gun Safe, Swords, Search Warrants Reveal

Quote:At the house, investigators found books about autism and Asperger's syndrome as well as an NRA guide to pistol shooting.

Police said they found a smashed computer hard drive and a gaming console in Lanza's bedroom. An unnamed source told investigators that Lanza was an avid gamer who played "Call of Duty" and other games and rarely left his home.

Investigators found articles on other shootings and a holiday card containing a check made out to Adam Lanza for the purchase of a firearm, authored by his mother, Nancy Lanza.

Documents indicate that authorities found a gun safe with shotgun shells and numerous boxes of bullets. In a bedroom closet, they found ear plugs, a handwritten note regarding ammunition and magazines, paperwork on guns and a metal bayonet.

In a top drawer of a filing cabinet, they found paper targets. In a duffel bag, they found ear and eye protection, binoculars, numerous other paper targets and Lanza's NRA certificate.

Authorities found numerous knives, including samurai swords. They found a military-style uniform in Lanza's bedroom and handwritten notes containing the addresses of local gun shops.

Lanza never had a NRA certificate. NRA has said lanza nor his mother are on any of their logs. NBC is misreporting thing yet again.

Well, that settles that. The NRA said neither he or his mother had an NRA certificate so it must be true.

Yet you blindly believe NBC despite their many documented incidents or misreporting and selective editing?

The early news yesterday reporting he had 1600 rounds of ammunition.

Last night, I was in the gun safe and saw three 500 round boxes of .22

Murderdeathkill!

You cons really need to end your obsession with NBC. The story was an AP story.

(03-28-2013 05:26 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  I fail to see the point of that article.

The point of the article is that he had an NRA certificate.

The point was to demonize the NRA and anyone who is a member of the NRA, and by extension anyone who believes in the second amendment.

(03-29-2013 08:20 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You cons really need to end your obsession with NBC. The story was an AP story.

WTF difference does that make?

It's true or false. That's what matters. The rest is details.

(03-29-2013 08:25 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 08:20 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You cons really need to end your obsession with NBC. The story was an AP story.

WTF difference does that make?

It's true or false. That's what matters. The rest is details.

It matters not. That's why there is no need to bring up NBC. Got it?

(03-29-2013 08:20 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You cons really need to end your obsession with NBC. The story was an AP story.

Quote:By Michael Isikoff, Tom Winter and Erin McClam, NBC News
Adam Lanza left a home stuffed with weaponry and carried out the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in a 154-bullet barrage that took less than five minutes, investigators said Thursday in the first detailed account of his surroundings and troubled state of mind.
Search warrants from the second-worst school shooting in American history revealed that the home Lanza shared with his mother in Newtown, Conn., was a veritable arsenal: Authorities found at least nine knives, three Samurai swords, two rifles, 1,600 rounds of ammunition and a 7-foot, wood-handled pole with a blade on one side and a spear on the other.
Authorities also recovered a certificate in Lanza’s name from the National Rifle Association, seven of his journals, drawings that he made and books from the house, including books on living with mental illness.
http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/201...nutes?lite

A different article, but the NBC writers put their name to it. Either they didn't check the facts for themselves (incompetence) or just don't care as long as the narrative supports their political position.

Any NRA certificate they had was not a membership certificate according to the NRA. More than likely it was a gun training or saftey course completion certificate issued by a third party that had been NRA certified. The certificate wouldn't have been from the NRA, but hey, as long as the press can put NRA and Lanza together they're happy.

And the AP story...also with the writers names at the bottom of the link in my original post...contained pretty much the same damned thing. So again, you're obsessed with making this just about NBC.

Not to mention you're overselling this angle of the story. I could care less if this guy was an NRA member or ever took a training course with them or one of their affiliates.

(03-29-2013 09:23 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Not to mention you're overselling this angle of the story.

Who's overselling? You posted the link to the non-story.

(03-29-2013 08:22 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(03-28-2013 05:26 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  I fail to see the point of that article.

The point of the article is that he had an NRA certificate.

The point was to demonize the NRA and anyone who is a member of the NRA, and by extension anyone who believes in the second amendment.

Oh, I'm well aware of that angle. The old "guilt by association" gambit. Pretty weak and pathetic effort. But Tom fell for it and was all, "WOW!"

Anybody else wonder why polls show that the gun control debate is losing steam and the support of the citizens? It is that emotionalism is not a good place to start when enacting public policy. The more time between the massacre and now, the more time people have to observe and think as to whether or not these proposals will do ANYTHING to stop another mass shooting. Rather than deal with and debate the facts, the gun grabbers want emotion to rule the day.

(03-29-2013 01:48 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Rather than deal with and debate the facts, the gun grabbers want emotion to rule the day.

All salesmen do